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Re: Design Committee: AirWolf LAM (Clan)
« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2014, 07:02:16 PM »
The Con's of the LAM are going to make it a rare animal even for the clan's with some clan's that are even open to the idea not deploying them at first until they can train up techs, build up spare parts, and worse of the lot, Make a new training program just for LAM pilots(since there isn't any Blood named linked to LAM's) This might make the first true LAM pilots Freebirth's which means some clan's aren't going to like theses mechs just for that reason , but Clans open to freebirth pilots will have a program up and running pretty fast.
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 Specialized parts that aren't likely to be tradable among non LAM's like ,unlike mechs which can trade parts between each other with only limited non use
 Highly Specialized Techs (well they can repair normal mechs they really are trained for LAM's) going to have to start up a whole new training caste of techs just for LAM use
 Pilots ( This is at first only once LAM's are excepted this will change but at first. ->Dang it NO True born is going to want to have the shame of piloting a LAM and having to retrain as a aero pilot tho Jade Falcon's dual cockpit of one aero one MechWarrior might let the falcon into the party early) Oky at first solely freebirth pilots and likely a few captured IS pilots at that so don't want to build up to fast.

 logistic speaking someone's going is going to have to figure out how the LAM is going to fit at first into the Clan battle format just taking cluster formation at its basic
3-5 Mech trinary 1 Aero Binary and 1 BA binary if I can recall what a standard cluster format is (I'm likely wrong been a long time since I played clanner)
 So how to deploy the LAM assuming 5 but some clan's might deploy 10 but that's a clan thing and not being thought of in this part. Just how to deploy them at first(remember this is just Stingers, Wasps, and PHX LAM's)
   I think at first it just might be a star worth attached to the command star to serve as the cluster commander wishes the more the maverick the commander more dirty the star's use(first strike, raiding enemy rear area well rest of the force draws them into a fight) or just plain recon.
 
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Re: Design Committee: AirWolf LAM (Clan)
« Reply #16 on: July 07, 2014, 09:28:56 PM »
Both Wolf Khans are full of Inner Sphere experience that is certainly a plus. I think the Wolves can get it done and pave the way for other Clans to try the concept out.

Speaking of designs since we are going to fill out the early LAM stars with the three existing Star League designs upgraded for Clan use what do you guys think we can do to improve them? How do you think the Stinger LAM IIc, the Wasp IIc, and the Phoenix Hawk IIc would be upgraded??
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Re: Design Committee: AirWolf LAM (Clan)
« Reply #17 on: July 07, 2014, 11:00:58 PM »
I don't think they would at first.  AirWarriors (my own term) would have to prove that not only the technology would work, but the training.  if that works, THEN they woudl get upgraded weapons and heat sinks
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Re: Design Committee: AirWolf LAM (Clan)
« Reply #18 on: July 07, 2014, 11:34:16 PM »
OH Yeah I love this.
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Re: Design Committee: AirWolf LAM (Clan)
« Reply #19 on: July 08, 2014, 06:37:32 AM »
Quote from: JPArbiter on July 07, 2014, 11:00:58 PM
I don't think they would at first.  AirWarriors (my own term) would have to prove that not only the technology would work, but the training.  if that works, THEN they would get upgraded weapons and heat sinks.

Interesting idea JP. What did you think of this idea?

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With the Truce of Tukayyid only recently established and ComStar's duplicity during the Great Battle coming to light with the failure of Operation Scorpion there have been calls to resume the Crusade. The ilKhan citing the poor condition of some Invaders and indicating the drafting of a new war plan has authorized punitive strikes by the Clans. While forbidden to take worlds below the Truce Line there is no prohibition on raids which can not only destroy enemy forces and take valuable supplies with which to rebuild and enhance the Clan position in the InnerSphere. Many warriors especially Crusaders were eager to undertake these raids which they could travel closer to Terra. With LAMs being an ideal raiding and recon unit they are chosen further this Line Crossing which carries extra honor akin to the Native American Counting Coup (who can come the closest to Terra and return, bonus without damage i.e. wasting resources). Warriors must retrain and retest themselves so as to earn the honor of these sacred missions.

Obviously Crusaders would demand a Trail of Refusal initially over such a silly idea. We have to use those? No way, trail of refusal. This could be the first use of LAMs versus Clan OmniMechs. What do you think?
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Re: Design Committee: AirWolf LAM (Clan)
« Reply #20 on: July 08, 2014, 10:08:56 AM »
Quote from: Takiro on July 08, 2014, 06:37:32 AM
Quote from: JPArbiter on July 07, 2014, 11:00:58 PM
I don't think they would at first.  AirWarriors (my own term) would have to prove that not only the technology would work, but the training.  if that works, THEN they would get upgraded weapons and heat sinks.

Interesting idea JP. What did you think of this idea?


Clan Culture, the LAM would have to engage in a trial of position to prove itself for it's place in clan culture, the warriors, as you said previous washouts or Solhama would need to trial for thier place as well.
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Re: Design Committee: AirWolf LAM (Clan)
« Reply #21 on: July 08, 2014, 04:11:55 PM »
Quote from: JPArbiter on July 08, 2014, 10:08:56 AM
Clan Culture, the LAM would have to engage in a trial of position to prove itself for it's place in clan culture, the warriors, as you said previous washouts or Solhama would need to trial for thier place as well.

Interesting JP, how would you compare the reintroduction of LAMs to the appearance of ProtoMechs in canon? ProtoMechs really never proved themselves prior to Huntress and did all Clans accept them??
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Re: Design Committee: AirWolf LAM (Clan)
« Reply #22 on: July 08, 2014, 07:31:02 PM »
 I'm assuming at first its just really going to be Clan Wolf deploying theses things in any true number at first, so as for the trail to prove their worth its going to be really "How Well the Wolf Clan Makes them appear to work " as to how they prove themselves. Just like the proto's when they first showed up tho the proto's didn't have the basis against them like the LAM program will.

 Material wise I don't think ur going to see much other then a basic upgrade to Clan weapons over the original Star League weapons and double heat sinks for the three original LAM's. Past that not really much you can upgrade them with until the Clan science caste makes a break through on LAM designs to allow Endo/FF/XL engines and such ur really kind of limited.

 And I really don't see Clan crusader or even wardens taking up the LAM just to raid as the InnerSphere has show u can raid fine with just mechs just LAM's are better at it at times due to their abilities.
   
 I really don't see the Clan's as a whole accepting the LAM's for a very long time(60+yrs) but I do see select Clans readily accepting them as long as they can be shown to have abilities they believe they need and make them stronger. I also see LAM's for the very beginning belonging more to the Freeborn/Bondman(IS) prisoners of Clan Wolf then to any trueborn warriors simply there isn't any training program at first for a new Sibeko to be formed and raised and trained isn't going to happen anytime fast 16+ yrs means the LAM program is going to have to prove itself for a long time.
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Re: Design Committee: AirWolf LAM (Clan)
« Reply #23 on: July 09, 2014, 05:06:20 PM »
Quote from: LordGrayson on July 08, 2014, 07:31:02 PM
Material wise I don't think ur going to see much other then a basic upgrade to Clan weapons over the original Star League weapons and double heat sinks for the three original LAM's. Past that not really much you can upgrade them with until the Clan science caste makes a break through on LAM designs to allow Endo/FF/XL engines and such ur really kind of limited.

Yeah I looked at the original three designs and basically all you can do is double the heat sinks and Clanify the weapons. I'll post some possible refits later for the IIc. 

Quote from: LordGrayson on July 08, 2014, 07:31:02 PM
And I really don't see Clan crusader or even wardens taking up the LAM just to raid as the InnerSphere has show u can raid fine with just mechs just LAM's are better at it at times due to their abilities.

Well the object is to dart in and dart out without taking any damage or losing equipment. Sure you can deliver as much damage as you like but in Clan fashion you want to waste as little as possible. To be the best of the best these Lightning Attackers use LAMs against heavily protected worlds south of the truce line. Yes BattleMechs can do the job but LAMs can do it better.

Quote from: LordGrayson on July 08, 2014, 07:31:02 PM
I really don't see the Clan's as a whole accepting the LAM's for a very long time(60+yrs) but I do see select Clans readily accepting them as long as they can be shown to have abilities they believe they need and make them stronger. I also see LAM's for the very beginning belonging more to the Freeborn/Bondman(IS) prisoners of Clan Wolf then to any trueborn warriors simply there isn't any training program at first for a new Sibeko to be formed and raised and trained isn't going to happen anytime fast 16+ yrs means the LAM program is going to have to prove itself for a long time.

Agreed I'm constructing a short story now about the first LAM team.
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Re: Design Committee: AirWolf LAM (Clan)
« Reply #24 on: July 12, 2014, 10:54:42 AM »
on your clan list I would have to counter that the Sharks would see LAMs as economically unfeasible, and the Burrocks, destined for the absorption slaughter may be interested but not have anywhere near the time  to implement.

thew Wolves and Falcons would be able and willing to experiment, the Adders, Ravens and Cobras I could see participating once the concept is proven.  all others would see this either as an Anathema or just not worth the effort.  lets remember that "Mass" Deployment would be a Star per Galaxy at first.  The Clans Production facilities are limited at best, and with the Fanon Quicksilver being implimented across the clans for Standardization, the lack of production space is even more so.

the Clans lack the manufacturing space, and the people, to build these things in large numbers.
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Re: Design Committee: AirWolf LAM (Clan)
« Reply #25 on: July 12, 2014, 05:56:03 PM »
Good counterpoints JP. Speaking for Burrocks, this is an alternate so they might not get absorbed. ;) But your quite right about Quicksilver, it does suck the life out of a lot of the Clan industry.
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