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The Ultimate Elemental Destroyer: the Grand and Great Komodo
« on: March 19, 2020, 02:17:07 PM »

In my never ending quest to improve existing BattleMech designs I began work on the Komodo not too long ago and came up with these two designs. Thanks to Bradshaw I have revised the Grand Komodo into a faster more refined concept which can actually compete against the Great Komodo. My question to you - which one is better? Please vote and comment why. This will reflect their competition at the New Samarkand Testing Grounds in universe.

GKMD-4 GRAND KOMODO

Mass: 50 tons
Chassis: Alshain Type Chi EndoSteel
Power Plant: GM 300 XL
Cruising Speed: 64 kph
Maximum Speed: 97 kph
Jump Jets: Icarus 81
   Jump Capacity: 180 meters
Armor: Valiant Lamellor
Armament:
10 Victory 23R Medium Lasers
Manufacturer: Luthien Armor Works
Primary Factory: New Samarkand
Communications System: Sipher Security Plus with Guardian ECM Suite
Targeting and Tracking System: Eagle Eye 410 XX with C3 Slave

Overview:
   The first enlarged concept of the Komodo quickly became known as the Grand Komodo and it was five tons heavier than its immediate predecessor. Word of a second larger competitor, the Great Komodo, soon left many working on this project dismayed. Problems in obtaining the Hermes 250 XL from suppliers in the chaotic Free Worlds League threw further cold water on the effort which appeared destined for failure. The team refused to give up however and struck upon an intriguing idea, make the Komodo faster and its core lighter. While this would require a lot of reengineering work the team immediately set to work with a new vigor. They would create the superior Elemental destroyer which would ultimately outperform all others.

Capabilities:
The initial enlargement of the Alshain Type Chi chassis to accommodate the five-ton heavier mass proved easily accomplishable and well within design tolerances. Producing new EndoSteel molds however would not prove easy as would fitting its bulky internal structure within its already crowded interior. The BattleMech’s arms had to be extensively redesigned with its lower arm and hand actuators removed. Luckily the GM 300 XL Engine produced on Qandahar for the Kurita Marauder would help in that second obstacle. Not only did it allow the Grand Komodo to move ten kilometers faster than its competitors but it allowed a dozen Double Heat Sinks to fit internally on that power plant. To make room for these modifications designers choose to remove both Anti-Missile Systems altogether. Early design had already paired down their ammunition but now with space being even more critical these defensive systems would be eliminated in favor of enhanced speed and armor. Ten and a half tons of Valiant Lamellor armor offered ninety nine percent protection which was four tons greater than the original Komodo drastically upgrading defense. Thankfully many of the components were identical to the Komodo and proved easy to uprate to the new fifty-ton design. The TAG swapped for a C3 Slave allowing greater coordination with lancemates and even a company if so equipped. This extensively redesign left the Grand Komodo without any free interior space which makes it difficult for technicians to work on.

Type: GKMD-4 Grand Komodo
Technology Base: Inner Sphere - Level 2
Tonnage: 50

Equipment                        Mass
Internal Structure:         EndoSteel         2.5
Engine:            300 XL         9.5
Walking MP:         6
Running MP:         9
Jumping MP:         6
Heat Sinks:            16 (32)            6
Gyro:                           3
Cockpit:                         3
Armor Factor:            168            10.5

Internal Structure   Armor Value
Head            3         9
Center Torso         16         23 / 8
R/L Torso         12         18 / 6
R/L Arm         8         16
R/L Leg         12         24

Weapons and Ammo      Location      Critical   Tonnage
5 Medium Lasers       Right Arm        5      5
5 Medium Lasers       Left Arm        5      5
Guardian ECM Suite      Right Torso      2      1.5
C3 Slave         Head         1      1
Jump Jets         Center Torso      2      1
Jump Jets         Right Leg      2      1
Jump Jets         Left Leg      2      1

Cost - 10,329,000 C-bills
« Last Edit: March 25, 2020, 11:21:21 AM by Takiro »
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Re: The Ultimate Elemental Destroyer: the Grand and Great Komodo
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2020, 02:18:05 PM »

GKMD-5 GREAT KOMODO

Mass: 55 tons
Chassis: Alshain Type Chi
Power Plant: Nissan 275 XL
Cruising Speed: 55 kph
Maximum Speed: 87 kph
Jump Jets: Icarus 81
   Jump Capacity: 150 meters
Armor: Valiant Lamellor
Armament:
10 Victory 23R Medium Lasers
2 Yori Flyswatter Anti-Missile Systems
Manufacturer: Luthien Armor Works
Primary Factory: New Samarkand
Communications System: Sipher Security Plus with Guardian ECM Suite
Targeting and Tracking System: Eagle Eye 410 XX with C3 Slave

Overview:
   While the Komodo was well received by the DCMS there were those perfectionists who insisted they could do better. Intent on optimizing the performance of the original designers set forth to build a better Komodo. Driven to create the ultimate Elemental destroyer the team postulated if they could simply enlarge their original it could improve heat dissipation and dramatically increase armor protection. While dimly viewed as a ‘fat Lyran effort’ by some designers held strictly to the Medium BattleMech standard intent on maintaining all the advantages offered by this weight class. Looking into a 50-ton version dubbed the Grand Komodo and an apex 55-ton they named the Great Komodo it was finally decided that bigger was ultimately better.

Capabilities:
   Reinforcing the existing Alshain Type Chi internal structure to bear the full 55-ton mass of this Medium ‘Mech proved possible even if it was determined that this was the maximum allowable tolerance for the design. The Nissan 275 XL Engine produced at Marduk for the Griffin and Wolverine was brought in to power the Great Komodo. This too proved positive and allowed engineers to fit eleven Double Heat Sinks with this larger power plant that maintained the Komodo’s eighty-seven-kilometer per hour maximum speed. This enabled a total of sixteen Double Heat Sinks to be mounted on the Great Komodo which allowed a Running Alpha Strike without substantial concern. Even a Jumping Alpha Strike produced only minor overheating consequences which could be mitigated with careful weapon restraint by its Mechwarriors. As with the Grand Komodo designers swapped the TAG swapped for a C3 Slave which allowed it to integrate into a lance or company that could maximize coordinated attacks against Clan invaders. Armor protection was boosted to eleven and a half tons which provided ninety nine percent maximum coverage for this fifty-five-ton frame. This enhanced endurance enabled it to take a single Autocannon/20 burst to any torso location or leg without critical damage which was an impressive threshold that even its competitor could not match. Like its armor plating the rest of its components are identical to the original Komodos which allowed for rapid production. Perfection did not come cheap as the Great Komodo costs three million C-bills more than the original model.

Type: GKMD-5 Great Komodo
Technology Base: Inner Sphere - Level 2
Tonnage: 55

Equipment                        Mass
Internal Structure:                     5.5
Engine:            275 XL         8
Walking MP:         5
Running MP:         8
Jumping MP:         5
Heat Sinks:            16 (32)            6
Gyro:                           3
Cockpit:                         3
Armor Factor:            184            11.5

Internal Structure   Armor Value
Head            3         9
Center Torso         18         25 / 10
R/L Torso         13         20 / 6
R/L Arm         9         18
R/L Leg         13         26

Weapons and Ammo      Location      Critical   Tonnage
5 Medium Lasers       Right Arm        5      5
Anti-Missile System      Right Arm      1      .5
Ammo (Anti-Missile) 12   Right Arm      1      1
5 Medium Lasers       Left Arm        5      5
Anti-Missile System      Left Arm      1      .5
Ammo (Anti-Missile) 12   Left Arm      1      1
Guardian ECM Suite      Right Torso      2      1.5
C3 Slave         Head         1      1
Jump Jet         Center Torso      1      .5
Jump Jets         Right Leg      2      1
Jump Jets         Left Leg      2      1


Cost - 10, 895,156 C-bills
« Last Edit: March 25, 2020, 11:21:58 AM by Takiro »
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Re: The Ultimate Elemental Destroyer: the Grand and Great Komodo
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2020, 04:49:17 PM »

I prefer the 50 ton one. If I was to redesign it from scratch this would have been my choice, you need more speed to engage with all that medium lasers

Komodo KOM-020

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Cost: 10,287,000 C-bills
Battle Value: 1,573

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                    5
Engine                        300 XL                9.5
Walking MP: 6
Running MP: 9
Jumping MP: 6
Double Heat Sink              15 [30]                 5
Gyro                                                  3
Cockpit                                               3
Armor Factor                  128                     8

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Head                    3         9     
     Center Torso            16        18   
     Center Torso (rear)               5     
     R/L Torso               12        16   
     R/L Torso (rear)                  4     
     R/L Arm                 8         11   
     R/L Leg                 12        17   


Right Arm Actuators: Shoulder, Upper Arm, Lower Arm, Hand
Left Arm Actuators: Shoulder, Upper Arm, Lower Arm, Hand

Weapons
and Ammo              Location  Critical   Heat    Tonnage
C3 Computer              HD        1        -       1.0   
5 Medium Lasers          RA        5        3       5.0   
5 Medium Lasers          LA        5        3       5.0 
TAG                      RT        1        0       1.0   
ECM Suite                RT        2        -       1.5   
2 Jump Jets              LL        2        -       1.0   
2 Jump Jets              CT        2        -       1.0   
2 Jump Jets              RL        2        -       1.0   
Double Heat Sink         RT        3        -       1.0   
2 Double Heat Sinks      LT        6        -       2.0   
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Re: The Ultimate Elemental Destroyer: the Grand and Great Komodo
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2020, 08:34:48 PM »

Interesting model, would eliminating the Anti-Missile System be the way to go. Could EndoSteel work with a larger engine?? Hmm....
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Re: The Ultimate Elemental Destroyer: the Grand and Great Komodo
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2020, 01:31:38 AM »

Antimissile system is useless vs elementals because it only works once per turn 5 elementals 4 of them missiles are gonna hit. Worked better under old system sorta because it could at least destroy 2 of them ,missiles now good chance at least one of two will hit at least
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Re: The Ultimate Elemental Destroyer: the Grand and Great Komodo
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2020, 11:24:22 AM »

Just updated this based on Bradshaw's faster 50 ton concept to make this into a true contest. Which design is better?
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Re: The Ultimate Elemental Destroyer: the Grand and Great Komodo
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2020, 02:04:52 PM »

Here's my take on the Grand Komodo. 5/8/5 movement and some rear-firing weaponry to aid in the fight against elementals. AMS is gone and replaced with a Beagle probe and armor.

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Grand Komodo GKM-2

Mass: 50 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E-D
Production Year: 3053
Dry Cost: 9,188,000 C-Bills
Total Cost: 9,188,000 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,704

Chassis: Unknown Standard
Power Plant: Unknown 250 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86.4 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
    Jump Capacity: 150 meters
Armor: Unknown Standard Armor
Armament:
    12  Medium Lasers
    1  TAG
    1  Beagle Active Probe
    1  Guardian ECM Suite
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                      83 points                5.00
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             250                       6.50
    Walking MP: 5
    Running MP: 8
    Jumping MP: 5 Standard
    Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 2 LL, 2 RL                                   2.50
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             14(28)                    4.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA
Gyro:               Standard                                               3.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA+H
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 160                 10.00

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     16           23       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  8         
                                           L/R Torso     12           17       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  7         
                                             L/R Arm     8            15       
                                             L/R Leg     12           21       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TAG                                          HD        0         1         1.00
Guardian ECM Suite                           RT        0         2         1.50
(R) Medium Laser                             RT        3         1         1.00
Beagle Active Probe                          LT        0         2         1.50
(R) Medium Laser                             LT        3         1         1.00
5 Medium Lasers                              RA        15        5         5.00
5 Medium Lasers                              LA        15        5         5.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 7

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      5    Points: 17
5j         5       5       0       0      2     0   Structure:  2
Special Abilities: TAG, PRB, RCN, ECM, ENE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA
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Re: The Ultimate Elemental Destroyer: the Grand and Great Komodo
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2020, 02:41:43 PM »

Thats actually pretty smart to put R facing ones when dealing with Elementals
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Re: The Ultimate Elemental Destroyer: the Grand and Great Komodo
« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2020, 04:33:56 PM »

Intriguing idea, forgot to mention with the Grand Komodo's new redesigned arms (minus lower arm and hand actuators) flipping is possible and that is a key point.
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Re: The Ultimate Elemental Destroyer: the Grand and Great Komodo
« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2020, 04:38:59 PM »

Both arms? because I've learned that both arms need to have none in order to actually do any arm flips
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Re: The Ultimate Elemental Destroyer: the Grand and Great Komodo
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2020, 06:28:42 AM »

Got a citation for that bud?

I see we are up to three votes on the above poll which is very nice. Please get your vote in folks for what you think is the better approach!
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Re: The Ultimate Elemental Destroyer: the Grand and Great Komodo
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2020, 09:29:18 AM »

Got a citation for that bud?

I see we are up to three votes on the above poll which is very nice. Please get your vote in folks for what you think is the better approach!

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Re: The Ultimate Elemental Destroyer: the Grand and Great Komodo
« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2020, 04:01:28 PM »

Got a citation for that bud?

I see we are up to three votes on the above poll which is very nice. Please get your vote in folks for what you think is the better approach!

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I'll have to look that up.

Up to 5 votes now and the 50 ton Grand Komodo is pulling away. 8)
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Re: The Ultimate Elemental Destroyer: the Grand and Great Komodo
« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2020, 04:34:21 PM »

Just refreshing this poll with four days left even though its 5 to 1 in favor of one type over the other.
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Re: The Ultimate Elemental Destroyer: the Grand and Great Komodo
« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2020, 02:34:00 PM »

Tomorrow is the last day for votes here folks so get your opinions in!
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