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Another Predacon?

Dark Steel just sounded cool, I did not realize there was a Predacon named that....

*reasearches*

well *BLEEP* me

I had to research that myself. I do not think I own the Predacons Generation 1 but I do have the Terrorcons. This was around the time my toy interest was waning. Think I have the rest of the Decepticon Combiners.

Quote from: Takiro on September 08, 2014, 04:15:33 PM

Quote from: Abele on September 08, 2014, 10:20:55 AM

Nah, I'm good. It's just a quad that won't even come close to winning due to its paltry 36 tons of pod space with it's 4/6 movement and it literally leaves no mnything else. I'll post it after this contest runs its course.

Quads might be better suited to the Zombie category then the Vampire or Werewolf up in the Assault weight regions. However you could go in another direction movement wise. 

A Zombie means you're moving 3/5, while Vampire or werewolf gets you the XL and 4/6. All three types would have to have standard chassis and armor to maximize crit space.

Not true what so ever! The movement minimum is for Zombies and Vampires who do not focus on speed. The Monster Doctrine essentially calls for the Clans to field OmniMechs based on the battlefield trinity in order to maximize combat performance. The Werewolf (Speedster) is all about speed and as such should be the fastest design possible for its mass. Zombies are defensively focused and maximize protection (armor) above else, essentially with their Standard Engine they are difficult to destroy. Vampires (Assailants) focus on offensive at the expense of all else (armor and speed) meaning pod space is maximized to carry the most weaponry (biggest arsenal) possible.

If I made a quad that went 3/5 and it was filling the Werewolf role, I would run out of pod space to mount weapons as pod weight would reach 40 tons. I comes down to crit space, pure and simple. I'll post an example when I get ofter work and running errands. If you look at the Sabretooth I posted in a separate thread, I had to get really creative to use up all of the weight  as crits started to disappear. A quad at the Assault weight classes simply doesn't have the crits space to compete to mount the weight left over. If I did a quad version of Drakensis' 47-ton pod Fearsome I would be leaving wasted tons on the shop floor with every configuration. I would be forced to with a standard 3/5-capable engine or go with 4/6 XL just to keep the pod-weight manageable for a Vampire

I hear ya brother. It is difficult without those arm internals (16 critical space at least disappear) to fit in Vampire level weaponry and equipment cause you need space as well as tons. Quads work better as Zombies cause you get better armor levels and higher survivability then Bipeds or at least it is a closer competition. Might be interesting if we did some Werewolf Quad research cause your dealing with lesser tonnage like a Zombie and lesser internal space.

Yup I saw Abele. I'll give you a full review once the contest has concluded.

Nice fluff JP. That gives us 4 entries thus far.

Did you remove lower arm and hand actuators? That would give you 4 more crits to play with. Again something Quads can not do. Using too small an XL engine penalizes you with less free double heat sinks and EndoSteel/Ferro Fibrous start taking up alot of space too. Trade offs I suppose.

Did you remove lower arm and hand actuators? That would give you 4 more crits to play with. Again something Quads can not do. Using too small an XL engine penalizes you with less free double heat sinks and EndoSteel/Ferro Fibrous start taking up alot of space too. Trade offs I suppose.

I did indeed remove those. It's necessary to keep a firm eye on which weapons to use - ammo and heatsinks are low tonnage/critical ratio so it's important to keep a high ton/crit ratio for weapons (ER PPCs and LPLs have 3/1 ratio but need heatsinks which are 1/2... etc). This is where ballistic weapons start to make more sense compared to missiles - at least for Clan designs.

Lunar Kestrel

"Fighting Spheroids by moonlight!"
"Winning  Trials by daylight!"
"Never running from a zell fight"
"She's the one known as Battlemoon Kestrel!"

-  Unknown Clan Wolf Scientist upon reviewing the Lunar Kestrel design

Clan Wolf Watch Report 89303-05103052

IlKhan Kerensky.

The Lunar Kestrel is a Snow Raven entry in the current Quicksilver design trial,  however there are several strong indicators that the Snow Ravens have received a great deal of support from the Jade Falcons with this bid.    Key design features greatly resemble those found in the Night Gyr and Turkina Omnimechs leading to indicators that the same design teams worked on the Lunar Kestrel.  Additionally the presence of the Jade Falcons new Laser Heat Sinks are another strong indicator of co-operation between the two Clans.

Apart from the new custom chassis many of the components are drawn from existing designs, particularly the Mad Dog and the Viper.     Having acquired production rights and details for the Standard 320 XL used by the Viper from Clan Ghost Bear in trade for a Star of Mad Dogs and Kit Foxs  the Snow Ravens are well pleased by their deal.   In turn the majority of the electronics including both the communications as well as the targeting and tracking systems are re-used from the Mad Dog.     Additional Ferro-Fibrous armor is re-purposed from the Kit Fox.

The most radical departure however is the inclusion of a full head ejection system.   Project notes indicate that the decision to incorporate this new ejection system was to increase survival of Mechwarriors in hostile environments.    Only fifteen Technicians died during orbital testing of the new ejection system, and no Warriors were harmed during later trials due to ejection (one however died after deliberate targeting following ejection).

In general the Lunar Kestrel is very much inspired by the Maltex Thug, being an upright bipedal Omnimech.    A fast Assault design, with fully half of its mass devoted to pod space and over twelve and half tons of Ferro Fibrous armor the Lunar Kestrel might well have hit the place where speed, armor and weapons come together.   

Prime Config:     Building of the Thug, the primary configuration sports an impressive armament of 2 ER Kingston DDS PPC's and two Streak SRM6's that each have a ton of ammo.  The secondary weapon suite is an impressive 6 medium pulse lasers along with ECM and an Active Probe to deal with any stravag Spheroid tricks.   An er medium laser is mounted to fire at the rear to catch any light mech trying to back-stab it.    16 heat sinks attempt to keep this config cool, however as an Alpha Strike would overwhelm this configuration a computer lockout has been installed requiring a verbal code override.

Alpha Config:  A much cooler running variation Alpha features twin Ultra AC 10's with 30 shots each, leaving it with solid battlefield endurance.   When conserving ammo an ER PPC installed in the centre torso along with a duo of ER medium lasers beside it provide additional firepower.   A head mounted ECM unit provides additional support, with 16 laser heat sinks installed to cool this mech off.

Beta Config:  A very cold running design Beta packs a mean long distance punch with only four weapons in total.   Pairs of Gauss Rifles and ER Large Lasers enable this config to fight effectively at over 600 meters on the modern battlefield.   Each arm mounted Gauss Rifle has 24 shots giving it tremendous endurance,  while the torso mounted ER Large Lasers are cooled by twelve laser heatsinks.  A head mounted ECM suite is included.

Gamma Config:  Drawing heavily from the Warhawk Prime Gamma features a pair of ER Large Lasers mounted in the left and right arm pods, along with an under-mounted Medium Er Laser and Medium Pulse Laser respectively.    A LRM10 is mounted in the left torso feed by two tons of ammo giving it a great deal of endurance.   A Targeting Computer is mounted in the right torso to make the fire deadly accurate.   A Light Active Probe is mounted in the head.

Delta Config:  Delta Config is very much an acknowledgement that the Timber Wolf Prime is an effective and desirable design.  Large Pulse Lasers are paired up with an ER Medium Laser in each arm pod with an under-slung machine gun.   An LRM20 with Art IV is installed in the left and right torso, each feed by two tons of ammo.   In the head an AMS unit degrades enemy missile fire, while a medium pulse laser can be found in the centre torso.  Fifteen laser heat sinks keep this Omni cool, an Alpha strike would overwhelm this mech however with careful weapon selection Warriors can keep it running cold.

Space Config:   Included as an experiment in equipping Warriors to fight in zero-G and in outer space, the Space Config features four re-purposed altitude control thrusters feed by a fuel tank of four tons of hydrogen.  Armed with two Large Pulse Lasers (one in either arm), two Streak SRM6 launchers (in either torso) feed by a ton of ammo each (stored in the centre torso), and a small pulse laser below each SRM6 launcher.   A Targeting Computer aids warriors placing shots in the challenging environment while an ECM suite and Active probe round out the Space Configs electronics.

Notes indicate that an ambitious Freebirth Warrior called a Trial against a Point of Snow Raven ASF Pilots using the Space Config.   Held in one of the Lum systems asteroid fields said Warrior surprised many by lasting nearly fifteen minutes with adept zero-g piloting.    He still however lost soundly, a reminder that in Space ASF reign supreme and his fully operational full head ejection system was deliberately targeted and destroyed.   







Lunar Kestrel

Mass: 80 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped Omnimech
Rules Level: Advanced Rules
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E-A
Production Year: 3070
Cost: 24,168,750 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,022

Chassis: SR3052 - OM Standard
Power Plant: Standard 320 XL 320 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Compound H18 Ferro Fibrous Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
    40.0 tons of pod space.
Manufacturer: Production Line Gamma 2
    Primary Factory: Lum
Communications System: Build OSJ-41
Targeting and Tracking System: Cat's Eye MD6

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Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                     122 points                8.00
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             320                      11.50
    Walking MP: 4
    Running MP: 6
    Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks:         Laser Heat Sink              11                        1.00
Gyro:               Standard                                               4.00
Cockpit:            Standard w/ Full Head Ejection System                  3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA    R: SH+UA
Armor:              Ferro-Fibrous                AV - 240                 12.50
    Armor Locations: 1 LT, 2 RT, 2 LA, 2 RA

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     25           39       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  10       
                                           L/R Torso     17           25       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  9         
                                             L/R Arm     13           25       
                                             L/R Leg     17           32       



================================================================================
Loadout Name: Prime                                          Cost: 28,128,750
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E-A                       BV2: 2,760

Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Heat Sinks:         Laser Heat Sink              16                        5.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 2 LT, 1 RT, 1 LL, 1 RL
    CASE Locations: CT                                                     0.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA    R: SH+UA

Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
(R) ER Medium Laser                          HD        5         1         1.00
Streak SRM-6                                 RT        4         2         3.00
2 Medium Pulse Lasers                        RT        8         2         4.00
ECM Suite                                    RT        0         1         1.00
Streak SRM-6                                 LT        4         2         3.00
2 Medium Pulse Lasers                        LT        8         2         4.00
Active Probe                                 LT        0         1         1.00
ER PPC                                       RA        15        2         6.00
Medium Pulse Laser                           RA        4         1         2.00
ER PPC                                       LA        15        2         6.00
Medium Pulse Laser                           LA        4         1         2.00
@Streak SRM-6 (30)                           CT        -         2         2.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 11

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      8    Points: 28
4          6       6       2       0      4     4   Structure:  4
Special Abilities: OMNI, ECM, PRB, RCN, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA


================================================================================
Loadout Name: Alpha                                          Cost: 27,386,250
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E-A                       BV2: 2,444

Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Heat Sinks:         Laser Heat Sink              16                        5.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT, 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
    CASE Locations: LT, RT                                                 0.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA    R: SH+UA

Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ECM Suite                                    HD        0         1         1.00
ER PPC                                       CT        15        2         6.00
Ultra AC/10                                  RA        3         4        10.00
ER Medium Laser                              RA        5         1         1.00
Ultra AC/10                                  LA        3         4        10.00
ER Medium Laser                              LA        5         1         1.00
@Ultra AC/10 (30)                            RT        -         3         3.00
@Ultra AC/10 (30)                            LT        -         3         3.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 11

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      8    Points: 24
4          6       6       5       0      4     0   Structure:  4
Special Abilities: OMNI, ECM, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA


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Loadout Name: Beta                                           Cost: 27,107,250
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E-A                       BV2: 2,637

Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Heat Sinks:         Laser Heat Sink              12                        1.00
    CASE Locations: LA, RA                                                 0.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA    R: SH+UA

Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ECM Suite                                    HD        0         1         1.00
ER Large Laser                               RT        12        1         4.00
ER Large Laser                               LT        12        1         4.00
Gauss Rifle                                  RA        1         6        12.00
Gauss Rifle                                  LA        1         6        12.00
@Gauss Rifle (24)                            RT        -         3         3.00
@Gauss Rifle (24)                            LT        -         3         3.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 17

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      8    Points: 26
4          5       5       5       0      4     0   Structure:  4
Special Abilities: OMNI, ECM, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA


================================================================================
Loadout Name: Gamma                                          Cost: 27,003,750
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E-A                       BV2: 2,743

Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Heat Sinks:         Laser Heat Sink              23                       12.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 1 CT, 3 LT, 2 RT, 2 LA, 2 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
    CASE Locations: LT                                                     0.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA    R: SH+UA+LA

Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Light Active Probe                           HD        0         1         0.50
Targeting Computer                           RT        -         4         4.00
LRM-10                                       LT        4         1         2.50
2 ER Large Lasers                            RA        24        2         8.00
Medium Pulse Laser                           RA        4         1         2.00
2 ER Large Lasers                            LA        24        2         8.00
ER Medium Laser                              LA        5         1         1.00
@LRM-10 (24)                                 LT        -         2         2.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 0

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      8    Points: 27
4          6       6       4       0      4     1   Structure:  4
Special Abilities: OMNI, LPRB, RCN, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, IF 1


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Loadout Name: Delta                                          Cost: 27,683,250
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E-A                       BV2: 2,645

Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Heat Sinks:         Laser Heat Sink              15                        4.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
    CASE Locations: CT, LT, RT                                             0.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA    R: SH+UA+LA

Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Anti-Missile System                          HD        1         1         0.50
Medium Pulse Laser                           CT        4         1         2.00
LRM-20                                       RT        6         4         5.00
    Artemis IV FCS                           RT        -         1         1.00
LRM-20                                       LT        6         4         5.00
    Artemis IV FCS                           LT        -         1         1.00
ER Medium Laser                              RA        5         1         1.00
Machine Gun                                  RA        0         1         0.25
Large Pulse Laser                            RA        10        2         6.00
ER Medium Laser                              LA        5         1         1.00
Machine Gun                                  LA        0         1         0.25
Large Pulse Laser                            LA        10        2         6.00
@MG (200)                                    CT        -         1         1.00
@LRM-20 (Artemis) (12)                       RT        -         2         2.00
@LRM-20 (Artemis) (12)                       LT        -         2         2.00
@Anti-Missile System (48)                    LT        -         2         2.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 3

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      8    Points: 26
4          6       6       4       0      4     2   Structure:  4
Special Abilities: OMNI, AMS, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, IF 2


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Loadout Name: Space                                          Cost: 27,775,950
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E-A                       BV2: 2,521

Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Jumping MP: 4  (Standard)
    Jump Jet Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LL, 1 RL                             4.00
Heat Sinks:         Laser Heat Sink              15                        4.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 2 LA, 2 RA
    CASE Locations: CT                                                     0.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA+H

Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ECM Suite                                    HD        0         1         1.00
Streak SRM-6                                 RT        4         2         3.00
Small Pulse Laser                            RT        2         1         1.00
Active Probe                                 RT        0         1         1.00
Targeting Computer                           RT        -         3         3.00
Cargo, Liquid (4.0 tons)                     LT        0         4         4.00
Streak SRM-6                                 LT        4         2         3.00
ECM Suite                                    LT        0         1         1.00
Small Pulse Laser                            LT        2         1         1.00
Large Pulse Laser                            RA        10        2         6.00
Large Pulse Laser                            LA        10        2         6.00
@Streak SRM-6 (30)                           CT        -         2         2.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 2

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      8    Points: 25
4j         6       6       3       0      4     0   Structure:  4
Special Abilities: OMNI, ECM, PRB, RCN, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA



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