Topic: The REAL Clan IICs: Classic Heavy Collection (Read 1910 times)

masterarminas · « **on:** January 06, 2015, 02:03:06 PM »

Hello, all. Master Arminas here again with a look at how I believe that the original IIC designs should have been done by the Clans. Too many IICs lost the 'spirit' of their 'Mech and often ended up totally different in character. Here, I shall begin by working with the Classic Heavy BattleMechs of TRO:3025 and TRO:2750 to present my view of how the IICs should have been.

Not everyone will agree (that would take a miracle!), of course. But nonetheless, I do hope that you enjoy these designs. For the most part, I tried to keep true to the spirit of the original design, using advanced Clan technology to make the 'Mech smaller, lighter, and more faster. All of these designs use the 'Holy Trinity' of XL engines, Endo-Steel, and Ferro-fibrous. Why? Because many of the canon IIC designs do so as well. And a great many 'Second-line' BattleMechs that the Clans use that are not IICs.

Note that while all of the 'Mechs I will present to you today started as Heavy-weight designs, not all of them REMAIN heavies. A good number (mainly the 60-tonners) drop down to Medium-weight.

So let us begin.

MA

masterarminas · « **Reply #1 on:** January 06, 2015, 02:11:03 PM »

Champion IIC

The Champion is one design that we have never seen an official IIC for. Why? It was a pretty decent 60-ton 'Mech for the SLDF, so it should be respected . . . but it ain't. Today, we change that. Tonnage drops to 55 tons while we boost the speed from 5/8/0 to 6/9/0 by using a 330XL engine. We keep the weapons package very similar to the SLDF version: an LB-10X autocannon (with three tons of ammo!) replaces the AC-10, a Streak SRM-6 replaces the old standard model, and all four lasers (two Medium and two Small) are upgraded to Extended-Range models.

With only ten double-strength heat sinks, the design CAN overheat on a full alpha-strike . . . but only marginally. Even if it overheats (with the ER Smalls in range and the Streak locking on target), only movement heat is generated as excess. Acceptable.

The biggest change that the LB-10X autocannon and all four Lasers are tied into a 3-ton Targeting Computer for maximum accuracy.

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Champion IIC 

Mass: 55 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-D
Production Year: 3070
Cost: 11,981,500 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,927

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 330 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 64.8 km/h
Maximum Speed: 97.2 km/h
Jump Jets: None
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
    1  LB 10-X AC
    2  ER Medium Lasers
    1  Streak SRM-6
    2  ER Small Lasers
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel                    91 points                3.00
    Internal Locations: 2 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             330                      12.50
    Walking MP: 6
    Running MP: 9
    Jumping MP: 0 
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             10(20)                    0.00
Gyro:               Standard                                               4.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA    R: SH+UA
Armor:              Ferro-Fibrous                AV - 182                  9.50
    Armor Locations: 2 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
    CASE Locations: LT, RT                                                 0.00

                                                      Internal       Armor      
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     18           25        
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  10        
                                           L/R Torso     13           20        
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  6         
                                             L/R Arm     9            18        
                                             L/R Leg     13           25        

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ER Medium Laser                              RA        5         1         1.00
ER Medium Laser                              LA        5         1         1.00
LB 10-X AC                                   RT        2         5        10.00
Streak SRM-6                                 LT        4         2         3.00
Targeting Computer                           LT        -         3         3.00
2 ER Small Lasers                            CT        4         2         1.00
@LB 10-X (Cluster) (10)                      RT        -         1         1.00
@LB 10-X (Slug) (20)                         RT        -         2         2.00
@Streak SRM-6 (15)                           LT        -         1         1.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 15

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      6    Points: 19
6          5       5       1       0      2     0   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, FLK 1/1/1

There is one variant . . . the Champion IIC 2. This version replaces the LB-10X autocannon with an Ultra AC-10 (and three tons of ammo, once again). The Champ-2 tends to overheat far more often then the standard model, but has the potential of delivering an additional 10 points of damage on a double tap.

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Champion IIC 2 

Mass: 55 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-D
Production Year: 3070
Cost: 11,857,500 C-Bills
Battle Value: 2,074

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 330 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 64.8 km/h
Maximum Speed: 97.2 km/h
Jump Jets: None
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
    1  Ultra AC/10
    2  ER Medium Lasers
    1  Streak SRM-6
    2  ER Small Lasers
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel                    91 points                3.00
    Internal Locations: 2 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             330                      12.50
    Walking MP: 6
    Running MP: 9
    Jumping MP: 0 
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             10(20)                    0.00
Gyro:               Standard                                               4.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA    R: SH+UA
Armor:              Ferro-Fibrous                AV - 182                  9.50
    Armor Locations: 2 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
    CASE Locations: LT, RT                                                 0.00

                                                      Internal       Armor      
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     18           25        
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  10        
                                           L/R Torso     13           20        
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  6         
                                             L/R Arm     9            18        
                                             L/R Leg     13           25        

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ER Medium Laser                              RA        5         1         1.00
ER Medium Laser                              LA        5         1         1.00
Ultra AC/10                                  RT        3         4        10.00
Streak SRM-6                                 LT        4         2         3.00
Targeting Computer                           LT        -         3         3.00
2 ER Small Lasers                            CT        4         2         1.00
@Ultra AC/10 (30)                            RT        -         3         3.00
@Streak SRM-6 (15)                           LT        -         1         1.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 16

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      6    Points: 21
6          6       6       2       0      2     0   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA

masterarminas · « **Reply #2 on:** January 06, 2015, 02:29:01 PM »

Dragon IIC

The Dragon. Who doesn't love the Dragon? Well, if you didn't I do not want to know!

This version drops to 55-tons and increases the speed to 6/9/0, just like the Champion. An LB-5X autocannon (40 shots) replaces the old AC-5, while an LRM-15 with Artemis IV (with a massive five tons of ammunition for 40 salvos!!!) replaces the LRM-10. The two Medium Lasers get upgraded to ER models, and I added an ER Small Laser in the head. Finally, a three-ton Targeting Computer links the LB-5X and all three lasers together.

Ten double-strength heats are more than enough to compensate for all the weapons. And we are done.

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Dragon IIC 

Mass: 55 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-D
Production Year: 3070
Cost: 11,971,658 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,969

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 330 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 64.8 km/h
Maximum Speed: 97.2 km/h
Jump Jets: None
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
    1  LRM-15 w/ Artemis IV FCS
    2  ER Medium Lasers
    1  LB 5-X AC
    1  ER Small Laser
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel                    91 points                3.00
    Internal Locations: 1 CT, 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             330                      12.50
    Walking MP: 6
    Running MP: 9
    Jumping MP: 0 
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             10(20)                    0.00
Gyro:               Standard                                               4.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA
Armor:              Ferro-Fibrous                AV - 182                  9.50
    Armor Locations: 1 CT, 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
    CASE Locations: LT, RA                                                 0.00

                                                      Internal       Armor      
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     18           25        
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  10        
                                           L/R Torso     13           20        
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  6         
                                             L/R Arm     9            18        
                                             L/R Leg     13           25        

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
LB 5-X AC                                    RA        1         4         7.00
ER Medium Laser                              LA        5         1         1.00
ER Medium Laser                              RT        5         1         1.00
Targeting Computer                           RT        -         2         2.00
LRM-15                                       LT        5         2         3.50
    Artemis IV FCS                           LT        -         1         1.00
ER Small Laser                               HD        2         1         0.50
@LB 5-X (Cluster) (20)                       RA        -         1         1.00
@LB 5-X (Slug) (20)                          RA        -         1         1.00
@LRM-15 (Artemis) (40)                       LT        -         5         5.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 11

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      6    Points: 20
6          4       4       2       0      2     0   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, IF 1

The single variant is the Dragon IIC 2, which replaces the LB-5X with an Ultra AC-5 autocannon (40 single shots or 20 double shots). This variant remains heat neutral even on a running Alpha-Strike with a double-tap.

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Dragon IIC 2 

Mass: 55 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-D
Production Year: 3070
Cost: 11,894,158 C-Bills
Battle Value: 2,032

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 330 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 64.8 km/h
Maximum Speed: 97.2 km/h
Jump Jets: None
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
    1  LRM-15 w/ Artemis IV FCS
    1  Ultra AC/5
    2  ER Medium Lasers
    1  ER Small Laser
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel                    91 points                3.00
    Internal Locations: 1 CT, 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             330                      12.50
    Walking MP: 6
    Running MP: 9
    Jumping MP: 0 
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             10(20)                    0.00
Gyro:               Standard                                               4.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA
Armor:              Ferro-Fibrous                AV - 182                  9.50
    Armor Locations: 1 CT, 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
    CASE Locations: LT, RA                                                 0.00

                                                      Internal       Armor      
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     18           25        
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  10        
                                           L/R Torso     13           20        
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  6         
                                             L/R Arm     9            18        
                                             L/R Leg     13           25        

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ultra AC/5                                   RA        1         3         7.00
ER Medium Laser                              LA        5         1         1.00
ER Medium Laser                              RT        5         1         1.00
Targeting Computer                           RT        -         2         2.00
LRM-15                                       LT        5         2         3.50
    Artemis IV FCS                           LT        -         1         1.00
ER Small Laser                               HD        2         1         0.50
@Ultra AC/5 (40)                             RA        -         2         2.00
@LRM-15 (Artemis) (40)                       LT        -         5         5.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 12

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      6    Points: 20
6          5       5       3       0      2     0   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, IF 1

masterarminas · « **Reply #3 on:** January 06, 2015, 02:35:59 PM »

Lancelot IIC

The Lancelot . . . ah, our noble knight in shining armor who can't keep his trousers zipped! Heh. For this one, we had to address some problems. A straight upgrade would have been crippled by excess heat . . . but WAIT A MINUTE! The original mounted two Large Lasers and a PPC because the PPC did more damage and had a longer range. Clan ER Large Lasers do the same damage as that PPC AND are the single longest ranged energy weapon in existence!

Okay. The original moved at 6/9/0 and we can't improve on that without gutting our payload and armor. So, we drop the design to 55-tons and keep the speed the same. Armament is three ER Large Lasers tied into a three-ton Targeting Computer. We had to drop the head-mounted backup Medium Laser, but macht nichts. Eighteen DHS alleviate all but movement heat, and that is good enough for me and should be good enough for YOU.

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Lancelot IIC 

Mass: 55 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-D
Production Year: 3070
Cost: 11,742,025 C-Bills
Battle Value: 2,238

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 330 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 64.8 km/h
Maximum Speed: 97.2 km/h
Jump Jets: None
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
    3  ER Large Lasers
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel                    91 points                3.00
    Internal Locations: 1 HD, 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             330                      12.50
    Walking MP: 6
    Running MP: 9
    Jumping MP: 0 
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             18(36)                    8.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 3 LT, 2 RT
Gyro:               Standard                                               4.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA    R: SH+UA
Armor:              Ferro-Fibrous                AV - 182                  9.50
    Armor Locations: 1 CT, 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL

                                                      Internal       Armor      
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     18           25        
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  10        
                                           L/R Torso     13           20        
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  6         
                                             L/R Arm     9            18        
                                             L/R Leg     13           25        

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ER Large Laser                               RA        12        1         4.00
ER Large Laser                               LA        12        1         4.00
Targeting Computer                           RT        -         3         3.00
ER Large Laser                               CT        12        1         4.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 17

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      6    Points: 22
6          4       4       4       0      2     0   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: ENE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA

masterarminas · « **Reply #4 on:** January 06, 2015, 02:42:15 PM »

Ostroc IIC

The Ostroc had this horrendous original art in TRO:3025. But luckily, it got an AWESOME makeover in Phoenix Project.

Okay, we drop the tonnage to 55-tons and increase the speed to 6/9/0. The SRM-4 has been upgraded to a Streak SRM-6, while all four Lasers have been upgraded to Extended-Range models. A two-ton Targeting Computer makes the lasers even more accurate. Seventeen DHS can't tank ALL of the heat this machine produces . . . but if the Streaks don't lock, then only movement heat is generated. Not good, but not really bad either.

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Ostroc IIC 

Mass: 55 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-D
Production Year: 3070
Cost: 11,940,890 C-Bills
Battle Value: 2,377

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 330 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 64.8 km/h
Maximum Speed: 97.2 km/h
Jump Jets: None
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
    2  ER Large Lasers
    2  ER Medium Lasers
    1  Streak SRM-6
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel                    91 points                3.00
    Internal Locations: 1 HD, 1 CT, 1 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             330                      12.50
    Walking MP: 6
    Running MP: 9
    Jumping MP: 0 
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             17(34)                    7.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 2 LT, 2 RT
Gyro:               Standard                                               4.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA+H
Armor:              Ferro-Fibrous                AV - 182                  9.50
    Armor Locations: 1 CT, 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
    CASE Locations: LT                                                     0.00

                                                      Internal       Armor      
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     18           25        
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  10        
                                           L/R Torso     13           20        
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  6         
                                             L/R Arm     9            18        
                                             L/R Leg     13           25        

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ER Large Laser                               RT        12        1         4.00
ER Medium Laser                              RT        5         1         1.00
Targeting Computer                           RT        -         2         2.00
ER Large Laser                               LT        12        1         4.00
ER Medium Laser                              LT        5         1         1.00
Streak SRM-6                                 LT        4         2         3.00
@Streak SRM-6 (15)                           LT        -         1         1.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 12

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      6    Points: 24
6          5       5       3       0      2     0   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA

masterarminas · « **Reply #5 on:** January 06, 2015, 02:47:09 PM »

Ostsol IIC

Ah, the Ostsol. Of all the egg-'Mechs, this was always my favorite. Like the Ostroc, it got a VERY good make-over and now looks like a winner.

Tonnage dropped to 55-tons and we increased the speed to 6/9/0 (Can you say heavy cavalry? I knew you could!) Armament is simple and to the point: two ER Large Lasers and four ER Medium Lasers (two firing to the rear), tied into a three-ton Targeting Computer. Eighteen DHS allows for the Ostsol IIC to remain heat-neutral on a running Alpha-Strike. This 'Mech is elegant and brutal and quite the zombie (even with the XL engine).

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Ostsol IIC 

Mass: 55 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-D
Production Year: 3070
Cost: 11,950,190 C-Bills
Battle Value: 2,380

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 330 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 64.8 km/h
Maximum Speed: 97.2 km/h
Jump Jets: None
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
    2  ER Large Lasers
    4  ER Medium Lasers
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel                    91 points                3.00
    Internal Locations: 1 HD, 1 RT, 2 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             330                      12.50
    Walking MP: 6
    Running MP: 9
    Jumping MP: 0 
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             18(36)                    8.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 1 CT, 3 LT, 1 RT
Gyro:               Standard                                               4.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA+H
Armor:              Ferro-Fibrous                AV - 182                  9.50
    Armor Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA, 2 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL

                                                      Internal       Armor      
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     18           25        
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  10        
                                           L/R Torso     13           20        
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  6         
                                             L/R Arm     9            18        
                                             L/R Leg     13           25        

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ER Large Laser                               RT        12        1         4.00
ER Medium Laser                              RT        5         1         1.00
(R) ER Medium Laser                          RT        5         1         1.00
Targeting Computer                           RT        -         3         3.00
ER Large Laser                               LT        12        1         4.00
ER Medium Laser                              LT        5         1         1.00
(R) ER Medium Laser                          LT        5         1         1.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 10

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      6    Points: 24
6          4       4       3       0      2     0   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: ENE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA

masterarminas · « **Reply #6 on:** January 06, 2015, 02:54:43 PM »

Quickdraw IIC

The poor, lamented Quickdraw. The 'Mech that so many people just HATE. Well, this one isn't as much suck.

The tonnage dropped to 55-tons (incidentally lowering the tonnage of the jump-jets from 1 ton each to 0.5 tons each) and we boosted the speed to 6/9/6! The missile racks grew larger (the LRM-10 becoming an LRM-15 with Artemis IV FCS (with three tons of ammo!) and the SRM-4 becoming a Streak SRM-6). The two rear-firing Medium Lasers became extended-range models, while the arm-mounted Mediums were upgraded to Clan Medium Pulse Lasers! Oh, and just for the hell of it, we included a two-ton Targeting Computer . . . completely wiping away the to-hit penalty for jumping with those arm-mounted lasers!

10 DHS almost makes the design heat neutral, but that is good enough when you consider that four of that heat comes from jumping . . . and you ain't going to be jumping every turn. And only if the Streak locks, and that isn't happening each and every turn either . . . unless your dice are a whole lot luckier than mine!

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Quickdraw IIC 

Mass: 55 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-D
Production Year: 3070
Cost: 12,543,840 C-Bills
Battle Value: 2,330

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 330 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 64.8 km/h
Maximum Speed: 97.2 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
    Jump Capacity: 180 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
    1  LRM-15 w/ Artemis IV FCS
    2  Medium Pulse Lasers
    1  Streak SRM-6
    2  ER Medium Lasers
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel                    91 points                3.00
    Internal Locations: 1 LT, 2 LA, 2 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             330                      12.50
    Walking MP: 6
    Running MP: 9
    Jumping MP: 6 Standard
    Jump Jet Locations: 3 LT, 3 RT                                         3.00
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             10(20)                    0.00
Gyro:               Standard                                               4.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA+H
Armor:              Ferro-Fibrous                AV - 172                  9.00
    Armor Locations: 1 LT, 2 LA, 2 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
    CASE Locations: LT, RT                                                 0.00

                                                      Internal       Armor      
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     18           25        
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  6         
                                           L/R Torso     13           20        
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  5         
                                             L/R Arm     9            18        
                                             L/R Leg     13           23        

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Medium Pulse Laser                           RA        4         1         2.00
Medium Pulse Laser                           LA        4         1         2.00
LRM-15                                       RT        5         2         3.50
    Artemis IV FCS                           RT        -         1         1.00
(R) ER Medium Laser                          RT        5         1         1.00
Streak SRM-6                                 LT        4         2         3.00
(R) ER Medium Laser                          LT        5         1         1.00
Targeting Computer                           CT        -         2         2.00
@LRM-15 (Artemis) (24)                       RT        -         3         3.00
@Streak SRM-6 (15)                           LT        -         1         1.00
@LRM-15 (Artemis) (8)                        LT        -         1         1.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 7

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      6    Points: 23
6j         5       5       2       0      2     0   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, IF 1

masterarminas · « **Reply #7 on:** January 06, 2015, 03:04:23 PM »

Rifleman IIC

The classic Air Defense 'Mech . . . but also one that suffers BADLY in 'Mech to 'Mech combat. Too light armor, too little ammo, too few heat sinks, too many guns that it simply cannot use.

We drop the design to 55-tons and boost the speed to 5/8/0. The torso Medium Lasers are removed completely (really, what use do they serve except to drive up the heat even more?). We upgrade the AC-5s to LB-5Xs, each with a ton of ammo (twice the original payload). And the Large Lasers become ER Large Lasers. However, in order to fit the five-ton Targeting Computer (come on, you know you want it), we had to reduce the armor (still more than the original!) and go with just 11 DHS. A walking Alpha-Strike will put you at +5, so you gotta watch that heat. But it is FAR better than the RFL-3N (+15 heat for the same walking Alpha Strike!).

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Rifleman IIC 

Mass: 55 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-D
Production Year: 3070
Cost: 10,566,092 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,942

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 275 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86.4 km/h
Jump Jets: None
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
    2  ER Large Lasers
    2  LB 5-X ACs
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel                    91 points                3.00
    Internal Locations: 1 CT, 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             275                       8.00
    Walking MP: 5
    Running MP: 8
    Jumping MP: 0 
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             11(22)                    1.00
Gyro:               Standard                                               3.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA    R: SH+UA
Armor:              Ferro-Fibrous                AV - 153                  8.00
    Armor Locations: 1 CT, 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
    CASE Locations: LA, RA                                                 0.00

                                                      Internal       Armor      
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     18           20        
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  6         
                                           L/R Torso     13           20        
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  4         
                                             L/R Arm     9            15        
                                             L/R Leg     13           20        

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
LB 5-X AC                                    RA        1         4         7.00
ER Large Laser                               RA        12        1         4.00
LB 5-X AC                                    LA        1         4         7.00
ER Large Laser                               LA        12        1         4.00
Targeting Computer                           RT        -         5         5.00
@LB 5-X (Cluster) (20)                       RA        -         1         1.00
@LB 5-X (Cluster) (20)                       LA        -         1         1.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 16

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      5    Points: 19
5          3       3       3       0      2     0   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, FLK 1/1/1

One variant that has proven somewhat popular in certain circles is the Rifleman IIC 2. This version just swaps the LB-5X autocannons for Ultra AC-5 autocannons, generating slightly more heat for increased potential damage. Unfortunately, the ammo bins remain the same, which means the Rifleman IIC 2 runs through its munitions in a hurry.

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Rifleman IIC 2 

Mass: 55 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-D
Production Year: 3070
Cost: 10,411,092 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,945

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 275 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86.4 km/h
Jump Jets: None
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
    2  ER Large Lasers
    2  Ultra AC/5s
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel                    91 points                3.00
    Internal Locations: 1 CT, 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             275                       8.00
    Walking MP: 5
    Running MP: 8
    Jumping MP: 0 
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             11(22)                    1.00
Gyro:               Standard                                               3.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA    R: SH+UA
Armor:              Ferro-Fibrous                AV - 153                  8.00
    Armor Locations: 1 CT, 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
    CASE Locations: LA, RA                                                 0.00

                                                      Internal       Armor      
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     18           20        
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  6         
                                           L/R Torso     13           20        
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  4         
                                             L/R Arm     9            15        
                                             L/R Leg     13           20        

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ER Large Laser                               RA        12        1         4.00
Ultra AC/5                                   RA        1         3         7.00
ER Large Laser                               LA        12        1         4.00
Ultra AC/5                                   LA        1         3         7.00
Targeting Computer                           RT        -         5         5.00
@Ultra AC/5 (20)                             RA        -         1         1.00
@Ultra AC/5 (20)                             LA        -         1         1.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 18

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      5    Points: 19
5          4       4       4       0      2     0   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA

masterarminas · « **Reply #8 on:** January 06, 2015, 03:05:03 PM »

Well, that is the Classic 60-tonners. Be back tomorrow with the 65's!

MA

Knightmare · « **Reply #9 on:** January 06, 2015, 03:42:34 PM »

Neat list MA and I don't want to burst any bubbles or anything, but the Dragon was turned down by the SLDF. However, when Kerensky left on the Exodus he took copies of the Dragon's technical specifications with him. Later Clan Mongoose took the plans for the Dragon and built their Great Wyrm design from it. So the "technically" the Great Wyrm is the real Dragon IIC.

masterarminas · « **Reply #10 on:** January 06, 2015, 04:30:31 PM »

Quote from: Knightmare on January 06, 2015, 03:42:34 PM

Neat list MA and I don't want to burst any bubbles or anything, but the Dragon was turned down by the SLDF. However, when Kerensky left on the Exodus he took copies of the Dragon's technical specifications with him. Later Clan Mongoose took the plans for the Dragon and built their Great Wyrm design from it. So the "technically" the Great Wyrm is the real Dragon IIC.

Yeah, I know about the Great Wyrm. LOL What I am doing here is how I would have done them and expanding the list to include units that got left out of the IIC-ification.

MA

Takiro · « **Reply #11 on:** January 06, 2015, 07:33:11 PM »

Well where to begin? First off I can not wait to see more cause MA's how it oughta been threads are very sound designs providing a lot of inspiration.

The IIC effort inspired by the Quicksilver Program for the Clarion Call setting is different. As it tries to use what is at hand the Mech core (tonnage and internal structure) does not change. Ideally this would include a standard fusion engine were possible but not always. Armor, heat sinks, weaponry, and equipment are all up for Clan tech alterations. These Clan upgrades are meant to rapidly bolster their Toumans for continued operations, i.e. the invasion.

Here MA has presented a bunch of Star League heavies mainly and slimmed them down. The Biggest Loser? Hardly, they are nice ideas of what could have been done with some classic designs revised to do the Clans bidding. Great job!

I do have thoughts on a lot of the individual Mechs presented but time prevents further comment at the moment. More later!

Shadow_Wraith · « **Reply #12 on:** January 06, 2015, 08:37:06 PM »

Wow, looking forward to more!

Takiro · « **Reply #13 on:** January 06, 2015, 10:04:03 PM »

So do I Shadow Wraith! Here are my comments for each....

Champion IIC
There already is a Champion C mentioned in TRO3050 Upgrades (and again on Sarna.net) that the Clans built with their technology. I like both the base and variant models of the Middle Weight Champion. Hey, maybe you could name it for a Boxer of the Ancient World? Sugar Ray (Robinson or Leonard) or Raging Bull (Jake LaMotta)? A Modular Weapon where you can switch the main gun fairly easily even though it is not an OmniMech would seem to make sense here.

Dragon IIC
The first thing I think is Kindraa Sainze of the Fire Mandrills for some reason. Again a modular main gun seems to be a reoccurring theme here along with 55 tons, 330XL Engine and a targeting computer. Four intriguing ideas to be sure.

Lancelot IIC
You have crafted this BattleMech into an effective long range sniper that can operate indefinitely with its all energy armament. I really like it. Has a great tactical niche.

Ostroc IIC and Ostol IIC
Very similar themes here. Starts to make me wonder why all these BattleMechs and why not one OmniMech? Here the main difference is one Mech mounts a Streak SRM 6 and the other 2 more ER Mediums. The Ost series is my least favorite here.

Quickdraw IIC
The slimming down of this Mech produces a nice reduction in Jump Jet weight allowing for greater speed. Like that and the jump that the armament takes is very nice as well. Nice job.

Rifleman IIC
No 330XL Engine!!?? A little stunning but okay and 5/8 is a big increase with an additional 2MPs at running speed. Not too shabby overall but I am surprised you did not try to go with a twin LB-X10AC paired with twin Large Pulse Lasers even if you had to increase the weight (think I will try my hand at it tonight). Of course the canon IIC (TRO 3055) just has four LPLs which while nice produces a ton of heat. Plus the canon IIC is so slowwwwâ€¦â€¦â€¦ So I like yours better even if it does not match its firepower (close with the Ultra AC variant but not quite).

masterarminas · « **Reply #14 on:** January 07, 2015, 12:42:00 AM »

Bombardier IIC

Oh, how I hate this 'Mech. Let me count the ways . . . never mind. We don't have the time to recite them all!

Nonetheless, it was part of the SLDF and deserving of a IIC makeover. First, we reduced the tonnage to 60 tons which then let us bump the speed up to 6/9/0. The right arm SRM-4 becomes a Streak and we add a matching one on the left arm for good measure. We keep the twin LRM-20s, but give both launchers (and all four tons of ammo) Artemis IV FCS. The Anti-Missile System is kept as well.

Still not a 'Mech I personally would use, but some might.

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Bombardier IIC 

Mass: 60 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-D
Production Year: 3070
Cost: 14,488,960 C-Bills
Battle Value: 2,189

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 360 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 64.8 km/h
Maximum Speed: 97.2 km/h
Jump Jets: None
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
    2  LRM-20s w/ Artemis IV FCS
    2  Streak SRM-4s
    1  Anti-Missile System
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel                    99 points                3.00
    Internal Locations: 1 CT, 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             360                      16.50
    Walking MP: 6
    Running MP: 9
    Jumping MP: 0 
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             10(20)                    0.00
Gyro:               Standard                                               4.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA+H
Armor:              Ferro-Fibrous                AV - 192                 10.00
    Armor Locations: 1 CT, 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
    CASE Locations: LT, RT, LA, RA                                         0.00

                                                      Internal       Armor      
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     20           30        
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  9         
                                           L/R Torso     14           20        
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  6         
                                             L/R Arm     10           20        
                                             L/R Leg     14           26        

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Streak SRM-4                                 RA        3         1         2.00
Streak SRM-4                                 LA        3         1         2.00
LRM-20                                       RT        6         4         5.00
    Artemis IV FCS                           RT        -         1         1.00
LRM-20                                       LT        6         4         5.00
    Artemis IV FCS                           LT        -         1         1.00
Anti-Missile System                          HD        1         1         0.50
@Streak SRM-4 (25)                           RA        -         1         1.00
@Streak SRM-4 (25)                           LA        -         1         1.00
@LRM-20 (Artemis) (12)                       RT        -         2         2.00
@LRM-20 (Artemis) (12)                       LT        -         2         2.00
@Anti-Missile System (24)                    LT        -         1         1.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 9

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      6    Points: 22
6          5       5       4       0      3     0   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: AMS, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, IF 3

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