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Re: Optimizing the Dervish
« Reply #30 on: September 24, 2020, 06:04:39 PM »

You don’t get to be one of the oldest and most respected BattleMech manufacturers without making profit, and even in the war-torn Inner Sphere, this is true in every Successor or Periphery State.
In the Federated Suns, Achenar BattleMechs follows the same basic rule, only those which makes money survive.

Thus when its upgrade of the Dervish, the DV-7D, didn’t manage to sell as much exemplars as earlier (mostly because of the lack of interest of the Armed Forces of the Federated Commonwealth for this simple yet solid design), the marketing department knew they had to do something about it.

Looking at the potential buyers, they quickly discarded the Capellan Confederation, which was not facing the Clans and without any sign of “cold peace” with the Federated Commonwealth. They did the same with the Free Worlds League, which was mass producing their own designs. With the Periphery States lacking the funds to be a profitable market, this only left the traditional enemy of House Davion, House Kurita, which had suffered from the invasion of the Clans and was ready to rebuild its army.

Trying to optimise the production process, the idea of Achenar BattleMechs was to sold “simple” refits of their designs which would allow delayed differentiations and the use of the same lines to produce the Federated designs and the Kuritan ones with the Kuritan versions being finally equipped in a new subsidiary created only for this in the Draconis Combine.

However, this strategy failed when they tried to answer what they saw as the need for a real command ‘Mech, which made it necessary to make changes to the chassis of the DV-7D and prevented the use of a single production line for both designs. Luckily, since the DV-7D was lacking any real success, Achenar was able to change their production line for the new DV-7K lines, deciding to change their production strategy with 4 different new Dervish blending into a kind of C3 unit that could be sold to the Draconis Combine Mustered Soldiery.

It is to be noted that because of the delayed differentiations by a “factory” in the Draconis Combine with strict control, no Kuritan technology reached at that time the Federated Commonwealth.

Some traits are shared by all the members of the DV-7K family, like an improved armour over their predecessor, the DV-7D but the same mix of advanced tech (Endo-Steel, Ferro-Fibrous Armour, Double Heat Sinks with CASE when needed) and low tech (standard engine and normal Jump Jets). The engineers also took special care (including using false weapon ports) to make all DV-7K look like a regular DV-7D for battle computers.

The DV-7KS is the “soldier” of the family with a Narc Missile Beacon imported like other “new toys” via Kali Yama Weapons Industries Incorporated, a system that allows friendly units to use the signal to guide their missiles to a specific target. Two LongFire V LRM-5, common in the Draconis Combine, gives the Dervish some long range firepower while 4 Medium Lasers and a Medium Pulse one are there to make those trying to sneak at close range pay dearly for it. A C3 Slave Unit is in the head to allow it to serve as a part of a C3 Network. 9 tons of Ferro-Fibrous Armour gives it some protection when getting into range.

The DV-7KB is there to be part of the battle line. 4 LRM-5 combined with 2 Telos Four-Shot SRM-4 already battle tested in the Panther and 2 Medium Lasers gives it an improved punch over the other Dervishes while a C3 Slave Unit allows it to use the telemetry provided by the other members of its lance to greater effect.

The true wonders of this project are the two command units, the DV-7KM and the DV-7KCM. With one C3 Master, a Large Laser, 2 LRM-5, 2 Medium Lasers and 9.5 tons of Ferro-Fibrous Armour, the former is a dedicated Command ‘Mech able to defend itself from most attacks.
The DV-7KCM is clearly lacking in firepower with only 2 Medium Lasers and 2 LRM-5 but fighting is not its main point as the two C3 Master Computers stocked in the torsos allow it to coordinate a full Company of ‘Mechs, letting heavier ‘Mechs bring in their heavier firepower into the game, while the 10.5 tons of armour protect it

No one knows for sure how but the all family of DV-7K has been a sale success in the Draconis Combine, forming the bulk of cavalry support units in the rebuilt units that favours Theodore Kurita’s approach to warfare. The bulk of these ‘Mechs has been assigned to Alshain Avengers,  Pesht Regulars and other units getting ready to move against the Clans. It is expected that these designs will soon prove their mettle against the Clan Juggernaut, helping the Inner Sphere to defeat the beast.

Lessons in Marketing, NAIS College of Finance Editions, 3053

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Dervish DV-7KS

Mass: 55 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E-D
Production Year: 3052
Dry Cost: 5 837 817 C-Bills
Total Cost: 5 909 817 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1 474

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 275 Fusion Engine
Walking Speed: 54,0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86,4 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
    Jump Capacity: 150 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous w/ CASE
Armament:
    1  Medium Pulse Laser
    4  Medium Lasers
    2  LRM-5s
    1  Narc Launcher
    1  C3 Computer (Slave)
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel                    91 points                3,00
    Internal Locations: 1 CT, 6 LT, 7 RT
Engine:             Fusion Engine                275                      15,50
    Walking MP: 5
    Running MP: 8
    Jumping MP: 5 Standard
    Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 2 LL, 2 RL                                   2,50
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             10(20)                    0,00
Gyro:               Standard                                               3,00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3,00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA    R: SH+UA+LA
Armor:              Ferro-Fibrous                AV - 161                  9,00
    Armor Locations: 7 LA, 7 RA
    CASE Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT                                             1,00

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     18           24       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  6         
                                           L/R Torso     13           21       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  5         
                                             L/R Arm     9            15       
                                             L/R Leg     13           20       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
C3 Computer (Slave)                          HD        0         1         1,00
Narc Launcher                                RT        0         2         3,00
2 LRM-5s                                     LT        4         2         4,00
Medium Pulse Laser                           LT        4         1         2,00
2 Medium Lasers                              RA        6         2         2,00
2 Medium Lasers                              LA        6         2         2,00
@Narc (Homing) (12)                          RT        -         2         2,00
@LRM-5 (48)                                  LT        -         2         2,00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 0

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      5    Points: 15
5j         3       4       1       0      2     0   Structure:  5
Special Abilities: SNARC, C3S, CASE, MHQ1, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, IF 1

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Dervish DV-7KB

Mass: 55 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E-D
Production Year: 3052
Dry Cost: 5 744 817 C-Bills
Total Cost: 5 831 817 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1 479

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 275 Fusion Engine
Walking Speed: 54,0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86,4 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
    Jump Capacity: 150 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous w/ CASE
Armament:
    2  Medium Lasers
    4  LRM-5s
    2  SRM-4s
    1  C3 Computer (Slave)
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel                    91 points                3,00
    Internal Locations: 7 LT, 7 RT
Engine:             Fusion Engine                275                      15,50
    Walking MP: 5
    Running MP: 8
    Jumping MP: 5 Standard
    Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 2 LL, 2 RL                                   2,50
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             10(20)                    0,00
Gyro:               Standard                                               3,00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3,00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA    R: SH+UA+LA
Armor:              Ferro-Fibrous                AV - 161                  9,00
    Armor Locations: 7 LA, 7 RA
    CASE Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT                                             1,00

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     18           24       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  6         
                                           L/R Torso     13           21       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  5         
                                             L/R Arm     9            15       
                                             L/R Leg     13           20       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2 LRM-5s                                     RT        4         2         4,00
C3 Computer (Slave)                          RT        0         1         1,00
2 LRM-5s                                     LT        4         2         4,00
Medium Laser                                 RA        3         1         1,00
SRM-4                                        RA        3         1         2,00
Medium Laser                                 LA        3         1         1,00
SRM-4                                        LA        3         1         2,00
@LRM-5 (24)                                  RT        -         1         1,00
@LRM-5 (24)                                  LT        -         1         1,00
@SRM-4 (25)                                  LT        -         1         1,00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 2

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      5    Points: 15
5j         3       4       2       0      2     0   Structure:  5
Special Abilities: C3S, CASE, MHQ1, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, SRM 1/1/0, LRM 1/1/1, IF 1

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Dervish DV-7KM

Mass: 55 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E-D
Production Year: 3052
Dry Cost: 7 496 317 C-Bills
Total Cost: 7 556 317 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1 420

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 275 Fusion Engine
Walking Speed: 54,0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86,4 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
    Jump Capacity: 150 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous w/ CASE
Armament:
    1  Large Laser
    2  Medium Lasers
    2  LRM-5s
    1  C3 Computer (Master)
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel                    91 points                3,00
    Internal Locations: 7 LT, 7 RT
Engine:             Fusion Engine                275                      15,50
    Walking MP: 5
    Running MP: 8
    Jumping MP: 5 Standard
    Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 2 LL, 2 RL                                   2,50
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             10(20)                    0,00
Gyro:               Standard                                               3,00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3,00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA    R: SH+UA+LA
Armor:              Ferro-Fibrous                AV - 170                  9,50
    Armor Locations: 7 LA, 7 RA
    CASE Locations: 1 LT                                                   0,50

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     18           26       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  7         
                                           L/R Torso     13           19       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  7         
                                             L/R Arm     9            17       
                                             L/R Leg     13           21       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
C3 Computer (Master)                         RT        0         5         5,00
2 LRM-5s                                     LT        4         2         4,00
2 Medium Lasers                              RA        6         2         2,00
Large Laser                                  LA        8         2         5,00
@LRM-5 (48)                                  LT        -         2         2,00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 2

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      6    Points: 14
5j         3       3       1       0      2     0   Structure:  5
Special Abilities: C3M, TAG, CASE, MHQ5, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, IF 1

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Dervish DV-7KCM

Mass: 55 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E-D
Production Year: 3052
Dry Cost: 9 697 317 C-Bills
Total Cost: 9 727 317 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1 242

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 275 Fusion Engine
Walking Speed: 54,0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86,4 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
    Jump Capacity: 150 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous w/ CASE
Armament:
    2  Medium Lasers
    2  LRM-5s
    2  C3 Computer (Master)s
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel                    91 points                3,00
    Internal Locations: 1 HD, 1 CT, 4 LT, 6 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA
Engine:             Fusion Engine                275                      15,50
    Walking MP: 5
    Running MP: 8
    Jumping MP: 5 Standard
    Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 2 LL, 2 RL                                   2,50
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             10(20)                    0,00
Gyro:               Standard                                               3,00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3,00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA    R: SH+UA+LA
Armor:              Ferro-Fibrous                AV - 185                 10,50
    Armor Locations: 7 LA, 7 RA
    CASE Locations: 1 LT                                                   0,50

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     18           27       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  9         
                                           L/R Torso     13           20       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  6         
                                             L/R Arm     9            18       
                                             L/R Leg     13           26       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
C3 Computer (Master)                         RT        0         5         5,00
LRM-5                                        RT        2         1         2,00
LRM-5                                        LT        2         1         2,00
C3 Computer (Master)                         LT        0         5         5,00
Medium Laser                                 RA        3         1         1,00
Medium Laser                                 LA        3         1         1,00
@LRM-5 (24)                                  LT        -         1         1,00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 0

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      6    Points: 12
5j         2       2       1       0      2     0   Structure:  5
Special Abilities: C3M, TAG, CASE, MHQ10, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, IF 1
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"In turn they tested each Clan namesake
in trial against the Ice Hellion's mettle.
Each chased the Ice Hellion, hunting it down.
All failed to match the predator's speed and grace.
Khan Cage smiled and said, "And that is how we shall be."

The Remembrance (Clan Ice Hellion) Passage 5, Verse 3, Lines 1 - 5

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Re: Optimizing the Dervish
« Reply #31 on: September 24, 2020, 10:42:32 PM »

Nice Ice!
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« Reply #32 on: September 25, 2020, 05:31:36 AM »

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Re: Optimizing the Dervish
« Reply #33 on: September 25, 2020, 02:08:36 PM »

Just finished mine posted earlier in the challenge at the link below

https://www.ourbattletech.com/forum/index.php?topic=3949.msg50565#msg50565

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Re: Optimizing the Dervish
« Reply #34 on: September 25, 2020, 11:09:50 PM »

Never been a fan of the Dervish.  So, I'll let ya'll do this one without me!
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Re: Optimizing the Dervish
« Reply #35 on: September 26, 2020, 06:04:39 AM »

Ok, this contest is all over folks. Thanks for your participation!!
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Re: Optimizing the Dervish
« Reply #36 on: July 30, 2021, 09:00:24 PM »

Well, we had at least seventeen entries from eight designers for the Dervish but I really thought there could have been more. As Bradshaw quite correctly commented this BattleMech has been around for so long that all kinds of interesting variants could well exist. While we did get a wide swath of factions and concepts there were angles, I felt, that were not taken include a pure mercenary/militia loadout perhaps made or retrofitted at Galatea or a semi-modular missile boat exchanging LRM-5s for SRM-4s. I remember not having a bunch of time to even work on the single entry I did so them’s the brakes. When I was looking for optimized Dervishes for Salient Horizon I was searching for missile boats which kept to the form of the original. Unfortunately, because of equipment restraints of the time GiovanniBlasini withdrew leaving us with a sweet sixteen. Here are my rankings based on all qualified entries.

        PASSABLE
16. DV-7AA (Abele) Davion, anti-aircraft with AC/2 rather than LRMs
15. DV-7M (Abele) Davion Blazer with LRM-15
14. DV-7KS (Ice Hellion) Kurita, C3 Slave with NARC and LRM, worst of IH
13. DV-7KCM (Ice Hellion) Kurita, 2 C3 Masters
12. DV-7D (Abele) Davion, advanced entry
 
        CONTENDERS
11. DV-7D1 (Bradshaw) long range downgrade with LRM-15s, Medium Lasers, and a Flamer
10. DV-7X (Abele) ‘Whirling Dervish’ retractable blades and short range weaponry
9. DV-8D (Irose) upgrade of the lostech 7D (3050) LRM-10s Streak SRM-2s
8. DV-7KM (Ice Hellion) Kurita, C3 Master

       NEAR MISSES
7. DV-7SIC (Abele) St. Ives Compact, very nice, two LRM-15s
6. DV-7D2 (Bradshaw) ‘Whirling Dervish’ close range fighter with Streak SRMs, Hatchet, Medium Lasers

        WINNERS
5. DV-7M (Takiro) Tarmanid BattleMech
4. DV-7S (drakensis) Coventry NARC spotter, SRM-4s, militia model
3. DV-7A (David CGB) 8 LRM-5s spammer, FedCom model
2. DV-7KB (Ice Hellion) Kurita, 4 LRM-5s, 2 SRM-4s, C3 Slave, like the best of IH
1. DV-7L (drakensis) Capellan refit with two LRM-15s

A word about the near misses and the winners. I’d like to incorporate Abele’s St. Ives entry with drak’s winning entry if I could as I felt they were similar design wise. Both had good reasons for being but the fluff overall winner was drak whose concept of replacing the Catapult as the fire support Mech of the CCAF was the best IMO. Bradshaw your whirling dervish was very very close to making it and I’d love to see it fight on Solaris but I felt it would be a concept that may find resistance in the AFFC. The DV-7S was the one that beat you out as the short ranged AFFC concept and I feel that their Artemis over NARC equipment bias could have the Militias like Coventry field these spotters with small battery launchers like the DV-7A by David CGB. I felt we could also incorporate the semi-modular angle in my top comments to switch LRM-5 racks with SRM-4 racks on both FedCom models quickly. Ice two things on your second place finisher that I’d like to add is interest by the Arkab Legion in the Mech because of its name heritage and hatred from the Sandovals in the Draconis March because of the Achernar sale to the Combine. Good contest folks, thanks for participating!
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