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Optimizing the Centurion
« on: July 19, 2020, 10:21:54 PM »

Our twenty third optimization contest turns to a House Davion favorite which will be the first in the fifty-ton weight class. Originally designed as the Trebuchet’s partner in crime during the last days of the Star League the Centurion went its own way and became a staple for the AFFS. Starting as the CN9-A two other Succession War era variants were developed featuring an AC/20 (the CN9-AH introduced in 2874) and a Large Laser (the CN9-AL introduced in 2915). I must admit to some negative feelings about these blow up machines featured in the BattleTech cartoon during the Clan Invasion but over the years this ‘Mech has grown on me. This is probably cause of the two Yen Lo Wangs and numerous examples of this BattleMech coming in handy during our home campaigns. We already have two lostech variants (the CN9-D introduced in 3049 and the CN9-D3 which features a Triple Strength Myomer introduced in 3053) but can you do better? Can’t wait to see how you think the Centurion fits into the Salient Horizon setting in its most perfect form.

’Mech of the Week: CN*-** Centurion
https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,55037.0.html

BattleTechwiki Page for the Centurion
https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Centurion

Design Criteria
Design: Centurion Medium BattleMech
Era: 3052, just following the Truce of Tukayyid
Tech: InnerSphere Level 2
Mass: 50 tons

Tech Base
The tech base for this enterprise will be InnerSphere Level 2, also known as Star League lostech, circa 3053. Remember some Level 1 standards which Bradshaw and myself think still have value like Large Lasers and PPCs which feature the same damage factor as their higher tech brethren with less range and perhaps most significantly less heat. Here is a list for your design reference. Let me know if there is anything I missed!

Star League LosTech
Anti-Missile System
Arrow IV Artillery Missile System
Extended Range Large Laser (ER Large Laser)
Extended Range Particle Projection Cannon (ER PPC)
Gauss Rifle
Ultra Autocannon/5
LB 10-X Autocannon
One-Shot Missile Packs
Pulse Lasers (Small, Medium, & Large)
Streak SRM-2
Swarm LRMs
Thunder LRMs
Artemis IV FCS
Beagle Active Probe
Guardian ECM Suite
Myomer Accelerator Signal Circuitry (MASC)
Narc Missile Beacon
TAG
Cellular Ammunition Storage Equipment (CASE)
Double Heat Sinks
Endo Steel Internal Structure
Ferro-Fibrous Armor
Extra Light (XL) Engine

InnerSphere Low Tech
Blazer Cannon (or Binary Laser)
Recon Camera
Remote Sensor Dispenser

New Innovations
Triple Strength Myomer
Hatchet
C3 Computer

Design Traits of this Setting
Both the Federated Commonwealth and ComStar seem to have gone in the other direction with LRM batteries preferring larger LRM-15s and 20s linked to Artemis IV FCS to enhance accuracy. Facing the technologically superior Clan invaders have caused them to spend vast sums of resources on the finest technology available usually translating into high priced BattleMechs that few other factions can afford.
This is somewhat true for the Draconis Combine which has lost a significant portion of their industrial capacity to the Clans. This has been forced Kurita designers to innovate in new and different ways regardless of traditional warrior ethos which pervades the realm. Many Draconis optimizations have included the C3 System which is accelerated from the canon setting which saw their deployment lag.
The Free Worlds League in particular have embraced massed LRM-5s over the larger batteries to provide closer mass equivalents to Clan LRMs. Thanks to a corresponding increase in NARC units these ‘fire teams’ have become quite effective in the Marik Civil War. Also, the Blazer has made an appearance in the shattered FWLM searching for an advantage over their former brethren.
The Capellan Confederation typically fields cost effective designs at this time thanks to their resource strapped situation. While justifications for high end increases can be made like the Outreach Conference, Wrath of Blake technical aid, spoils of war from Isis forces, and good old Capellan espionage these should be minimized. My advice would be Periphery plus for these designs as the Confederation is under strain supporting Isis right now as it is. Growing stealth tech reflected in the Raven would be appropriate in many cases as sophisticated electronic lostech devices like the Guardian ECM Suite would be a priority for their recon designs. There is also a fire support role which is a hallmark of Liao tactical doctrine. The discovery of Thunder LRMs to deploy minefields and use of Arrow IV Artillery on the Catapult are themes which could be amplified here.
Regional factions like the Draconis March and the Periphery have seen the introduction of some ‘simple’ lostech items like Double Heat Sinks, Ferro-Fibrous, Streak SRM-2s, and Pulse Lasers. Extra-Light (XL) Engines remain too expensive and have drawbacks which make their deployment unlikely here. Advanced orbital facilities needed for EndoSteel manufacturing also remain out of reach at this point. They are not beyond using PPCs and Large Lasers either which they view as more efficient than their ER successors.

The Centurion in Action: Today
Undoubtedly, you’ll find the Centurion in the service of the Federated Commonwealth at this moment in time. Featuring much more prominently in traditional Davion commands than anywhere else the Centurion has been a symbol of the AFFS might for centuries. The FedCom RCTs and their AFFC brethren use a mix of Steiner-Davion equipment which obviously includes the Centurion. No doubt seen in service alongside some Lyran favorites in these units this dynamic should make for some interesting pairings. However, many Steiner patriots may look down on this inferior Davion machine meaning traditional LCAF commands may feature the Centurion but at a less prodigious rate than AFFS and AFFC. Mercenaries, especially in some long-term Davion employees will also field the Centurion which is highly regarded among their for-hire community. The St Ives Compact with whom the Yen Lo Wang currently remains in service with will also field their share of Centurions.
The Clans will likely remain the Centurions chief adversary even after the Truce of Tukayyid. Likely all lostech models will be pushed into service along the former Tamar March where they will participate in raids, assaults, and defense of FedCom worlds. Raiders from neighboring states (Draconis, Capellan, and Taurian) and Pirates will make up the rest of the Centurion’s opposition. However, these will likely be lower tech opponents for older models to deal with which could be helped by more sensible upgrades.
I make no secret about the fact that the Marian Hegemony desiring this BattleMech but the nation would not realistically have the means to produce one even in the far future. However, a low-tech variant sold to them as a refit package would be an idea as a market would no doubt exist.

Please do your research (think Objective Raids) for available components as this will be another factor in rapid production. I love fluff and your winning designs will be featured in my BattleTech Salient Horizon alternate setting. I'd like to go beyond the refits bought to you by Technical Readout 3050 and delve into extensive redesigns of your BattleTech favorites. Sharpen up your favorite war machines perhaps drawing on past or current variants while remembering the spirit or role of these Mechs. Don't forget to justify the expense of your project and multiple winners are possible. Figure that all entries have to be completed and posted on these forums by Friday July 31st, 2020 by 11:59 PM which should give you all a full two weeks for this contest, good luck!!
« Last Edit: July 19, 2020, 10:23:52 PM by Takiro »
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Re: Optimizing the Centurion
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2020, 11:49:38 PM »

The Lexington Combat Group (LCG) is one the largest 'mercenary' commands in existence and have been under the employ of the Federated Suns for the past two centuries. In this time they have purchased a significant number of the Centurion battlemechs. And it is this fact in mind that Major General Malcolm Feinman consulted with Lieutenant Colonel Margrethe Kempner, commander of the LCG's Support Branch on what could be done to improve their combined fleet of over sixty Centurions. Kempner and her team of engineers made up from the LCG's three subordinate support battalions worked diligently for the next 50 days and came up with two designs that share all of the same components with the exception of their weapons configurations. They both use the same 250XL found in the newest version of the Enforcer and have the same 8.5 ton of ferro-fibrous armor. They also share one shared medium laser and a Guardian ECM suite. There are two versions. One is designed for prolonged long-range combat, while the other is optimized for short range combat.

The first variant steps away from the traditional use of an auto-cannon and replaces the AC/10 with an ER PPC. This reduces this Centurion's dependence on ammunition and increases the range of the Mech's main weapon. The LRM10 launcher has been replaced by an Artemis IV-equipped LRM15 fed by a three ton ammunition bay. While excelling at long-range combat, this variant is lacking at short range with only a standard medium laser and a medium pulse laser as support to the main weapons.

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Centurion CN9-LCG1

Mass: 50 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E-D
Production Year: 3054
Dry Cost: 8,877,500 C-Bills
Total Cost: 9,057,500 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,400

Chassis: Unknown Standard
Power Plant: Unknown 250 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86.4 km/h
Jump Jets: None
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous w/ CASE
Armament:
    1  ER PPC
    1  LRM-15 w/ Artemis IV FCS
    1  Medium Laser
    1  Medium Pulse Laser
    1  Guardian ECM Suite
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                      83 points                5.00
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             250                       6.50
    Walking MP: 5
    Running MP: 8
    Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             11(22)                    1.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 1 RT
Gyro:               Standard                                               3.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA
Armor:              Ferro-Fibrous                AV - 152                  8.50
    Armor Locations: 1 HD, 1 LT, 3 RT, 3 LA, 2 RA, 2 LL, 2 RL
    CASE Locations: 1 LT                                                   0.50

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     16           21       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  8         
                                           L/R Torso     12           15       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  6         
                                             L/R Arm     8            15       
                                             L/R Leg     12           21       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
(R) Medium Pulse Laser                       CT        4         1         2.00
Medium Laser                                 CT        3         1         1.00
Guardian ECM Suite                           RT        0         2         1.50
LRM-15                                       LT        5         3         7.00
    Artemis IV FCS                           LT        -         1         1.00
ER PPC                                       RA        15        3         7.00
@LRM-15 (Artemis) (24)                       LT        -         3         3.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 10

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      5    Points: 14
5          3       3       3       0      2     0   Structure:  2
Special Abilities: ECM, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, IF 1

The second variant is the exact opposite of the first and excels at short-range combat. Based on the CN9-AH version of the Centurion and utilizes the Class 20 auto-cannon to deadly effect. It has a deeper ammunition bay than the CN9-AH with three tons of of AC/20 ammunition. Additional short range firepower is provided by and SRM4 launcher and the medium lasers from the original Centurion. Together these two variants make an excellent combat pair that can mutually support each other on the battlefield. It is the intent of the LCG's command staff to acquire these two Mechs in what amounts to a 60/40 split of the fleet. Additionally, it is hoped by Lt. Colonel's staff that the AFFS Procurement Office sees the value in these two designs and considers them both as future acquisitions for the combined commands of the Armed Forces of the Federated Commonwealth.

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Centurion CN9-LCG2

Mass: 50 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E-D
Production Year: 3054
Dry Cost: 8,512,250 C-Bills
Total Cost: 8,569,250 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,166

Chassis: Unknown Standard
Power Plant: Unknown 250 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86.4 km/h
Jump Jets: None
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous w/ CASE
Armament:
    1  Autocannon/20
    2  Medium Lasers
    1  SRM-4
    1  Guardian ECM Suite
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                      83 points                5.00
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             250                       6.50
    Walking MP: 5
    Running MP: 8
    Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             10(20)                    0.00
Gyro:               Standard                                               3.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA
Armor:              Ferro-Fibrous                AV - 152                  8.50
    Armor Locations: 1 HD, 3 LT, 3 RT, 3 LA, 2 LL, 2 RL
    CASE Locations: 1 RT                                                   0.50

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     16           21       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  8         
                                           L/R Torso     12           15       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  6         
                                             L/R Arm     8            15       
                                             L/R Leg     12           21       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
(R) Medium Laser                             CT        3         1         1.00
Medium Laser                                 CT        3         1         1.00
Guardian ECM Suite                           LT        0         2         1.50
SRM-4                                        LT        3         1         2.00
Autocannon/20                                RA        7         10       14.00
@AC/20 (15)                                  RT        -         3         3.00
@SRM-4 (25)                                  RT        -         1         1.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 9

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      5    Points: 12
5          4       4       0       0      2     0   Structure:  2
Special Abilities: ECM, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, AC 2/2/0

« Last Edit: July 20, 2020, 12:35:28 AM by Abele »
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Re: Optimizing the Centurion
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2020, 12:21:43 AM »

While having a much smaller army than its two largest neighbors, the Free Worlds League and the Magistracy of Canopus, the Marian Hegemony has the desire to update its legions. With less than a dozen Centurions in its forces, it is still one of the popular Mech in the legions. While built from piracy, the Hegemony is still wanting to be seen as a legitimate nation. With that in mind, the Hegemony went through legitimate sources to acquire the ferro-fibrous armor and the binary laser cannon that is being used in their upgrade package for their Centurions. The binary laser cannon replaces the auto-cannon and gives the Mech slightly increased striking while not sacrificing any range. Heat is an issue which is mitigated by the weight savings from the weapons and armor switches leading to the addition of six single heat sinks. Alpha striking would be very dangerous for the pilot, but sustained firing of the LRM10 and the binary laser cannon is possible, but not without complications. The rear firing medium laser has been moved to the front in a means to increase overall striking power.

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Centurion CN9-MH

Mass: 50 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E-D
Production Year: 3054
Dry Cost: 3,529,000 C-Bills
Total Cost: 3,559,000 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,074

Chassis: Corean Model K77 Standard
Power Plant: GM 200 Fusion Engine
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Jump Jets: None
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Kallon FWL Special Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
    1 CBD Model 2e Binary Laser Cannon
    1 Federated 10-Shot LRM-10
    2 Diverse Optics Type 2 Medium Lasers
Manufacturer: Marians Arms (Refit)
    Primary Factory: Alphard (MH)
Communications System: Corean TransBand-J9
Targeting and Tracking System: Corean B-Tech

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                      83 points                5.00
Engine:             Fusion Engine                200                       8.50
    Walking MP: 4
    Running MP: 6
    Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             16                        6.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT, 3 RT, 2 LL, 2 RL
Gyro:               Standard                                               2.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA
Armor:              Ferro-Fibrous                AV - 152                  8.50
    Armor Locations: 1 HD, 3 LT, 4 RT, 3 LA, 3 RA

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     16           22       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  9         
                                           L/R Torso     12           15       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  6         
                                             L/R Arm     8            14       
                                             L/R Leg     12           21       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Medium Laser                                 CT        3         1         1.00
(R) Medium Laser                             CT        3         1         1.00
LRM-10                                       LT        4         2         5.00
Binary Laser Cannon                          RA        16        4         9.00
@LRM-10 (12)                                 LT        -         1         1.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 17

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      5    Points: 11
4          2       2       1       0      2     1   Structure:  4
Special Abilities: SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, IF 1
« Last Edit: July 26, 2020, 05:43:21 PM by Abele »
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Re: Optimizing the Centurion
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2020, 05:56:30 AM »

Three good starts Abele!

I know I have a AC/20 variant of the Centurion somewhere. Probably for the AC/20 contest we did.

Yup the Invictus....

https://www.ourbattletech.com/forum/index.php?topic=3536.msg44191#msg44191
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Re: Optimizing the Centurion
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2020, 08:07:42 AM »

Originally introduced in 2801, the Centurion was designed to be an operating partner for the Trebuchet, providing close in defense with its massive autocannon.  Produced at Corean Enterprises factory on Ramen II, the design was found in numerous FWL lances.  It is also found in large numbers in the AFFC, so much so that the mech is considered an unofficial mech of House Davion.  While most of the records were lost when the Ramen II plant was destroyed in 2845, it appears that the majority of the production runs were sent to the Federated Suns.  These shipments, conducted in secrecy, were in violation of FWL trade laws.  This has resulted in the suggestion that the Ramen II plant was not destroyed by the Capellans, as is claimed in the history books, but rather by the FWLM when the deception was discovered.  Regardless, following the destruction of the plant, Corean Enterprises relocated their corporate headquarters to New Avalon, where the Corean family received a title of nobility from the Davions.  For the next 150 years, the company continued to turn out spare parts for the Centurion until they finally constructed a new manufacturing line at their New Avalon plant in 3012. 

While the mech proved popular with the Federated Suns, it balky autocannon was its Achilles Heel.  For much of the Succession Wars, Corean attempted to fix the problem but found the solutions were worse then the original.  Only 2 variants ever saw significant deployment, the CN9-AH with it's massive Luxor DDX-5 Autocannon and the laser equipped CN9-AL.   It was the reintroduction of advanced technologies in the 3040s that finally allowed Corean to fix the problems of the Centurion. 

The initial model made significant changes to the mech, incorporating an XL engine to greatly increase the speed, while also replacing the old problematic Luxor autocannon with the Mydron Excel LB-10X, which due to its compact size could fit easily in the space available.  While much improved, complaints started coming back from the field.  One set of complaints centered around the weapons.  With the increased speed, the mech was seen as an excellent raider.  However the ammo dependent weapons meant the mech could not operate away from its base for extended periods of time.  The other complaint came from mechwarriors who saw the mech as a trooper type mech.  While they did not complain about the increased speed, they were upset by the use of an XL engine which made the mech susceptibility to engine damage, reducing its durability. 

Realizing that there was no one solution to the complaints, Count Corean ordered his engineers to develop 2 new models, one as a raider and the other as a standard trooper battlemech.  The CN9-DR is designed to be used as a raider.  Retaining the XL engine, the mech models its weapon configuration after the CN9-AL version.  The autocannon is replaced with a Blazefire Sweetshot ER Large Laser.  This provides the mech with a hard hitting weapon that does depend on ammo.  The 10 tube LRM launcher is upgraded to a 15 tube model, providing more firepower at long range. To ensure that the mech has an adequate supply of ammo for long duration missions, the launcher is generously supplied with 3 tons of ammo.  Other changes to the weapons include the addition of a third medium laser and a small pulse laser.

All of these energy weapons generate a significant amount of heat, to deal with the increased heat output the mech switched to the use of Double Strength heatsinks.  Other changes include a Guardian ECM to increase the stealthiness of the mech and an additional 1.5 tons of armor, providing more protection for the vulnerable engine.

The other model, the CN9-DT is designed as basic trooper mech for medium companies.  The GM 300XL engine has been replaced by the original Nissan 200 engine, greatly lowering the speed.  The weapons array is unchanged from the CN9-D, however the engineers were able to redesign the armor protection providing the mech with 10.5 tons of armor. 

The more advanced CN9-DR has entered production at Corean's plant on New Avalon, while the lower tech CN9-DT has been licensed to Jalestar for the factory on Panpour.

Model CN9-DR
Mass: 50 tons
Chassis: Corean Model KL77 Endo Steel
Power Plant: General Motors 300 Extra Light
Cruising Speed: 64.8 kph
Maximum Speed: 90.7 kph
Jump Jets:  None
Jump Capacity: 0
Armor: StarGuard III with CASE
Armament:
   1 Blazefire Sweetshot ER Large Laser
   1 Exostar LRM 15
   3 Photech 806C Medium Lasers
   1 Exostar Small Pulse Laser
Primary Factories: Corean Enterprises (New Avalon)
Communications System: Corean Transbanc-J9 with Guardian ECM
Targeting and Tracking System:Corean B-Tech with Artemis IV System

Type: CN9-DR
Technology Base: Inner Sphere
Tonnage:    50 tons

Equipment:                 Mass
Internal Structure            2.5
Engine      300XL      9.5         
   Walking MP:   6
   Running MP:  9
   Jumping MP:  0
Heatsinks       10 (20)         
Gyro                  3
Cockpit               3
Armor Factor   160         10   
         IS      Armor
Head         3      9   
CT         16      24/5
R/L Torso      12      20/4
R/L Arm      8      15
R/L Leg      12      22

Weapons & Ammo   Location   Critical   Tonnage
ER Large Laser      RA      2      5
CASE          RT      1      0.5
Ammo (24)      RT      3      3
Guardian ECM       RT      2      1.5
LRM 15         LT      3      7
Artemis IV      LT      1      1
Medium Laser       LA      1      1
Medium Laser      CT      1      1
Medium Laser      CT(R)   1      1
Small Pulse Laser    H      1      1


Model CN9-DT
Mass: 50 tons
Chassis: Corean Model KL77 Endo Steel
Power Plant: GM 200
Cruising Speed: 43.2 kph
Maximum Speed: 64..8 kph
Jump Jets:  None
Jump Capacity: 0
Armor: StarGuard III with CASE
Armament:
   1 Mydron Excel LB-10X
   1 Luxor 3R LRM-10
   2 Photech 806C Medium Lasers
Primary Factories: Jalestar Aerospace (Panpour)
Communications System: Corean Transbanc-J9
Targeting and Tracking System:Corean B-Tech with Artemis IV System

Type: CN9-DT
Technology Base: Inner Sphere
Tonnage:    50 tons

Equipment:                 Mass
Internal Structure            2.5
Engine      200         8.5         
   Walking MP:   4
   Running MP:  6
   Jumping MP:  0
Heatsinks       10          
Gyro                  2
Cockpit               3
Armor Factor   160         10.5   
         IS      Armor
Head         3      9   
CT         16      26/5
R/L Torso      12      20/4
R/L Arm      8      16
R/L Leg      12      24

Weapons & Ammo   Location   Critical   Tonnage
LB-10X         RA      6      11
Ammo (20)      RT      2      2
CASE          RT      1      0.5
Ammo (24)      RT      2      2
LRM 10         LT      2      5
Artemis IV      LT      1      1
Medium Laser      CT      1      1
Medium Laser      CT(R)   1      1
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Re: Optimizing the Centurion
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2020, 08:27:58 AM »


The CN9-DZ was designed in response to feedback received by Corean Enterprises from mechwarriors following the introduction of the CN9-DR and CN9-DT.  While the feedback on modifications was generally positive, a few mechwarriors suggested that the CN9-DT could be further improved by mounting an ER Large Laser in place of the autocannon.  While at first Corean resisted developing another new model of the Centurion, the AFFC agreed to fund the R&D project, which resulted in the CN9-DZ.  Starting with the basic CN9-DT chassis, the designers removed the Mydron autocannon and replaced it with the Blazefire Sweetshot ER Large Laser.  The laser freed up significant amounts of tonnage for other improvements.  A third medium laser was added to the mech, similar to the CN9-DR.  The designers also upgraded the LRM launcher, replacing the old 10 tube model with a 20 tube launcher.  To compensate for the added heat build up of these weapons, 2 additional heatsinks have been added and the mech makes used of double strength models. 

The CN9-DZ has proven popular with some mechwarriors, while others prefer the autocannon of the CN9-DT.  As the two mechs share significant commonality, it has been decided to keep both in production since this not pose a significant burden on the AFFC's logistics system.




Model CN9-DT
Mass: 50 tons
Chassis: Corean Model KL77 Endo Steel
Power Plant: GM 200
Cruising Speed: 43.2 kph
Maximum Speed: 64..8 kph
Jump Jets:  None
Jump Capacity: 0
Armor: StarGuard III with CASE
Armament:
   1 Blazefire Sweetshot ER Large Laser
   1 Valiant Ballista LRM 20
   3 Photech 806C Medium Lasers
Primary Factories: Jalestar Aerospace (Panpour)
Communications System: Corean Transbanc-J9
Targeting and Tracking System:Corean B-Tech with Artemis IV System

Type: CN9-DT
Technology Base: Inner Sphere
Tonnage:    50 tons

Equipment:                 Mass
Internal Structure            2.5
Engine      200         8.5         
   Walking MP:   4
   Running MP:  6
   Jumping MP:  0
Heatsinks       12 (24)      2          
Gyro                  2
Cockpit               3
Armor Factor   160         10.5   
         IS      Armor
Head         3      9   
CT         16      26/5
R/L Torso      12      20/4
R/L Arm      8      16
R/L Leg      12      24

Weapons & Ammo   Location   Critical   Tonnage
ER Large Laser      RA      2      5
CASE          RT      1      0.5
Ammo (12)      RT      2      2
LRM 20         LT      5      10
Artemis IV      LT      1      1
Medium Laser       LA      1      1
Medium Laser      CT      1      1
Medium Laser      CT(R)   1      1

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Re: Optimizing the Centurion
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2020, 09:06:25 AM »

Three more solid entries Irose, very nice!
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Re: Optimizing the Centurion
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2020, 09:50:25 AM »

I also wanted to open up discussion on the the CN9-D which is featured in Technical Readout 3050. In my opinion it is one of the few examples of a solid lostech upgrade. Maybe it could be a little more optimized but it isn't horribly flawed. Curious to see what you guys think on that topic as well.
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Re: Optimizing the Centurion
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2020, 10:44:22 AM »

From the depths of the Solaris 'Mech pits to your backyard comes the new CN9 Urban Peacemaker. Have a grudge against someone and don't know what to do about it? How about a 4 ton piece of sharpened titanium-alloyed steel to get your message across. Updated with the latest in IFF technology the CN9U can target and identify all your enemies within secs on the chaotic and uncoordinated battlefield. Precision is in the name of the game, we don't want Mary Ellen from the local bakery to be shot in the crossfire. So the primary weaponry for our design is from the Sutel Precision Line out of Tancredi with the large Pulse Laser integrated into its top of the line targeting and tracking system. Whats that Bandit armored transports and infantry are on their way to poor Mary Ellen's bakery for a taste of her baked goods. Well with its twin Holly SRM 4 packs I think they are in for some humble pie as missiles rain down upon them and they might have to worry about their pie being extra crispy as most designs are equipped with a loadout of one ton of Inferno rounds to light up the town. And for those rare down times whats better than sitting around drinking a few with friends and BBQ's some local wildlife with the Hotshot flamer, guaranteed to roast its targets.

So come on down to Slocom Joes and pickup the newest in variants from the minds of Corean Enterprises.


Centurion CN9-U

Code: [Select]
Introduction Year: 3052
Cost: 4,755,500 C-bills
Battle Value: 1,111

Mass: 50 tons
Chassis: Endo Steel Biped
Power Plant: 250 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 54 kph
Maximum Speed: 86.4 kph
Jump Jets: None
     Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
     1 Large Pulse Laser
     2 SRM 4
     1 Flamer
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure            Endo Steel            2.5
Engine                        250 Fusion           12.5
Walking MP: 5
Running MP: 8
Jumping MP: 0
Double Heat Sink              10 [20]                 0
Gyro                                                  3
Cockpit                                               3
Armor Factor (Ferro)          161                     9

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Head                    3         9     
     Center Torso            16        23   
     Center Torso (rear)               7     
     R/L Torso               12        19   
     R/L Torso (rear)                  5     
     R/L Arm                 8         15   
     R/L Leg                 12        22   

Weapons              Location  Critical   Heat    Tonnage
Large Pulse Laser        RA        2        10      7.0   
2 SRM 4s                 LT        2        3       4.0   
Hatchet                  LA        4        -       4.0   
Flamer                   RA        1        3       1.0   
SRM 4 Ammo (25) Inferno  RT        1        -       1.0
SRM 4 Ammo (25)          RT        1        -       1.0
CASE                     RT        1        -       0.5   
Active Probe             CT        2        -       1.5   
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Re: Optimizing the Centurion
« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2020, 03:22:44 PM »

Nice whacky pitch Bradshaw!
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Re: Optimizing the Centurion
« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2020, 10:49:48 AM »

In a historical cooperative effort between the Federated Commonwealth and the Draconis Combine a new variant of the Centurion has arrived in the Inner Sphere.  Creating the Centurion into a medium range command 'Mech for both great houses. Integrating the Command equipment becoming prevalent in the DCMS with the high end electronics packages from the AFFC breathes new life in the historical design.

Centurion CN9-DK

Code: [Select]
Introduction Year: 3053
Cost: 11,943,500 C-bills
Battle Value: 1,333

Mass: 50 tons
Chassis: Endo Steel Biped
Power Plant: 250 XL
Cruising Speed: 54 kph
Maximum Speed: 86.4 kph
Jump Jets: None
     Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Standard
Armament:
     1 ER PPC
     3 Medium Laser
     1 Anti-Missile System
     1 C3 Computer [Master]
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure            Endo Steel            2.5
Engine                        250 XL                6.5
Walking MP: 5
Running MP: 8
Jumping MP: 0
Double Heat Sink              12 [24]                 2
Gyro                                                  3
Command Console                                       6
Armor Factor                  160                    10

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Head                    3         9     
     Center Torso            16        24   
     Center Torso (rear)               7     
     R/L Torso               12        18   
     R/L Torso (rear)                  5     
     R/L Arm                 8         15   
     R/L Leg                 12        22   

Weapons                        Location  Critical   Heat    Tonnage
ER PPC                             RA        3        15      7.0   
2 Medium Lasers                    LA        2        3       2.0   
Medium Laser                     CT(R)       1        3       1.0   
C3 Computer                        LT        5        0       5.0   
Active Probe                       LT        2        -       1.5   
ECM Suite                          LT        2        -       1.5   
Remote Sensors/Dispenser           CT        1        -       0.5   
Anti-Missile System                RT        1        1       0.5   
Anti-Missile System Ammo (12)      RT        1        -       1.0   
Double Heat Sink                   LA        3        -       1.0   
Double Heat Sink                   RA        3        -       1.0   

I'll fluff it out more later or if someone likes the general idea go and ahead and run with it
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Re: Optimizing the Centurion
« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2020, 01:39:10 PM »

In a desperate need for Mechs that could support Heavy and Assault lances and were cheaper than building more expensive Rifleman Mechs, Corean Enterprises was commissioned by the FWLM for just such a Mech. The result was this heavily modified Centurion that features a smaller callibre auto-cannon and a larger LRM launcher fitted with an Artemis IV FCS. Deadly accurate at longer ranges, this variant can effectively engage targets with impunity due to the modified Garrett D2j targeting system borrowed from the Rifleman. The Guardian ECM suite helps shield the Centurion, and it allies, from enemy Mech attacks while the TAG unit guides friendly Arrow IV missiles onto the enemy' Secondary weaponry is limited to a pair of Magna Mk II medium lasers and single Magna 400P medium pulse laser.

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Centurion CN10-M

Mass: 50 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E-D
Production Year: 3054
Dry Cost: 7,313,500 C-Bills
Total Cost: 7,494,500 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,139

Chassis: Unknown Corean Model KL77 Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown Nissan 200 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Jump Jets: None
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Star Guard III Standard Armor w/ CASE
Armament:
    1  LRM-20 w/ Artemis IV FCS
    2  Magna MK II Medium Lasers
    1  Imperator Smoothie-2Autocannon/2
    1  Magna 400P Medium Pulse Laser
    1  Garrett-Guardian Interface 2B Guardian ECM Suite
    1  Garrett Mole TAG
Manufacturer: Corean Enterprises
    Primary Factory: Stewart
Communications System: Croean TransBand J-9
Targeting and Tracking System: Garrett D2m

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Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Endo-Steel                    83 points                2.50
    Internal Locations: 3 LT, 2 RT, 2 LA, 3 RA, 2 LL, 2 RL
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             200                       4.50
    Walking MP: 4
    Running MP: 6
    Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             10(20)                    0.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 1 LA, 1 RA
Gyro:               Standard                                               2.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 160                 10.00
    CASE Locations: 1 RT                                                   0.50

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     16           22       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  9         
                                           L/R Torso     12           17       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  6         
                                             L/R Arm     8            15       
                                             L/R Leg     12           22       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
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TAG                                          HD        0         1         1.00
Medium Laser                                 CT        3         1         1.00
(R) Medium Pulse Laser                       CT        4         1         2.00
Guardian ECM Suite                           RT        0         2         1.50
LRM-20                                       LT        6         5        10.00
    Artemis IV FCS                           LT        -         1         1.00
Autocannon/2                                 RA        1         1         6.00
Medium Laser                                 LA        3         1         1.00
@AC/2 (45)                                   RT        -         1         1.00
@LRM-20 (Artemis) (18)                       RT        -         3         3.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 4

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      5    Points: 11
4          2       3       2       0      2     0   Structure:  2
Special Abilities: ECM, TAG, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, IF 2

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Re: Optimizing the Centurion
« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2020, 07:13:49 PM »

Interesting takes on the Centurion fellows.... keep them coming gang!
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Re: Optimizing the Centurion
« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2020, 09:13:57 PM »

The CN9-M Centurion is an upgrade that was introduced by Bowie Industries.  Unable to manufacture the mech, Bowie Industries saw an opportunity to introduce an upgrade for the Centurions operated by the AFFC in the Lyran state and mercenary units. The new design is based around the CN9-AL model that was popular in the old Commonwealth.  The CN9-AL removed the Autocannon in favor of an Large Laser, a Small Laser, 6 extra heatsinks and 2.5 tons of armor.  The new CN9-M makes changes to the mechs weapons and heat dissipation system, incorporating advanced technologies to improve the performance of the mech.

The Angst Large Laser carried in the right arm has been replaced with a Defiance 1001 ER PPC.  This places a significant heat burden on the mech.  To compensate for this, the heat sinks are replaced with double strength models.  This allowed the removal of 4 heatsinks, while still improving heat dissipation by 50%.

Using the weight savings from the heat dissipation system, the designers made changes to the mech's secondary system.  The LRM was upgraded with an Artemis IV system improving it's accuracy.  A third medium laser was added to the mech, although many techs have complained about the use of a Defiance B3M Medium Laser.  While a reliable and commonly available weapon, the techs complain that they now have 2 different types of medium lasers on the same mech, requiring more parts.  Lastly the old Angst Light Laser has been removed and replaced with a Maxell Small Pulse Laser, improving accuracy and making it more effective against infantry. 

Model CN9-M
Mass: 50 tons
Chassis: Corean Model K7
Power Plant: Nissan 200
Cruising Speed: 43.2 kph
Maximum Speed: 64..8 kph
Jump Jets:  None
Jump Capacity: 0
Armor: StarGuard III
Armament:
   1 Defiance 1001 ER PPC
   1 Luxor 3R LRM 10
   2 Photech 806C Medium Lasers
   1 Defiance B3M Medium Laser
   1 Maxell Small Pulse Laser
Primary Factories: Bowie Industries (Alarion) - Refit
Communications System: Corean Transbanc-J9
Targeting and Tracking System:Corean B-Tech with Artemis IV System

Type: CN9-M
Technology Base: Inner Sphere
Tonnage:    50 tons

Equipment:                 Mass
Internal Structure            5
Engine      200         8.5         
   Walking MP:   4
   Running MP:  6
   Jumping MP:  0
Heatsinks       12 (24)      2          
Gyro                  2
Cockpit               3
Armor Factor   168         10.5   
         IS      Armor
Head         3      9   
CT         16      26/5
R/L Torso      12      20/4
R/L Arm      8      16
R/L Leg      12      24

Weapons & Ammo   Location   Critical   Tonnage
ER PPC         RA      3      7
LRM 10         LT      2      5
Ammo (24)      LT      2      2
Artemis IV      LT      1      1
Medium Laser      LA      1      1
Small Pulse Laser   LA      1      1
Medium Laser      CT      1      1
Medium Laser      CT(R)   1      1
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Re: Optimizing the Centurion
« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2020, 05:34:22 AM »

Very nice Irose!
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