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Re: Optimizing the Cicada
« Reply #30 on: March 27, 2020, 07:40:49 PM »

Here is my premier Regular recon machine, hope you enjoy! Little more than 4 hours left!!!

CDA-3R CICADA

Mass: 40 tons
Chassis: Kell Reinforced 240 Endo Steel
Power Plant: Hermes 320 XL
Cruising Speed: 86 kph
Maximum Speed: 129 kph, 173 kph w/MASC
Jump Jets: None
Jump Capacity: None
Armor: Durallex Light Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
6 Magna Mk II Medium Lasers
Manufacturer: Gibson Federated Battlemechs
Primary Factory: Gibson
Communication System: Datacom 60 with Guardian ECM Suite
Targeting & Tracking System: Dynatec 1122 with Beagle Active Probe and TAG

Overview:
Efforts by the FWLM to modernize the Cicada with lostech began in 3049 when the CDA-3M was introduced. This harasser left most unsatisfied with its performance and in light of the Clan Invasion the CDA-3F introduced in 3052. While more of a mobile fighter than its predecessors many wanted to see the Cicada finally embrace its original role. Designers set out to create the InnerSphere’s premier recon BattleMech before the 3rd Marik Civil War changed everything. Regulan State Security (RSS) grabbed what it could as national unity quickly evaporated and despite the disintegration of Free Worlds Defense Industries was able to salvage enough to create the CDA-3R.

Capabilities:
   The new CDA-3R Cicada design specs called for a substantial amount of advanced lostech gear. With the CDA-3F serving as a basis much of the core components including the Kell Reinforced 240 Endo Steel, Hermes 320 XL Engine, and Durallex Light Ferro-Fibrous were already accounted for thankfully. Using seven and a half tons of this cutting-edge armor plating allowed this forty-ton Mech to achieve a ninety-seven percent maximum protection rating. The six Magna Mk II Medium Lasers were not as high tech but were readily available for this BattleMech. Fire could be directed rearward with two of these venerable energy weapons mounted in each arm as neither featured lower arm and hand actuators allowing them to flip back and forth. Ten Double Heat Sinks which were also easily obtainable allowed the design to achieve heat neutrality. Gibson Federated BattleMechs was also familiar with Myomer Accelerator Signal Circuitry (MASC) required in this ‘Mechs manufacturing because of its presence on the WVR-7M Wolverine. Only the electronics systems seemed beyond Regulan efforts to replicate in large numbers which is where Oriente came into the picture. Agreeing to supply the Datacom 60 with Guardian ECM Suite as well as the Dynatec 1122 with Beagle Active Probe and TAG allowed them access to this new Cicada’s production share. With a price tag of over nine million C-bills the new design would be pricey but well worth the investment to create a premier recon war machine.

Deployment:
   Regulan forces benefitted from this cutting edge Medium BattleMech the most during the 3rd Marik Civil War with the lion’s share going to their Hussars. Performing admirably in their service they have become a sought-after commodity for other Marik Provinces including Oriente which fields a more limited amount.

Type: CDA-3R Cicada
Technology Base: Inner Sphere - Level 2
Tonnage: 40

Equipment                        Mass
Internal Structure:         Endo Steel                 2
Engine:            320XL            11.5
Walking MP:         8
Running MP:         12 (16)
Jumping MP:         0
Heat Sinks:            10 (20)            0
Gyro:                           4
Cockpit:                        3
Armor Factor:            134            7.5

Internal Structure   Armor Value
Head            3         9
Center Torso         12         15 / 6
R/L Torso         10         15 / 5
R/L Arm         6         12
R/L Leg         10         20

Weapons and Ammo      Location      Critical   Tonnage
2 Medium Lasers      Right Arm      2      2
2 Medium Lasers      Left Arm      2      2
Medium Laser         Right Torso      1      1
Medium Laser         Left Torso      1      1
Guardian ECM      Right Torso      2      1.5
Beagle Active Probe      Left Torso      2      1.5
MASC            Center Torso      2      2
TAG            Head         1      1
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Re: Optimizing the Cicada
« Reply #31 on: March 27, 2020, 08:52:33 PM »

Finished my fluff and redid my Davion one, as I've done the twin large laser design a lot and felt it was too plain.
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Re: Optimizing the Cicada
« Reply #32 on: March 27, 2020, 10:33:57 PM »

Alrighty Bradshaw, thank you! Bout an hour and half to go folks - if you got last second entries fire away!
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Re: Optimizing the Cicada
« Reply #33 on: March 28, 2020, 01:35:19 AM »

I am afraid we've come to an end here folks. Please no more designs. The contest is over.
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Re: Optimizing the Cicada
« Reply #34 on: March 28, 2020, 06:33:39 AM »

Takiro, your Cicada is just waiting for ER mediums to be developed. When that happens it will be a beast.
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Re: Optimizing the Cicada
« Reply #35 on: March 28, 2020, 07:15:32 AM »

Not necessarily Abele, while the range of the weapon would increase so would its heat profile. From a perfectly balanced design it would go to something easily overheat (+12 on a running Alpha Strike). I could drop one for a C3 Slave though I suppose but when you start doing that then your losing firepower. I thought the concept was pretty good as is though.
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Re: Optimizing the Cicada
« Reply #36 on: April 03, 2020, 09:30:43 PM »

There were fifteen different variants (6 Abele, 3 Bradshaw, 1 Irose, 2 drakensis, 2 Ice Hellion, 1 Takiro) by six designers. Everyone of these designs were excellently done with not a single deficient model among them. Hard to say no to any of them for Salient Horizons and if you count our retro winner more than half of the designs made it. Perhaps a little much for the Big Bug but I think they all have their place. Well done folks!

RETRO WINNER

CDA-4M (Abele)
What the hell is a retro-winner? Well couple weeks ago I was looking for a Blazer armed Assassin and thanks to this 40-ton concept we have a nice model. The 280 XL Engine with jump jets (7/11/7) gives us the right movement profile while eleven Double Heat Sinks do a nice job cooling this machine. A Blazer and two Medium Lasers provide excellent firepower even if they can help overheat this forty weight Mech. Using the old standard internal structure along with six and a half tons of ferro-fibrous (116 factor) are excellent for a 40-ton Mech like the Assassin. So why not the Cicada? Well there is one other Blazer armed entry presented here that I felt is better for the Cicada leaving this one without a home. I know it isn’t Abele’s Blazer armed Assassin which was a little slower but this is what I thought was the perfect fit. Curveball strike, very nice Abele!

UNIQUE

13. CDA-3C Ezekiel (Abele)
This personalized version that begat Abele’s CDA-4P goes here for its single model nature. I liked this refit which utilized Hartford 300 internal structure as well as a 280 XL Engine and jump jets (7/11/7). This power plant from Johnston Industries locally produced Caesar is a nice fit and ably mounted all eleven Double Heat Sinks called for. Six and half tons of ferro-fibrous (116 factor) with CASE provide solid protection while an ER PPC, two Medium Lasers, and two Machine Guns (100) produce effective firepower against opponents. While it doesn’t qualify as a variant technically but a one of a kind custom BattleMech it gets placed here.

CONTENDERS

12. CDA-4D (Abele)
This reworked 3M model as a ‘Davion dakka’ version left me wondering many questions. It features many lostech innovations like EndoSteel, a 280 XL (7/11), ten Double Heat Sinks, a CASE, two Medium Pulses, and two Small Pulses but its main weapon remains the Autocannon/5 (40)? I understand the Suns favorite weapon is the AC but it doesn’t make a lot of sense to me to develop a whole new Cicada from the ground up featuring EndoSteel structure with an old weapon of limited usefulness. Seven and a half tons of armor (120 factor) do provide excellent protection which could certainly be accomplished but why? Seems like too much trouble for too limited a return for this Mech.

11. CDA-3CS (Abele)
I certainly believe that the ComGuards looking to rebuild from losses inflicted on Tukayyid would look to existing platforms in order to fill the gap. While an EndoSteel internal structure maybe in development for the Strider or for a Marik model I doubt ComStar would be able to obtain them. While downgrading the engine to a 280 XL and adding jump jets (7/11/7) does have its advantages not sure I like the idea of slowing the Cicada down. Still enough room to fit ten Double Heat Sinks in the engine though and 7.5 tons of armor (120 factor) with a CASE provides excellent protection. Two Medium Lasers, two Medium Pulses, Flamer, Anti-Missile System (12), Guardian ECM Suite, Beagle Active Probe, and TAG are ideal against InnerSphere opponents but Clan? The ComGuard would be focused on their Clan adversary and I am sorry to say I just don’t think this variant would make it.

NEAR MISSES

10. CDA-3D (Bradshaw)
This Marik vanguard featuring EndoSteel, 320 XL Engine (8/12/8), ten Double Heat Sinks, 6.5 tons of ferro-fibrous (116 factor) with CASE, two Medium Lasers, NARC Missile Beacon (12) and a Beagle Active Probe is line with many other advanced Cicadas presented herein. Not too shabby design wise and I liked the Salient Horizon inspired fluff but unfortunately for you there was one other design, carrying a NARC in particular, presented that I thought was better than this one. Sorry bud!

9. CDA-4CS (Abele)
The same reservations remain on this ComGuard Cicada which would use EndoSteel internal structure which I’d find difficult at best. I liked the ER Large, 2 Medium Lasers, and 2 Small Pulses a bit better here but it still isn’t a perfect anti-Clan arsenal. Slowing it down with 280 XL Engine and jump jets (7/11/7) makes more sense with longer range weaponry. The Guardian ECM Suite, Beagle Active Probe, and TAG are of course useful in fighting the invaders. Ten Double Heat Sinks do a nice at cooling its operations and 7.5 tons of armor (120 factor) offers good protection. Unfortunately, I just can’t get passed the high tech internal structural which could preclude production. A slightly redesigned refit featuring a standard chassis and ferro-fibrous perhaps could have made it.

8. CDA-4P (Abele)
I really liked this Cicada refit based on Abele’s CDA-3C Ezekiel which uses the old standard Hartford 300 chassis and a 280 XL (7/11/7) Engine from the Caesar. Fitting eleven Double Heat Sinks this BattleMech would use an ER PPC, Medium Pulse, and two Medium Lasers to destroy its opponents. Six and a half tons of ferro-fibrous (116 factor) armor make for solid protection from this Johnston Industries (New Syrtis) refurb. Nearly got a winner here Abele but one FedCom Cicada using a 280XL Engine narrowly beat you out.

WINNERS

7. CDA-3R (Takiro)
This cutting edge Regulan recon version developed during the 3rd Marik Civil War was long on my drawing board. While the Medium Laser boats I’ve been making of late are admittedly kind of boring this six-energy weapon Big Bug is just so perfect. With four mounted in the flippable arms it has great versatility to go with its speed (8/12) provided by the 320 XL Engine already present on the canon 3M. While some went with jump jets I preferred a MASC (16) for even greater bursts of speed. EndoSteel, 7.5 tons of ferro-fibrous (134 factor), and ten Double Heat Sinks also comes with the new canon 3F so would be readily available. The Guardian ECM Suite, Beagle Active Probe, and TAG make this design a superb scout relevant against the Clans, InnerSphere, or rival Province.

6. CDA-3E (Bradshaw)
This Marik infantry suppression variant featuring an EndoSteel structure and 320 XL with jump jets (8/12/8) is intriguing. As is the Large Pulse and two Medium Laser arsenal which when combined with the Cicada’s speed and mobility has definite advantages. Even a jumping Alpha Strike only produces a four overheat thanks to its ten Double Heat Sinks which is avoidable or manageable. Six and a half tons of ferro-fibrous (116 factor) provide solid protection plus fluff wise you hit upon the canon 3F model as well as the 3rd Marik Civil War going on. Very nice variant to the Gibson Cicadas.

5. CDA-4C (Irose)
This Magistracy of Canopus refit of the ‘Dung Beetle’ is certainly out of the box. Heavily armed (44 points of damage possible) and armored (full protection) but slow especially for a Medium (more like a mobile Heavy) it can overheat easily (+12 on a jumping Alpha Strike). I like the concept of using the standard Hartford 300 in conjunction with the 160 LTV (4/6/4) Engine from the Locust. Ten Double Heat Sinks is the only lostech innovation which enables the whole war machine which is armed exclusively with energy weapons to operate in the first place. A PPC, six Medium Lasers, and two Machine Guns (100) generate a bunch of heat so Mechwarriors have to carefully bracket fire. Like many of the other entries is arms flip which is a nice feature and along with 8.5 tons of armor (136 factor) this one is hard to kill.

4. CDA-3A (Bradshaw)
This ambitious Federated Commonwealth new build is in line with the Martial Accords which I outlined on OBT previously. Aimed at restoring the bygone industry of the old Hegemony this Cicada built where the first ones were manufactured utilizes EndoSteel, 280 XL (7/11/6) Engine and a MASC (14). Superfast and more maneuverable than its predecessor it is certainly an interesting idea for use against the Clans. Eleven Double Heat Sinks do their best to disperse the heat generated by an ER Large Laser and four Medium Lasers. This could overwhelm the system on a Jumping Alpha Strike (+8 overheat) but there are so many maneuvering options this should be avoidable/manageable. The Guardian ECM Suite is always a plus in disrupting enemy electronics and 7.5 tons of ferro-fibrous (134 factor) provides excellent protection. I could certainly see this model in the arsenal of the Federated Commonwealth, the ComStar, the Draconis Combine and mercenaries who fight the Clans. Well done!

3. CDA-3X & CDA-3Y (drakensis)
This tale of industrial espionage bought to you by drakensis is well told and I like the way he uses Free Worlds League corporations which produce the 320 XL (8/12) Engine to hone in on the Cicada. Using the old Hartford 300 chassis these new variants armed with two Large Lasers and Beagle Active Probe are superbly simple. Love the concept which features those big lasers mounted in barrel arms that flip. Ten Single Heat Sinks featured on the initial 3X were upgraded to Double Heat Sinks on the more refined 3Y. I wish the six tons of standard armor (96 factor) had been similarly upgraded to Ferro-Fibrous but still all in all good enough. Plus the three FWL manufacturers including Technicron Manufacturing (Savannah - Awesome), Irian BattleMechs Unlimited (Irian - Awesome), Corean Enterprises (Stewart - Goliath) you choose all fall into the Marik ‘sphere of influence.’ Working on multiple levels is what the good ones do after all, congratulations on the bronze!

2. CDA-3D (Ice Hellion)
One of the four highly advanced Gibson Cicadas which made it this force multiplier is intended to NARC opponents including the Clans. Using an EndoSteel frame and a 320 XL Engine (8/12) this Big Bug also uses a MASC (16) to achieve even higher bursts of speed. Ten Double Heat Sinks dissipate much of the weapon fire from the ER Large and Medium Laser. The Narc Missile Launcher (12) is well placed for the FWLM in Salient Horizons even though I might have swapped a ton of NARC ammo to another Medium Laser. Six and a half tons of ferro-fibrous (116 factor) offers excellent protection for the Cicada. Silver medal Ice!!

1. CDA-3E (Ice Hellion)
Much like his other entry the 3E this one uses EndoSteel, a 320 XL Engine (8/12), a MASC (16), ten Double Heat Sinks and 6.5 tons of ferro-fibrous (116 factor) to achieve superior all around performance. What I really liked was the big bite that this bug packed with a Blazer and two Medium Lasers which would certainly have its uses during the 3rd Marik Civil War or any other conflict. The fluff which so expertly eludes to the lack of weapon development during years of peace in the Free Worlds League was spot on and the finest offered during our little competition here. Congrats Ice on the win!!!
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Re: Optimizing the Cicada
« Reply #37 on: April 04, 2020, 01:47:57 AM »

My CDA-4D kept the standard AC due to the Ultra being prone to jamming if you double tap it and the future invention of specialty rounds (which should be extant as that type of tech is available in the early 21st (aka RL))
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Re: Optimizing the Cicada
« Reply #38 on: April 05, 2020, 04:25:47 PM »

even though I might have swapped a ton of NARC ammo to another Medium Laser.

I thought about getting this way too but then I looked at how much round a ton of ammo carried and found out only 6. Not enough for a "long" fight.

And thanks for the vote of confidence for my two designs.
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Re: Optimizing the Cicada
« Reply #39 on: April 05, 2020, 04:32:58 PM »

Ah, got ya Abele. I would have understood it more if it was an Ultra AC/5, LB 10-X AC, or AC/20 cause that would have been new or different for concepts. Heck even an AC/2 would have been different as a harasser.

Ice yours were the best two submissions in my opinion this time around. I do have a question for you guys though? Do you think the FWLM approach with NARC Beacons and smaller LRM launchers is worth it?
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