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Cameron's Nightmare
« on: May 12, 2012, 08:37:47 PM »

The year is 2556 and the Treaty of Geneva has just been signed by Ian Cameron, Albert Marik, and Terrence Liao. Reading the writing on the wall Coordinator Hehiro Kurita calls a meeting with First Prince Alexander Davion. Kurita blatantly admits that any effort to blame the Von Rohrs dynasty for the past bloodshed would be pointless. Yes these proud sovereigns while traditional enemies now have a common threat which may unite them. Will the two realms with the greatest martial prowess meekly bow down before a Nerdy Cameron, a Greedy Marik, and a conniving Liao or will they stand together as sovereign nations in defense of their principles. Not only does Lord Kurita propose an immediate cease fire ending all hostilities on this basis of mutual respect and honor but he insists on an alliance to counterbalance Cameron's new League. Impressed with this blunt honesty and facing the distasteful prospect of submitting to foreign rule Prince Davion agrees. On May 12th 2557 the Treaty of Tancredi is signed by the Coordinator Hehiro Kurita and Prince Alexander Davion.

Both sides focus their efforts on convincing Archon Tracial Steiner to join their respective alliance. Prince Alexander Davion as the natural ally to the Commonwealth takes the lead for his new alliance. He faces an uphill struggle convincing the Lyrans to ally with the Dragon who have had far more bloodshed at the hands of the Dracs then the Davions. While Alexander continues to press his case and watches the Star League influence grow the Coordinator travels to Taurus. Not only does he convince the Concordat to join his counteralliance but the Magistracy of Canopus quickly follows in November of 2557. Alluding to a trip to the Rim in order to sign a similar agreement events take a different turn. Calling upon House Amaris the Star League manages to snatch up the Rim Worlds into its camp but in doing so threatens the Archon destroying much of the goodwill previously built between the League and the Commonwealth.

What do you think folks? Neat alternate?

Inspired by paragraph one - Muddy Waters - page 12 - Era Reports 2750
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Re: Cameron's Nightmare
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2012, 02:59:04 AM »

Terran Hegemony/Free Worlds League/Capellan Confederation/Rim Worlds Republic vs Draconis Combine/Federated Suns/Lyran Commonwealth/Taurian Concordat/Magistracy of Canopus?

What exactly would be in the Treaty of Tancredi?
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Re: Cameron's Nightmare
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2012, 06:01:32 AM »

Considering the description of the Taurian's in the Re-unification War, they clearly consider the FedSun's their largest threat, with the CapCon a close second.   

I somehow doubt they'd sign up with the Treaty of Tancredi.

Ian Cameron on the other hand the instant the Treaty of Tancredi is signed has every reason to court the Taurian's heavily.

Apart from their Fleet, the second highest GNP per person, possessed of a supremely well protected core, and put bluntly right against the Davion hinterland. 

At first I'd suggest technology transfers (such as how to build Megaton ships), and a few other sweeteners, along with some unsuitable prodding to enter into an arms build up.

Even if the Taurian's don't officially join up with the Star League, the build up of forces along the TC/FedSuns border requires additional unit's to be stationed there.

Sure they'd likely be forces shifted from the Draconis border, but that means forces not moved against the Hegemony.

The Taurian's joining the Star League, assisted by Hegemony intelligence, mean's the TC's likely to begin plotting to do bad things to the FedSun's Fleet.

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Re: Cameron's Nightmare
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2012, 07:18:52 AM »

What exactly would be in the Treaty of Tancredi?

The Treaty of Tancredi would be most similar to the Concord of Kapetyn. It is a direct counteralliance to the Star League (taking on the role of the Federated Commonwealth) which it sees as a threat to their memberships' continued independence. Staving off the foreign dominance of the Camerons would be paramount. To that end political cooperation would be pledged, trade barriers are dropped, scientific exchanges are encouraged, and military operations coordinated. Certainly it is a more loose knit organization than the Star League but this Stellar Alliance lets call it will not accept foreign rule.

Considering the description of the Taurian's in the Re-unification War, they clearly consider the FedSun's their largest threat, with the CapCon a close second.   

I somehow doubt they'd sign up with the Treaty of Tancredi.

I'd somehow doubt that the Draconis Combine and the Federated Suns could work together as well. But in this alternate Hehiro Kurita is pitching the truth and if he can work with the Davies why can't the Concordat? He doesn't trust Davion either but this isn't about trust. This is about maintaining our independence from Terra. Besides the Taurians have yet to engage in a major war with the Federated Suns but they have with the backstabbing Capellans who are part of this Star League. Can you trust them anymore or do you want to bend the knee to the Camerons? Our new alliance is all about maintaining its memberships sovereignty an ideal the Calderons value. Besides the Canopians would be very receptive to the initial pitch and could also help convince the Taurians.

Ian Cameron on the other hand the instant the Treaty of Tancredi is signed has every reason to court the Taurian's heavily.

Apart from their Fleet, the second highest GNP per person, possessed of a supremely well protected core, and put bluntly right against the Davion hinterland. 

At first I'd suggest technology transfers (such as how to build Megaton ships), and a few other sweeteners, along with some unsuitable prodding to enter into an arms build up.

Even if the Taurian's don't officially join up with the Star League, the build up of forces along the TC/FedSuns border requires additional unit's to be stationed there.

Sure they'd likely be forces shifted from the Draconis border, but that means forces not moved against the Hegemony.

The Taurian's joining the Star League, assisted by Hegemony intelligence, mean's the TC's likely to begin plotting to do bad things to the FedSun's Fleet.

But the price you must pay to the Star League is fealty to the Camerons. In one form or another it is accepting rulership from Terra and a foreign sovereign. Are the Taurians willing to cast their lot with them or a mutual defense pact committed to the defense of its own members?  ;)
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Re: Cameron's Nightmare
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2012, 10:57:03 AM »

Interesting it would be a nightmare for Cameron all right
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Re: Cameron's Nightmare
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2012, 09:08:31 PM »

My opinion would be that the Taurians wouls stay neutral and pick up the pieces, becoming stronger by selling to all parties.  Both alliances would be riven with self interest and mistrust and the stress of this more complex politcal situation could pull apart both alliances in a few years.
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Re: Cameron's Nightmare
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2012, 11:16:11 PM »

I have to agree with Blacknova- I see the TC staying neutral.  Maybe they play each side off of each other - but never firmly committing to an alliance. 
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Re: Cameron's Nightmare
« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2012, 12:32:05 AM »


But the price you must pay to the Star League is fealty to the Camerons. In one form or another it is accepting rulership from Terra and a foreign sovereign. Are the Taurians willing to cast their lot with them or a mutual defense pact committed to the defense of its own members?  ;)

To be honest the TC's likely to tell both sides to *Bleep*.

But embedded in my previous post was the idea that Cameron and the Star League don't need the Taurian's to join, they just need the TC to engage in a serious build up of arms. A build up aided by technology transfer and dirt cheap licenses.

What happens in the 2560's if the Taurian's are starting to produce design's in the same weight class as the Dreadnought or Atreus, or more likely cruisers that would give TH contemporary's such as the Avatar an equal fight.


You get a dynamic where suddenly the FedSun's has been pincered between the biggest Fleet, and a significant naval power rapidly updating and upgrading it's major combatants.  Not to mention it's regiments are seeing TH and FWL Mech designs being added to their ranks.

The main goal here is force the FedSun's and the Combine into a major naval arm's building race.  A race neither economy is well suited to win at this point in time. 

Victory by force, or victory by outspending the other side.   

In this setup the FedSun's and Combine are going to need resources now, and the immediate target is the Outworlds Alliance who are going to get steamrolled.

To try and sum up the Hegemony doesn't exactly need the TC to join the Star League, they just need the TC to start acting a manner that shapes the coming confrontation into one that favors it.

Aka turn the fight into one of Naval & Economic dominance, not one of how many / effective regiments one raise.   

Sorry hope this helps make my point clear.

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Re: Cameron's Nightmare
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2012, 05:00:03 PM »

As a predominantly agrarian society, the Outworlds doesn't exactly offer a useful target to the Draconis/Federated bloc.  The Taurians moreso, but remember that the Davions seem to have a facility for using unconventional means to influence events in other countries -- they might play up Liao threat to the Concordat; a Taurian/FedSuns alliance is no more unthinkable than a Combine/FedSuns alliance.  The Capellans didn't have a huge reason to trust the Mariks when they signed their alliance -- the Mariks had stolen almost as many Capellan worlds in the Succession Wars as the Davions. 

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Re: Cameron's Nightmare
« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2012, 09:24:29 PM »

The Capellans didn't have a huge reason to trust the Mariks when they signed their alliance -- the Mariks had stolen almost as many Capellan worlds in the Succession Wars as the Davions. 

The Capellans participation in Kaptyen was clearly motivated by fear - which overrode their natural distrust and hatred for the Free Worlds League. By the same token, when push came to shove, no signers of the Accord actually kept their end of the bargain. It was a hollow alliance through and through.

That said, I think you're missing a key piece of information Fitz. An often overlooked piece of canon (not currently retconned), was that the Terran Hegemony was running low on natural resources, and was having trouble maintaining the forward acceleration on its economy.

According to the SLSB, one of the primary motivations for forming the Star League was to feed raw materials into the hungry Hegemony economy by tapping into the vast untapped territories of the Member-States (later they stripped the Territorial States for the same reason.)

Again, this is a canon explanation written by ComStar on the subject.

If it were "true" by in-universe standards, then the Terran Hegemony would have run into some economic problems around the 80s-90s. (Interestingly, the Reunification War still created a recession, but it was pan-Sphere instead of just the Hegemony.)

Not sure if they could maintain an arms race beyond what the HAF was already sporting (2x times the largest Inner Sphere army/navy.)

Just something to think about. 
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Re: Cameron's Nightmare
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2012, 02:57:37 AM »


Not sure if they could maintain an arms race beyond what the HAF was already sporting (2x times the largest Inner Sphere army/navy.)

Just something to think about.

Again my apologies it seems I didn't clarify my point properly

My thought that was that even without an actual alliance, the TH and the HAF would see benefits from helping the TC rapidly expanding both the tonnage and quality of it's Fleet.

Essentially forcing the AFFS to make a rather difficult choice. Does it build the Navy up (a traditionally weak element of the AFFS focused mainly on escorting armies) at cost to other military spending, or accept the current situation and try and make the coming fight one that focuses on the areas of the AFFS strength (aka the Army).  Or does the FedSuns bite the bullet and start taxing even more on a weak economy to do both.

Of course the best solution would be get an alliance with the Taurian's for the FedSuns.

Although I could see the Lyran's and the TC telling both parties "Hey you want war materials, we've got your war materials right here. What am I bid?"

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