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Takiro

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Optimizing the Panther
« on: January 26, 2020, 09:59:42 PM »

Contest number twelve features another Draconis favorite which often pairs with the Jenner. The Panther is the far slower, think heavy Mech but with some mobility, of the two with far more hitting power and range. Maybe the bigger sluggers are more my style as I have used this one before because I have used the Panther before and I generally like it. While I have my own version of this classic I'd love to see what you guys can come up with. Here we have several threads of inspiration to inspire you from include a return of the Mech of the Week Article from CBT as well as the BattleTechwiki page and our first bite at the apple right here on OBT thanks to Giovanni!!!

Mech of the Week Article on CBT: PNT-** Panther
https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,58282.0.html

BattleTechwiki Page for the Panther
https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Panther

Post Your Panthers!
https://www.ourbattletech.com/forum/index.php?topic=3373.0

Design Criteria
Design: Panther Light BattleMech
Era: 3052, just following the Truce of Tukayyid
Tech: InnerSphere Level 2
Mass: 35 tons

Tech Base
The tech base for this enterprise will be InnerSphere Level 2, also known as Star League lostech, circa 3053. Remember some Level 1 standards which Bradshaw and myself think still have value like Large Lasers and PPCs which feature the same damage factor as their higher tech brethren with less range and perhaps most significantly less heat. I've also become a fan of massed LRM-5s over the larger batteries (Free Worlds League in particular has gone in this direction) which could provide closer equivalents to Clan LRMs. Many Draconis optimizations have included the C3 System which is accelerated from the canon setting which saw their deployment lag. Here is a list for your design reference. Let me know if there is anything I missed!

Star League LosTech
Anti-Missile System
Arrow IV Artillery Missile System
Extended Range Large Laser (ER Large Laser)
Extended Range Particle Projection Cannon (ER PPC)
Gauss Rifle
Ultra Autocannon/5
LB 10-X Autocannon
One-Shot Missile Packs
Pulse Lasers (Small, Medium, & Large)
Streak SRM-2
Swarm LRMs
Thunder LRMs
Artemis IV FCS
Beagle Active Probe
Guardian ECM Suite
Myomer Accelerator Signal Circuitry (MASC)
Narc Missile Beacon
TAG
Cellular Ammunition Storage Equipment (CASE)
Double Heat Sinks
Endo Steel Internal Structure
Ferro-Fibrous Armor
Extra Light (XL) Engine

InnerSphere Low Tech
Blazer Cannon (or Binary Laser)
Recon Camera
Remote Sensor Dispenser

New Innovations
Triple Strength Myomer
Hatchet
C3 Computer

The Panther can most commonly be found in the service of House Kurita who is by far the greatest user of this Light BattleMech design. The Free Rasalhague Republic likely has the second most per capita thanks to their Draconis origins and since they took over both Panther factories following their secession. The Federated Commonwealth probably has the next most thanks to salvage taken over the years although I am not sure how many they would utilize. I really am not sure how many if any are employed by ComStar, the Free Worlds League, the Capellan Confederation, Mercenaries or the Periphery Powers. I suppose it would be available but on a far lower scale than the three primary users of the Panther.

Please do your research (think Objective Raids) for available components as this will be another factor in rapid production. I love fluff and your winning designs will be featured in my BattleTech Salient Horizon alternate setting. I'd like to go beyond the refits bought to you by Technical Readout 3050 and delve into extensive redesigns of your BattleTech favorites. Sharpen up your favorite war machines perhaps drawing on past or current variants while remembering the spirit or role of these Mechs. Don't forget to justify the expense of your project and multiple winners are possible. Figure that all entries have to be completed and posted on these forums by Friday February 7th, 2019 by 11:59 PM which should give you all a full two weeks for this contest, good luck!!
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Re: Optimizing the Panther
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2020, 10:02:12 PM »

Did this one a while back inspired by GiovanniBlasini’s Post Your Puma! thread, Black Panther, and Combat Manual House Kurita. Love to hear what you guys think about it and see if you can beat it!!

PNT-10ALAG GRAND PANTHER

Mass: 35 tons
Chassis: Alshain 560-Carrier EndoSteel
Power Plant: Hermes 210 XL
Cruising Speed: 64 kph
Maximum Speed: 97 kph
Jump Jets: None
   Jump Capacity: None
Armor: Maximillian 42
Armament:
2 Lord’s Light 2 Extended Range Particle Projector Cannons
Manufacturer: Alshain Weapons
Primary Factory: Tok Do
Communications System: Sipher CommCon SCU-4
Targeting and Tracking System: Cat’s Eyes 5 with C3 Slave

Overview:
The Amphigean Light Assault Group was one of the few DCMS contingents with an affinity for light BattleMechs. Throughout the Succession Wars they had utilized these fast units to deadly effect by darting around enemy formations and in packs descending on isolated targets. While extremely dangerous these ‘shock’ tactics proved most effective against some of the Dragon’s more cumbersome adversaries. In order to facilitate the Groups operations a modified Panther, the PNT-9ALAG, was designed for maximum speed which dropped the jump jets for a larger engine. Able to run at eighty-six kilometers per hour this variant was their preferred model in spite of the loss of jump mobility.
   Unfortunately, this unique design and the Amphigean’s hit and run tactics were not enough to stop the Clans whose fearsome Puma regularly outmatched them at every turn. Ultimately the Invaders destroyed both the 2nd and 5th Light Assault Groups on Avon and Krenice respectively. One member of the unit was confident he could get his Panther to match the performance of the high-tech intruders. Challa Udaku was an elite Mechwarrior of African descent with the 1st Amphigean who set out to conduct this upgrade on his personal ‘Mech. Naming it the Grand Panther in the same vein as the Grand Dragon both Draconis upgrades share the same primary weapon.

Capabilities:
   The key to the entire upgrade process was obtaining a 210 Extra Light Engine to power the new design. Thankfully Irian BattleMechs Unlimited in the Free Worlds League manufactured the Hermes 210 XL and was willing to export it the Combine. Originally made for the Capellan Confederation’s Raven this power plant increased the maximum speed of the Panther to ninety-seven kilometers per hour matching the Puma. To compensate for the larger engine a three-ton gyroscope had to be included in order to maintain proper design equilibrium. Of course, the rest of the Panther’s secondary weaponry also had to be dropped in order to make way for a second Extended Range Particle Projection Cannon. These two big guns are identical to the Puma’s primary arsenal and despite inferior to their hard-hitting Clan counterparts can equal their effective range. To compete with the ultra-advanced Targeting Computer and apply a new Kurita innovation Udaku convinced his superiors to allow him to mount a C3 Slave. While some traditionalists expressed doubts in this new equipment the C3 network feed into Amphigean Light Assault Group’s pack mentality.
Unfortunately, there were some design limitations which could not be overcome. Efforts to improve the Mech’s armor with Ferro-Fibrous were thwarted by a lack of internal space. Proving too bulky to fit on the existing chassis along with the rest of its weapons and equipment this concept had to be dropped ultimately. While one radical design proposal dropped the existing arms for weapon barrels which would have made such an armor upgrade possible it proved too costly. With a price tag nearly double the PNT-10K retaining the venerable Maximillian 42 armor which already provided excellent protection, eight-seven percent of maximum, became a no brainer. Also despite adding eleven Double Heat Sinks, which again matches its Clan adversary, firing both ER PPCs will cause overheating. So, like the Puma this InnerSphere design must also alternate between firing both of its primary weapons and firing one to mitigate a high heat curve.

Deployment:
The forced relocation of the Panther plant on Krenice to Tok Do and the high cost of this advanced model has so far limited its deployment. Only the 1st Amphigean Light Assault Group currently fields the Grand Panther and it is fast becoming a favorite. No doubt the design will spread to the 7th Amphigean Light Assault Group soon as that new regiment continues to form up in the Dieron Military District. The BattleMech has quickly proven its worth in repeated strikes against Clan held worlds targeting supply depots. Helping to capture or destroy impressive amounts of advanced equipment from the Invaders has stamped its place in the Light Assault Group. The exceptional performance of the Black Panther Lance, composed entirely of Grand Panthers, during these raids in particular earned public recognition from the Gunji-no-Kanrei. His praise bought with it requests from Genyosha and Ryuken for refit kits as well as additional production. Also, the Order of Five Pillars new military unit, the Sohei, has also expressed interest in obtaining the Grand Panther for its frequent operations against the Clans.

Type: Grand Panther
Technology Base: Inner Sphere - Level 2
Tonnage: 35

Equipment                        Mass
Internal Structure:         EndoSteel         2
Engine:            210 XL         4.5
Walking MP:         6
Running MP:         9
Jumping MP:         0            0
Heat Sinks:            11 (22)            1
Gyro:                           3
Cockpit:                         3
Armor Factor:            104            6.5

Internal Structure   Armor Value
Head            3         9
Center Torso         11         14 / 7
R/L Torso         8         10 / 5
R/L Arm         6         10
R/L Leg         8         12

Weapons and Ammo      Location      Critical   Tonnage
ER PPC         Right Arm      3      7
ER PPC         Left Arm      3      7
C3 Slave          Head         1      1
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Re: Optimizing the Panther
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2020, 03:49:10 AM »

Panther PNT-9T

Mass: 35 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Age of War/Star League
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/D-F-D-A
Production Year: 3035
Cost: 2,546,730 C-Bills
Battle Value: 805

Chassis: Alshain 56-Carrier Standard
Power Plant: Leenex 140 Fusion Engine
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Jump Jets: Lexington Lifters
    Jump Capacity: 120 meters
Armor: Durallex Light Ferro-Fibrous w/ CASE
Armament:
    1 Donal PPC
    1 Delta Dart LRM-5
Manufacturer: Vandenburg Mechanized Industries
    Primary Factory: New Vandenburg
Communications System: Sipher CommCon CSU-4
Targeting and Tracking System: Cat's Eyes 5

Overview:
Since the late 3030s, MIIO has tracked an increasing number of Panthers in use in the rimward periphery. Several theories for this have been followed up on, including the possibility that some SLDF stockpile had been uncovered, but the source was eventually traced to New Vandenberg.

This only raised the question as to how VMI had obtained schematics to build a design usually produced only in the Rasalhague region of the Draconis Combine. While proof would take time to obtain, the obvious answer was correct: the Draconis Combine had elected to share data on the Panther with the Taurian Concordat, reasoning that the paranoid Thomas Calderon would be only too eager to reinforce his forces on the Federated Suns border, forcing House Davion to move forces away from other locations, such as the Draconis March.


Capabilities:
The exact model of Panther built by VMI has shifted over time as different parts and technologies were available, but since 3040 it settled onto the PNT-9T, which sports Durallex Light ferro-fibrous armour developed for use with the Taurians' Maultier APC and a Delta Dart LRM launcher rather than SRMs. This is believed to be an attempt to mirror the Toro, the Taurian's first indigenous 'Mech, which combined a PPC with Delta Dart launchers

The Taurians find that this variant operates well as a sniper. They have fitted it with a Donal PPC, sharing production with their Warhammer lines. It seems that the DCMS was unwilling to share actual weapon designs, even after providing schematics for the chassis and electronics. The latter paid off for the Taurians, since as would later be found with the Charger it was quite suited for use with LRMs even though Tanadi hadn't really intended them for that weapon type.


Deployment:
The Taurians did repay their benefactors by providing a shipment of Panthers to the Combine shortly after the end of the War of 3039, but these aren't believed to be PNT-9T models. While almost all found on the Davion border, Protector Calderon did allow limited use in 'evaluation missions', which the Taurian military used as an excuse to hunt down pirates, something that they'd had little opportunity with. Two Panthers are unaccounted for after this evaluation and it's unclear if they were destroyed entirely, taken apart as part of the post-evaluation review or might have been salvaged by third parties.


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Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Standard                      58 points                3.50
Engine:             Fusion Engine                140                       5.00
    Walking MP: 4
    Running MP: 6
    Jumping MP: 4 Standard
    Jump Jet Locations: 2 LL, 2 RL                                         2.00
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             13                        3.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 1 HD, 1 CT, 2 LT, 4 RT
Gyro:               Standard                                               2.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA
Armor:              Ferro-Fibrous                AV - 107                  6.00
    Armor Locations: 4 LT, 3 RT, 4 LA, 3 RA
    CASE Locations: 1 LT                                                   0.50

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     11           15       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  7         
                                           L/R Torso     8            11       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  5         
                                             L/R Arm     6            10       
                                             L/R Leg     8            12       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
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LRM-5                                        CT        2         1         2.00
PPC                                          RA        10        3         7.00
@LRM-5 (24)                                  LT        -         1         1.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 16

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      4    Points: 8
4j         1       2       2       0      1     0   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA
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Re: Optimizing the Panther
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2020, 06:33:41 AM »

When news of the Clans arrived on Rasalhague, the Board of Directors at Gorton, Kingley and Thorpe acted quickly and put together a plan that would get as much production equipment off planet at all three Republic production facilities and to a location coreward of Rasalhague yet still within in the FRR. The planet chosen was Orestes. Their facility on Jarett was a left out of this plan as it was in the Combine and too far away to bring any hard assets to the Republic. A small number of key personnel from New Oslo and Satalice were able to make it as far as Al-Hillah before their JumpShip were dragooned in Kungsarme service. Roughly 25 percent of the production was able to get off Rasalhague before the Clans claimed that world. The most important assets that managed to make it to Al-Hillah were the design specs for the Panther, Phoenix Hawk and Archer Battlemechs being built at the Satalice facility. This and nearly two dozen Panther-9R chassis and engines and the necessary tool and dye works also made it to Al-Hillah before continuing on to Orestes.

Orestes, at the lacked the necessary orbital facilities to manufacture endo-steel frames, so all of the designs would have revert to using the heavier standard chassis. As a makeshift repair and refit was being built on an old airstrip. GKT engineers set about designing new configurations for the Panther. The first featured a binary laser and a Streak SRM-2 launcher. The Streak was readily available from sources in the Lyran Commonwealth. While the binary laser was developed in house from plans acquired in 3041 from a  team of treasure hunters working in the Free Worlds League.

The second new variant uses a standar 175 fusion engine acquired from sources in the Capellan. Once used for the Raven battlemech, they found new life in the Panther. after being refit with double heat sinks by the Capellan factory, two dozen of the powerplants were sent to the GKT facility on Orestes. Unable to acquire any ER PPCs due to there being a shortage due all of the new Mechs that needed, the GKT team settled on using the ER large laser matched with couple of pulse lasers and a Streak SRM-2 launcher.

Both Mechs take advantage of using ferro-fibrous with 9FR model having a half-ton more than the 9BL. The 9BL retains the use of single heat sinks as the refitting of double heat sinks was next to impossible at the makeshift Orestes facility.



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Panther PNT-9BL

Mass: 35 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E-E
Production Year: 3054
Dry Cost: 2,460,060 C-Bills
Total Cost: 2,514,060 C-Bills
Battle Value: 807

Chassis: Unknown Standard
Power Plant: Unknown 140 Fusion Engine
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
    Jump Capacity: 120 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
    1  Binary Laser Cannon
    1  Streak SRM-2
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Standard                      58 points                3.50
Engine:             Fusion Engine                140                       5.00
    Walking MP: 4
    Running MP: 6
    Jumping MP: 4 Standard
    Jump Jet Locations: 2 LL, 2 RL                                         2.00
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             12                        2.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 3 LT, 3 RT, 1 RA
Gyro:               Standard                                               2.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA+H
Armor:              Ferro-Fibrous                AV - 107                  6.00
    Armor Locations: 1 HD, 1 CT, 5 LT, 5 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     11           16       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  4         
                                           L/R Torso     8            13       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  3         
                                             L/R Arm     6            10       
                                             L/R Leg     8            13       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
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Streak SRM-2                                 CT        2         1         1.50
Binary Laser Cannon                          RA        16        4         9.00
@Streak SRM-2 (50)                           LT        -         1         1.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 16

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      4    Points: 8
4j         2       2       0       0      1     0   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA



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Panther PNT-9FR

Mass: 35 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-D-E
Production Year: 3054
Dry Cost: 2,847,060 C-Bills
Total Cost: 2,901,060 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,007

Chassis: Unknown Standard
Power Plant: Unknown 175 Fusion Engine
Walking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86.4 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
    Jump Capacity: 150 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
    1  ER Large Laser
    1  Medium Pulse Laser
    1  Streak SRM-2
    1  Small Pulse Laser
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Standard                      58 points                3.50
Engine:             Fusion Engine                175                       7.00
    Walking MP: 5
    Running MP: 8
    Jumping MP: 5 Standard
    Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 2 LL, 2 RL                                   2.50
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             10(20)                    0.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT, 2 RT
Gyro:               Standard                                               2.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA+H
Armor:              Ferro-Fibrous                AV - 116                  6.50
    Armor Locations: 1 HD, 4 LT, 3 RT, 3 LA, 3 RA

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     11           15       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  6         
                                           L/R Torso     8            12       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  4         
                                             L/R Arm     6            12       
                                             L/R Leg     8            15       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
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Streak SRM-2                                 CT        2         1         1.50
ER Large Laser                               RA        12        2         5.00
Small Pulse Laser                            RA        2         1         1.00
Medium Pulse Laser                           LA        4         1         2.00
@Streak SRM-2 (50)                           LT        -         1         1.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 13

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MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      4    Points: 10
5j         3       2       1       0      1     0   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA
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Re: Optimizing the Panther
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2020, 07:52:13 AM »

Very nice drakensis and Abele - three good variants to kick things off here!
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Re: Optimizing the Panther
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2020, 09:03:45 AM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj3DBcpfMNQ

I lost my saved file for the Panther work I had ready for this challenge.
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Re: Optimizing the Panther
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2020, 09:22:59 AM »

Will need to rewrite the fluff. Which I sort of remember but will need to rethink my thoughts

Panther PNT-10ALA

While the Amphigean Light Assault Groups have long modified their 9R Panthers for an additional speed boost with the larger 175 Engine at the expense of the mobility of the traditional jump jets found on the signature model. Increased confrontations with Clan forces have shown that the speed boosts provided with this switch doesn’t provide to the needs of today’s MechWarriors.

Reviewing the needs and wants of their troops ALAG have returned to the roots of the Panther design. Returning to the original Large Laser primary weaponry. With the need for additional tonnage to be found the traditional SRM-4 system has been dropped. Rationale given was that often the ‘Mech was far from supply lines and the addition of an additional Large Laser in its stead would be an improvement in the deisgn. Able to have the direct fire damage at medium ranges, their speed maintained at higher than the traditional and now reintegrating the Jump Jets, the ALAG Mechwarriors are excited to return to the battlefield in the reconfigured design. The only advanced technology added by the unit Double Heat Sinks for the increased heat from the all energy loadout and the new Jump Jets. An additional half ton of armor has also been added.


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Mass: 35 tons
Chassis: Standard Biped
Power Plant: 175 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 54 kph
Maximum Speed: 86.4 kph
Jump Jets: Standard
     Jump Capacity: 150 meters
Armor: Standard
Armament:
     2 Large Laser

Cost: 2,649,960 C-bills
Battle Value: 998

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                  3.5
Engine                        175 Fusion              7
Walking MP: 5
Running MP: 8
Jumping MP: 5
Double Heat Sink              10 [20]                 0
Gyro                                                  2
Cockpit                                               3
Armor Factor                  112                     7

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Head                    3         9     
     Center Torso            11        16   
     Center Torso (rear)               5     
     R/L Torso               8         13   
     R/L Torso (rear)                  3     
     R/L Arm                 6         11   
     R/L Leg                 8         14   

Weapons              Location  Critical   Heat    Tonnage
Large Laser              LA        2        8       5.0   
Large Laser              RA        2        8       5.0   
2 Jump Jets              LL        2        -       1.0   
2 Jump Jets              RL        2        -       1.0   
Jump Jet                 CT        1        -       0.5   
2 Double Heat Sinks      RT        6        -       2.0   
Double Heat Sink         LT        3        -       1.0



Panther PNT-NSB1

A variant produced by Norse-Storm Technologies the NSB1 variant is being upgraded from captured Panthers from both the Federated Commonwealth as well as surviving Free Rasalhague Republic units.

Incorporating the larger but lighter 245XL engine currently under production by the company for the return of the SPR-5F Spector to the battlefield. This increased speed gives an entirely new feel to the walking tank that is the Panther. Some saw opting for the lighter ER Large Laser instead of the traditional ER PPC as an interesting choice. Some would have preferred the longer ranges and increased damage but the designers felt the increased tonnage would have left the design with little to no secondary weaponry available. Replacing the traditional SRM-4 missile system with twin Streak SRM 2 systems. The replacement is seen as an improvement by Mechwarriors utilizing the design with the ammo and heat savings features of the failure to fire with no lock inherent in the system.


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Mass: 35 tons
Chassis: Standard Biped
Power Plant: 245 XL
Cruising Speed: 75.6 kph
Maximum Speed: 118.8 kph
Jump Jets: Standard
     Jump Capacity: 210 meters
Armor: Standard
Armament:
     2 Streak SRM 2
     1 ER Large Laser

Cost: 5,991,660 C-bills
Battle Value: 1,038

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                  3.5
Engine                        245 XL                  6
Walking MP: 7
Running MP: 11
Jumping MP: 7
Double Heat Sink              10 [20]                 0
Gyro                                                  3
Cockpit                                               3
Armor Factor                  106                   6.5

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Head                    3         9     
     Center Torso            11        15   
     Center Torso (rear)               6     
     R/L Torso               8         12   
     R/L Torso (rear)                  3     
     R/L Arm                 6         10   
     R/L Leg                 8         13   

Weapons                 Location  Critical   Heat    Tonnage
ER Large Laser              RA        2        12      5.0   
Streak SRM 2                CT        1        2       1.5   
Streak SRM 2                LT        1        2       1.5   
Streak SRM 2 Ammo (50)      LT        1        -       1.0   
CASE                        LT        1        -       0.5   
2 Jump Jets                 RL        2        -       1.0   
2 Jump Jets                 LL        2        -       1.0   
Jump Jet                    CT        1        -       0.5   
Jump Jet                    RT        1        -       0.5   
Jump Jet                    LT        1        -       0.5   
Double Heat Sink            RT        3        -       1.0
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Re: Optimizing the Panther
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2020, 10:47:08 AM »

How do you lose your designs? I heard you were up to Assaults already. Hope you didn't lose them all.
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« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2020, 11:23:34 AM »

Haha I'm ahead but not by that much only up to starting looking at 50 tonners
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Re: Optimizing the Panther
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2020, 02:37:37 PM »

So looking up research on Panther production sites....I can't find a single one still in Kurita hands.

Wakazashi Enterprises
New Samarkand not open until 3132


Alshain Weapons
Alshain lost to GB in 3051
New Oslo lost to Wolf in 3050
and Tok Do not built until 3083
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« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2020, 04:28:51 PM »

The first Panther factory was located on New Oslo and it began cranking out Mechs in 2759 mainly for the SLDF (implied). After the fall of the Star League this facility was taken over by the Draconis Combine who adopted it into its ranks just in time for the Succession Wars. 

In order to keep up with demand a second factory was created on Jarret some time during the Succession Wars.

Both facilities lay within the Free Rasalhague Republic which apparently sparked the creation of a third facility on Krenice. During the Clan Invasion all three sites were assaulted and two (or at least significant parts of two) were relocated. FRR authorities managed to barely outrun the Wolves on New Oslo before rebuilding on Satalice. They were attempting another move when that plant was captured. Jarret was destroyed during the invasion and the Combine managed to relocated at least part of the Krenice facility to Tok Do (Objective Raids).

It is also said that 'While Alshain Weapons crash-built a new line on Tok Do in 3053, they could not maintain their pre-invasion production levels and focused on spare parts and refit kits instead.'

So at this time there are two known factories producing the Panther - Satalice and Tok Do. Both probably hodge podge messes thanks to the Clans.
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Re: Optimizing the Panther
« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2020, 04:41:22 PM »

Alshain Weapons lost its factory on New Oslo to Clan Wolf in 3050 and was forced to destroy the factory on Jarett that same year to prevent its use by Clan Ghost Bear

You state Tok Do but also it says can only do spare parts and refit kits not production of new mechs

As for Satalice

Since taking control of the lion’s share of the Free Rasalhague Republic, Clan Ghost Bear has done their utmost to integrate as much as possible with the occupied populace. Although such factories as Gorton, Kingsley and Thorpe on Satalice might seem of dubious value to the Clan’s touman, Clan Ghost Bear continues to train the workers here and hope to be able to have them trained to manufacture up to Clan standards soon. Until then, they continue to accept modest numbers of the factory’s original products for use as training ‘Mechs and to be issued to the lowest of garrison and solahma troops.
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« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2020, 10:31:22 PM »

The move of factories is detailed in the original Technical Readout 3050 as well as Objective Raids.

New canon doesn't just pave over old canon in my BattleTech settings bud. I think every word has a place regardless its age.
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Re: Optimizing the Panther
« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2020, 12:09:10 PM »

Couldn't read the picture you sent Tak phone is too small screened.

But the new canon doesn't change the old canon. Satalice is in clan hands just wolf now instead of GB so either way its not able to make mechs for DC

Your post states Tak Do is only doing refits and spare parts.

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« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2020, 04:09:50 PM »

Just enlarge it bud, I'll email it to you.

The original TRO 3050 (which was in universe published 3051 during the lull in the invasion caused by the Clans return home to elect a new ilKhan following the death of Leo Showers at Radstadt) lists Alshain Weapons on Krenice as a manufacturer of the Panther. It is uses the word 'telescoped' specifically to emphasis the crash nature of construction there. At least part of this facility was relocated to Tok Do but most of Krenice (previously an industrial planet) was laid waste by retreating Kurita forces. By 3053 the Tok Do facility is operational but in a limited fashion - production is slow and there is a heavy focus on refit kits and repair work (aka spare parts).

Don't forget as part of this contest you can establish a new factory with a suitable justification in some real good fluff which someone here has already done.
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