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Generally speaking "obsolete" means that there is no major industry known to have the support structure needed to maintain the equipment in question of any kind.  this is why it is so hard to make any battlemechs "Obsolete" because the Star Leauge standarized manufacturing to such a stupid level that individual actuators could be swapped between mechs (also the reason non standard parts exists as a quirk)

to give an example, the primitive Banshee does not have an obslete quirk attached to it.  the logic is that the Banshee as a meta unit is still manufactured, and the primitive model should be easy to upgrade if need be (and was as the infamous 3000 banshees from 3025 turned out to be the initial SLDF order of 1Es that were upgraded to 3Es)

a similar concept with the Battleaxe, which was put back into full production, albeit a different model.  that means that the base industrial support is there to maintain the 1X if needed.

Finally you have to remember that in the Jihad, a LOT of primitive mechs were put back into full production of some kind, meaning that despite the obsolete quirk there was support for the machines from 3070ish, on forward.  Obsolete would reapply around 3080 if you are playing more primitive mechs in the modern period.

Generally speaking "obsolete" means that there is no major industry known to have the support structure needed to maintain the equipment in question of any kind.  this is why it is so hard to make any battlemechs "Obsolete" because the Star Leauge standarized manufacturing to such a stupid level that individual actuators could be swapped between mechs (also the reason non standard parts exists as a quirk)

to give an example, the primitive Banshee does not have an obslete quirk attached to it.  the logic is that the Banshee as a meta unit is still manufactured, and the primitive model should be easy to upgrade if need be (and was as the infamous 3000 banshees from 3025 turned out to be the initial SLDF order of 1Es that were upgraded to 3Es)

a similar concept with the Battleaxe, which was put back into full production, albeit a different model.  that means that the base industrial support is there to maintain the 1X if needed.

Which makes sense and not.
It doesn't make sense since they are Primitive 'Mechs and it would take forever (from my point of view) to retrofit them in the proper factories and cost perhaps a lot of money, which could be given to buy directly new units.
It does make sense since "standardisation" was part of the game among the same class.

I really thought that all Primitive 'Mechs became obsolete but I was wrong.
And the Hegemony built the Banshee not the SLDF.

the 3E upgrades were for the SLDF though.

Not sure as it became the standard for the HAF.and the dates don't fit (2475 for the BCN-3E and the Star League was formed in 2570).

Quote from: JPArbiter on June 22, 2014, 10:38:41 PM

the 3E upgrades were for the SLDF though.

Not sure as it became the standard for the HAF.and the dates don't fit (2475 for the BCN-3E and the Star League was formed in 2570).

if I am mistaken, I am mistaken.

XTRO Primitives II implies otherwise, that a large batch of 1Es were converted to 3E models in addition to a whole new line devoted to 3Es themselves

XTRO Primitives II implies otherwise, that a large batch of 1Es were converted to 3E models in addition to a whole new line devoted to 3Es themselves

Hmm. Re-reading it, you're correct. Sounds like they had to swap out the armor, cockpit and engine. I guess that's possible then. Considering what they got, it's probably not worth the cost, though. lol

Quote from: TigerShark on June 24, 2014, 06:20:13 PM

Hmm. Re-reading it, you're correct. Sounds like they had to swap out the armor, cockpit and engine. I guess that's possible then. Considering what they got, it's probably not worth the cost, though. lol

Too rich for their own good?

Well, you pay for the chassis, then pay for the new engine, armor plating and cockpit. Then pay for the labor. You basically bought 1.8 of the same 'Mech. And in the end, it's a Banshee...

If this trade-off were for a WHM-6Rb, OWR-2Mb, PXH-1b and so on, I'd say it's worth their time. But they're not getting any better performance out of the unit. It's like buying a 1972 Dodge Charger for $26,000, then spending $6,000 to swap the engine and brake system from a 3500 (454). Great. You just paid 1.2 times the cost of a brand new Charger and spent a ton of effort doing it...

In the end, you could have a few Lances worth of top-quality vehicles for the cost of the BNC-1E and upgraded parts.