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Takiro - Alternate BattleTech Universe: Clans Ubar Alles « on: March 01, 2007, 03:34:05 PM »

The year is 3060 and the Clans have conquered the InnerSphere after their victory over the ComGuards on Tukayyid.

So how would you partition the InnerSphere after their victory on Tukayyid?

Who becomes the ilClan?

17 Clans (including Burrock)

17 Regions
New Avalon (Crucis March)
Syrtis (Capellan March)
Robinson (Draconis March)
Tharkad (Protectorate of Donegal)
Tamar (Tamar March plus)
Bolan (Bolan March plus)
Atreus (Lyran Side of FWL)
Oriente (Capellan Side of FWL)
Regulas (Central FWL)
Sian (Capellan Confederation)
Sarna (Sarna March plus)
Terra (Terran Hegemony plus)
Skye (Skye Federation plus)
Rasalhague (Rasalhague territories)
Luthien (Pesht Military District)
Galedon (Galedon Military District)
Benjamin (Benjamin Military District)

Expanded Periphery Powers
Rim Collection gains a lot of former Steiner worlds
Magistracy of Canopus gains back its former Marik worlds and Andurien
Taurian Concordat gains back its former Davion worlds
Filvelt Coalition is a remanant of the Federated Suns
Outworlds Alliance also gains back its fomer worlds
Marian Hegemony uses IS troops to expand its borders


Looking forward to your comments.  Wink

MechRat Re: Alternate BattleTech Universe: Clans Ubar Alles « Reply #1 on: March 01, 2007, 10:04:22 PM »

Why would the Periphery powers gain territory? IIRC the Clans considered the Periphery less than desirable, but when you've got the Great Houses under your control, why stop there? The Clans could always send their second-line, Solhama, and training units to eliminate the dezgra Periphery nations that would most certainly be nipping at their heels. Also, with the Inner Sphere finally under the Clans' dominion, the front-line warriors would need honorable combat to keep their skills sharp. Trials among the other Clans can only accomplish so much.

Takiro Re: Alternate BattleTech Universe: Clans Ubar Alles « Reply #2 on: March 01, 2007, 10:32:04 PM »

Well I suppose you can only eat so much before becoming full. There would still be plenty of rebels and fringe states around the Clans in this setting for now as they attempt to assimilate their new territories. Hence you get House Remnants and Expnaded Periphery powers out near the edges as the Clans conquer all. But that is a future conflict? What do you think happens after Tukkayid?

I figure the battle for ilClan comes down to Wolf and Jade Falcon. Who wins?
ComStar now soley defended by ROM gets WOB fanatical in its defense of Terra.
This and other futile efforts by the Houses bring the wrath of the Clans.
This destruction might turn some people torwards the Clan way.
Does Hanse Davion go down with a final fight?
What of Thomas Marik, does he aid ComStar?
As the original Invading Clans speed torwards Earth the Home Clans clean up.
Do Focht and the ComGuards become honored Clansmen?

Again were would you put the Clans and why?

lrose Re: Alternate BattleTech Universe: Clans Ubar Alles « Reply #3 on: March 02, 2007, 09:24:44 AM »

Quote from: MechRat on March 01, 2007, 10:04:22 PM
Why would the Periphery powers gain territory? IIRC the Clans considered the Periphery less than desirable, but when you've got the Great Houses under your control, why stop there?

First you're assuming the IS Houses would go along with the result of Tukayyid- In theory Comstar would surrender to the Clans but I doubt the IS houses would and even if the houses did it seems likely that there would be a lot of resistance.  The problem the clans have is their small militaries- even with all 17 clans in the IS they wouldn't be able to garrison all the worlds they control.

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The Clans could always send their second-line, Solhama, and training units to eliminate the dezgra Periphery nations that would most certainly be nipping at their heels. Also, with the Inner Sphere finally under the Clans' dominion, the front-line warriors would need honorable combat to keep their skills sharp. Trials among the other Clans can only accomplish so much.

Since the Periphery states would know the Clans were the former SL I suspect the Periphery powers would fight like it was the Reunification War- no quarter asked, no quarter given.  I suspect the clanners would find little honorable combat in the Periphery-


Takiro Re: Alternate BattleTech Universe: Clans Ubar Alles « Reply #4 on: March 02, 2007, 05:28:43 PM »

Quote from: lrose on March 02, 2007, 09:24:44 AM
First you're assuming the IS Houses would go along with the result of Tukayyid- In theory Comstar would surrender to the Clans but I doubt the IS houses would and even if the houses did it seems likely that there would be a lot of resistance.  The problem the clans have is their small militaries- even with all 17 clans in the IS they wouldn't be able to garrison all the worlds they control.

No not really. I did not explain how this all came to pass just in case someone wanted to change the details to fit a particular view. In my opinion if the ComGuards lose to the Clans on Tukayyid I figure that their remaining forces would honorably surrender led by Focht. Primus Waterly would no doubt renounce the trail and pronounce Focht a traitor. Then she would move with ROM as the Orders sole remaining weapon to best protect herself. Of course I would have to assume that Operation Scorpion would fail as it did in canon. This might really screw the Houses. Could they run the HPG net? Kurita, Davion, and Steiner would probably try as Marik and Liao might join in some sort of ComStar Alliance. Betrayed by Operation Scorpion and counseled by Focht the Clans race towards Terra anticipating the worst fighting. As the Invading Clans go onto Terra the Home Clans are activiated either after the Scorpion betrayal or some other ROM sponsered atriocity. Their objectives would be the pacification of the Great Houses. Ultimately as you will see Jade Falcon and Wolf become the clear front runners leaving the other Clans behind in their race towards Terra. In 3057 they arrive and Jade Falcon apparently wins the ilClanship only to be thwarted by Vlad of the Wolves who slays the new ilKhan Crichell. This result helps Wolf become the ilClan and Jade Falcon departs to finish off the ComStar Alliance hold up in the FWL. What do you think?

Quote from: lrose on March 02, 2007, 09:24:44 AM
Since the Periphery states would know the Clans were the former SL I suspect the Periphery powers would fight like it was the Reunification War- no quarter asked, no quarter given.  I suspect the clanners would find little honorable combat in the Periphery-

Correct. The Clans are streched pretty thin after subduing the InnerSphere and agree to a partition. The Periphery powers are swelled by escapees from the Houses and will fight till the bitter end if attacked.

Takiro Re: Alternate BattleTech Universe: Clans Ubar Alles « Reply #5 on: March 02, 2007, 07:06:37 PM »

Ok how is this for a breakdown?

Star Adder / New Avalon (Crucis March minus)
Ice Hellion / Syrtis (Capellan March minus)
Blood Spirit / Robinson (Draconis March minus)
Cloud Cobra / Tharkad (Protectorate of Donegal minus)
Hell’s Horses / Tamar (Tamar March plus)
Burrock / Bolan (Bolan March plus)
Jade Falcon / Atreus (Lyran Side of FWL)
Snow Raven / Oriente (Capellan Side of FWL)
Steel Viper / Regulas (Central FWL)
Goliath Scorpion / Sian (Capellan Confederation plus)
Diamond Shark / Sarna (Sarna March plus)
Wolf / Terra (Terran Hegemony plus)


Coyote / Skye (Skye Federation plus)
Clan Coyote were close behind Wolf and Jade Falcon as they raced towards Earth with their eyes on Skye. Intent on conquering this valuable industrial region for the Clans they encountered fierce resistance and difficult obstacles. The Clan’s traditional combat style proved to be a liability when fighting the native populace but overwhelming force and superior technology eventually won the day. With each major battle (first on Freedom and then on Skye) the Coyote’s got better at dealing with dishonorable Spheroid tactics. The climatic battle of Hesperus proved once and for all that the Coyote’s had overcome these dezgra opponents. Resistance from the Free Skye movement still continues despite these military victories which the Clan Watch is still struggling to defeat.

Ghost Bear / Rasalhague (Rasalhague territories)
Even after Tukayyid the Ghost Bears continued the invasion at a cautious pace apparently content with their Rasalhague holdings. Their strategy became even more clear as the Home Clans dashed into the InnerSphere in pursuit of territory but poor in their understanding of the InnerSphere’s fighting technique. As the Bears consolidated their Spheroid worlds they were a step ahead of the other invaders and augment the Home Clans (especially Snow Raven a close ally) efforts to subdue the Successor States. With that conquest complete the Bears aren’t in any rush to start another conflict with the Periphery until the Clans as a whole are ready.

Nova Cat / Luthien (Pesht Military District)
Clan Nova Cat drove into the Pesht Military District rather than making a push for Terra itself almost immediately after the Battle of Tukayyid was concluded. Apparently guided by their strange visions the Clan went onto conquer Pesht, Kagoshima, and finally Luthien ending organized resistance by the Dragon. Their capture of Minoru (Kurita) and his assimilation in Nova Cat society as Oathmaster has done much to subdue their new populace. While some questioned the wisdom of their actions during the drive towards Terra the Nova Cats newfound strength has done much to quiet any critics outside the Clans.

Fire Mandrill / Galedon (Galedon Military District)
The Fire Mandrills were one of the first Home Clans to answer the call to arms following Operation Scorpion and immediately targeted the Galedon Military District of the Draconis Combine as their area of responsibility. This unified action surprised many in the Clans who expected the Mandrill Kindraa to go off in several different directions. However, they all agreed that Galedon was to be their new home as it was were the Exodus began on New Samarkand. Overcoming fierce resistance from the last Kurita soldiers they managed to conquer their area in good order and with a minimum of infighting. With the Dragon defeated the Kindraa are now back at each other throats fighting for key territory even while the migration from the homeworlds continues.

Smoke Jaguar / Benjamin (Benjamin Military District)
After the carnage of Tukayyid and Luthien the Jaguars are left behind by the Falcon and the Wolf despite giving it their best effort. They content themselves instead with the old Benjamin Military District of the defunct Draconis Combine. The lands of the Jaguar are in flux to say the least while they focus on rebuilding their battered touman. Some natives who were formerly staunch Kurita loyalists have found that life under this Clan isn’t so bad but the warrior caste’s attitude towards their newly ruled populace isn’t helping integration. Of course this conservative Clan hasn’t adopted any native presence into its governing preferring to rule by sheer force of will.

wolfcannon Re: Alternate BattleTech Universe: Clans Ubar Alles « Reply #6 on: March 02, 2007, 08:43:45 PM »

hmm they way i remember the clan invasion was to get to terra and reconquer the old hegemony worlds.  that aside any territory captured from the great houses was extra.   the desire of the invasion was to recreate the star league and enforce it upon the peoples of the inner sphere.

blacktigeractual Re: Alternate BattleTech Universe: Clans Ubar Alles « Reply #7 on: May 12, 2007, 07:18:50 AM »

The one problem with the Clans being supreme is numbers, CBT has always had a problem with the sheer size of just one world.  Even the Crucis Lancers (all of em) really aren't enough to hold Tikonov (4th War). My gang and I tossed this around for a while and came up with several points.
1-Terra (gotta love her ) X billion people with thousands of years of history behind them....
2-The Clans No concept of real war, Deliberately limiting warfare to minimize destruction of property and waste of recources.
3- Chemical, Biological, and Nuclear weapons.
Our endgame went like this:  the (insert Clan of Choice) invades Terra, ComStar surrenders, Terra waits and by the end of the week the last Clanner is dying of Ptomane poisoning or has his or her throat slit, I mean c'mon NYC alone could eat a Galaxy whole. Just imagine Bejing or Moscow.
Oddly enough we figured on a reborn Terran nation whith reverse engineered clan tech by '60 or so, roughly the size of the Chaos March.
But then again my battle for Tycross ended with the Militia wiping out the Falcon Gaurds and the 305 Assault Cluster, all you need is time, space and numbers.

Takiro Re: Alternate BattleTech Universe: Clans Ubar Alles « Reply #8 on: May 12, 2007, 07:51:55 AM »

Well your points may work in the Clans favor. To beat the Clans if they loss at Tukayyid you'd need to resort to Chemical, Biological, and Nuclear weapons. This act would not only bring fierce retribution from the Clans but a general disgust on behalf of the populace. The Clan Way could then look better then endless war and tremedous collatral damage done by the Great Houses.

Granted if the Clans conquer the place and mistreat the populace as a whole there would be hell to pay and I do see the Clans being less Orthodox lets say after their win but a Clan victory could happen.

BattleTech doesn't really work using real world numbers. Granted one of the reasons the Federated Suns was always scarred of the Capellans and why the Terrans will eventually survive the 1st Succession War was their huge native populations who grow more fanatical as you drive deeper into their space. Eventually you'd have to wipe them all out to win.

War is the final arguement we humans have remember. It is all about willpower. Whoever losses their first will lose the conflict.

blacktigeractual Re: Alternate BattleTech Universe: Clans Ubar Alles « Reply #9 on: May 13, 2007, 05:00:27 AM »

Actually the fanaticism is my point.  To the average Terran the Clans are guilty of treason and desertion in the face of the enemy.  There is ,to my mind, no getting around that so it might be the populace who does the mistreatment.