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Post-1SW: How would ComStar react to becoming irrelevant?
« on: July 13, 2011, 03:42:31 AM »

  The year is 2827; the place is Terra.  ComStar has just emerged from its reformation from a corporation into a techno-cult; the echoes of Schwepps' failed 'Restore the Hegemony' movement (and the resultant purges) are still fading from Hilton Head, but even after the purges, a secular ComStar remains within living memory.  Terra's infrastructure (including military production capability) has been rebuilt in the last four decades, and some living Terrans can still remember a time when the Cradle of Humanity was the centre of a mighty empire (and the young'uns who've heard their stories are starting to dream of restoring it).  ROM is starting to put together a proper overseas-black-ops arm from leftover TH manuals and the scattered, tattered shreds of the old TH intelligence apparatus, but they're a long way from the heights of capability they would have reached in later centuries and Operation HOLY SHROUD is still two decades in a future that will never come.  The First Succession War has petered out, but the Second is on the horizon - partly because ComStar is rewriting peoples' HPG-mail to make sure it starts, and soon.

  Suddenly, Primus Conrad Toyama gets a private message.  A junior member of ComStar who despises Toyama's remaking the organisation into a false church has found a form of FTL communications that's a viable alternative to the HPG and, mostly just to gore Conrad's ox, has already distributed it to the Successor States.  "Say 'goodbye' to 99% of ComStar's income and the same degree of its influence over the course of the Succession Wars, Conrad.  If you want to engineer that 'sacred' monopoly over technology you claim Blake foresaw and turn ComStar into the Inner Sphere's dominant power, you're going to have to do it the hard way."

  Once Toyama's finished saying "Well, crap!" and dispatching a kill-team after the disaffected twerp who just FUBAR'd his master plan... what does he do?  How does ComStar react to (the prospect of) becoming a bankrupt irrelevance?  Jihad?  Mass interdiction?  Reconquer the Hegemony to mollify Terra's populace (and maintain control/stay alive)?  All of these and more?
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Re: Post-1SW: How would ComStar react to becoming irrelevant?
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2011, 05:44:58 AM »

The very thought of Toyama being screwed over makes me smile.
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Re: Post-1SW: How would ComStar react to becoming irrelevant?
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2011, 08:09:37 AM »

Whoa Harsh News but he deserves it
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Re: Post-1SW: How would ComStar react to becoming irrelevant?
« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2011, 11:34:56 AM »

Timing is everything.

Not sure if Conrad's ComStar could pull of anything short of a mass (and certainly ineffectual long-term) Interdiction. Then again, the immediate Interdiction will have the desired effect of slowing the turning wheels down. If the technology you mentioned was just handed off, it could be years, maybe decades before a state's worlds could utilize it - after all these things have to get built, installed, etc. An interdiction could slow that process down even further - thereby giving Conrad what he needs the most: Time.

Time to say, do some of the other things you mentioned - like conquer parts of the Hegemony, etc. Toyama would need time to gear up and train a war effort, which an Interdiction might allow him to do if Terra was fully behind him. It's not a sacred cow of course and someone could go and screw his plans by just invading Terra after an Interdiction (and just deal with the fallout), or circumvent the effects of the Interdiction faster than Toyama planned for - the point being there are any number of possible wrenches that could be thrown into the mix.

IMO, I'd say a Jihad is out of the question - the House Lords are still way more sophisticated technologically, and a level of parity between ROM and the SpecOps groups of the House Lords is roughly analogous to one another, so that isn't an edge either. Plus, outside of some mercenaries and a few over the hill ex-SLDF soldiers ComStar doesn't have anything even remotely resembling a functional military. None of the support apparatuses or infrastructure (heck even real institutional memory) that the old ComGuard, and then WoB militia uses to prepare for war even exists. Doubtful also is any of the really experimental technology either, like the super-jump (which makes a Jihad with a small force even remotely possible) available for use at the moment. Same with sufficient WarShips, etc. These things can eventually be used, they'll just need to be built, which requires time and resources. Resources you can fudge - nationalization anyone?! But, time you cannot. 

That's a major mark against.

So time seems to be a deciding factor here.   
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Re: Post-1SW: How would ComStar react to becoming irrelevant?
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2011, 08:30:51 PM »

I concur: time will be the deciding factor. I think though, that Toyama would have enough intelligence assets to recover/destroy at least some of the copies. This would slow development down, if not stop it. Remember, the succesor states are busy gearing up for round two of galactic war, and so are more focused on their enemies than the phone company.

Also, are we talking black box fax technology? If so, Comstar will still be relevant for having better/faster FTL communication. If we're talking about something totally new, then the successor states would be in no position to drop ComStar's services anytime soon (if the development of newtech like RACs and compact components are any indication)
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Re: Post-1SW: How would ComStar react to becoming irrelevant?
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2011, 01:08:50 AM »

He needs time and he needs to be careful going off half cocked against the house lords is like playing tag with a full grown grizzly bear while naked and smeared in honey.
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Re: Post-1SW: How would ComStar react to becoming irrelevant?
« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2011, 08:45:40 AM »

I concur: time will be the deciding factor. I think though, that Toyama would have enough intelligence assets to recover/destroy at least some of the copies. This would slow development down, if not stop it. Remember, the succesor states are busy gearing up for round two of galactic war, and so are more focused on their enemies than the phone company.

...which they're only able to do because each House Lord is safe in the knowledge that lines of communication are secure and neutral (thank you ComStar.) Pull that rug out from beneath their feet and all bets on "focus" are off.

As much as ComStar would hate to admit it, but agreeing (regardless of the necessity) to be a neutral communication's provider made (at the very minimum) the Second Succession War possible. The 1SW was going to happen in some shape or form, but there was no reason the 2SW couldn't have been mitigated or modified - then again, good planning goes a long way.  ;) 

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Re: Post-1SW: How would ComStar react to becoming irrelevant?
« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2011, 10:25:02 AM »

Trying to get the tech under control by sending special forces teams?
Or trying to make a win-win deal with the Inner Sphere States by offering to help them to develop and turn this tech into a viable alternative?
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Re: Post-1SW: How would ComStar react to becoming irrelevant?
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2011, 09:56:52 AM »

Trying to get the tech under control by sending special forces teams?
Or trying to make a win-win deal with the Inner Sphere States by offering to help them to develop and turn this tech into a viable alternative?

Interesting option there; if the tech can't be stolen/destroyed, then subvert it into another lever of control over the IS. Sort of a "embrace, extinguish" approach?
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Re: Post-1SW: How would ComStar react to becoming irrelevant?
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2011, 01:36:18 PM »

Interesting option there; if the tech can't be stolen/destroyed, then subvert it into another lever of control over the IS. Sort of a "embrace, extinguish" approach?

Exactly.
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Re: Post-1SW: How would ComStar react to becoming irrelevant?
« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2011, 07:46:00 PM »

I think an interdiction would keep ComStar in business long term as the Succession Lords would have little option but to turn back to ComStar to get the HPGs running again, they don't have the telephone companies manpower or expertise in this area.

Sure the Succession States are going to be watching ComStar in the future and likely the raising of the ComGuards is probably going to be noticed and ComStar is going to have to constantly watch for Succession State agents on Terra as they now know ComStar could be a threat.

But...

Retaking/remaking the Terran Hegemony is the path to destruction the Succession States would rip ComStar to pieces purely because they don't have the manpower to take five states at once.

Taking Terra by a Succession State almost no chance because ComStar still have significant assets there and each State is going to pound the other to pieces before letting them get near it.  Only reason they all got to Terra in Stoner's era is because they all hated Blake.  A random email saying ComStar is nasty here's some proof isn't a call to arms and alliance for all the states - could actually push them away in some cases.

Most importantly the Second Succession War I think would still happen.  The Succession States that lost out in the 1st will still want what they lost back and those that were successful will want to push further.  Also IIRC all still want to be First Lord and the only way to do that is a) stop my first point - no reborn Hegemony b) take terra c) destroy the other Succession States.

Unfortunately ComStar made itself and Terra an non-entity early on by saying stay off Terra its neutral and under our neutral aegis.  I think the Succession States like this in the Succession Wars because it is the one thing that could destroy eveything - if they all went for Terra it would be a meat grinder none would win - it being neutral under the manipulator's grasp is better than another state having it and the legitimacy that would give them.

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Re: Post-1SW: How would ComStar react to becoming irrelevant?
« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2011, 08:29:48 PM »

I think an interdiction would keep ComStar in business long term as the Succession Lords would have little option but to turn back to ComStar to get the HPGs running again, they don't have the telephone companies manpower or expertise in this area.
This is before Holy Shroud, isn't it?  In which case, there are still plenty of people who probably understand how HPGs work in the Successor States.  Heck, even in 3052, when the average education level in the IS was far below what it was in 2827 when this happens, and even then the FedCom was able to operate the HPGs following Waterly's Operation Scorpion.  At least according to the fiction.  Such a feat would be far, far easier in 2827.  And I'd say it was only the Great House's preoccupation with their own squabbles which allowed ComStar to consolidate its strength in the canon history; if they go provoking the Great Houses this early in the game, no single House even has to bother seizing Terra (though it would be a quick and easy fight); rather, they just need to seize the ComStar HPGs in their states and put some people who know how to operate them (or who can likely figure it out) and all communications will be back up.

ComStar running the HPGs was a convenience for the Great Houses, as it meant they could pay a nominal fee for message traffic and not have to worry about the logistics of operating the HPG network.  Remove that convenience, or actually do an IS-wide Interdiction, and suddenly they have every incentive to nationalize the HPGs in their territory, and in 2827 doubtless still have the educated workforce to pull such a thing off. 
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Re: Post-1SW: How would ComStar react to becoming irrelevant?
« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2011, 07:14:47 PM »

But following the first which was quite devastating on its own they'd rather concentrate on Mech/WarShip production trying to rebuild their battered militaries.

Even if I didn't think I could trust ComStar 100% I'd rather have a military force capable of defending me than worry about Terra.

Sure I'd want to double check my comms maybe use more keywords in them to confirm they are authenticate but ComStar is still an organisation that has its uses, ie Telephone company.

With the mistrust toward ComStar higher I can see this maybe delaying the 2nd War by a decade or so however because in that ten years they (Succession States) could rebuild even more of previous strength the 2nd War would more than likely be as devastating as the 1st and you're back to square one trusting the Telephone company with comms
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