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Kerensky Remains: No Exodus
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Takiro - Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « on: November 12, 2006, 11:15:10 AM »

Ok this always seems to be a big topic on any BattleTech site. What if Kerensky didn't leave. He decides to stay with the Terran Hegemony. Discuss.  ;)

Takiro Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #1 on: November 12, 2006, 11:54:32 AM »

Okay so let it begin in February 2784. After laughing off the possiblity of an Exodus he decides to stay and restore the Hegemony working for an eventual return of the Star League. Kerensky is nominated by the Hegemony Council (the Terran High Council) and overwhelmingly elected the next Director-General of the Terran Hegemony by the overjoyed populace.

Recognizing that the SL has ended more House personnel leave the SLDF as it becomes a renewed Hegemony Armed Forces (HAF).

Takiro Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #2 on: November 12, 2006, 12:16:54 PM »

Okay I'm saying Kerensky retains the Star League Navy in its entirety. All 402 warships plus a few that can now be repaired since the SLDF isn't fleeing the InnerSphere. So the HAF Navy compares very favorably to the Great Houses which field only a few more ships say a little over 500.

Ground forces are another story however. Researching...

Calderon Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #3 on: November 13, 2006, 06:35:16 PM »

If that happened your Terran Repbulic wouldn't be the way you imagined.

Takiro Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #4 on: November 13, 2006, 09:19:07 PM »

You are certainly correct Calderon. My Terran Republic still has Kerensky leaving with the SLDF at about the same strength it was. Perhaps a few personnel changes but that is it. MWGalaxy started a discussion of this little eventuality over on the CBT Forums. Now this isn't the first time it has come up. Over on CBT or Heavy Metal Pro Forums but I wanted to give some of my thoughts and hear your opinions on this alternate. I apologize for being side tracked. It has kept me from completing a more detailed look at the breakdown of the SLDF ground forces.

Without specifics I think it would go like this. Royal units being stocked with Terran personnel only stay with Kerensky's Hegemony. As do the former Non-Exdous forces that stayed with ComStar in canon. The rest are a wash. Split 6 major ways (I think Terra gets a cut as well as the 5 Great Houses). Maybe some personnel go to the Periphery. Now some major story threads.

1. Does a or multiple SL unit refuse to leave its InnerSphere post, more specifically Eridani Light Horse? What might happen?
2. The Hegemony still faces resource extinction like my Terran Republic. So do they also garrison the remains of the RWR and start extracted raw materials needed for production.
3. Would there be an alliance between the TH and friendly realms?
4. Is Kerensky an isolationist or a peacemaker? Does he wall of Terra or get involved actively in diplomacy and or peacekeeping?
5. Does Kenyon Marik and the Draconis Combine still test the Hegemony's patience with invasions? The renewed HAF is much more formidable than TRAS. Or is Terra neutral.
6. What of Blake and ComStar?
7. Is Nicky next in line? Is he mad? Or since he never got Brain Fever on the Pentagon Worlds just a normal Kerensky?

Calderon Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #5 on: November 13, 2006, 11:53:57 PM »

What do you think the odds of him still being as upset with houses to causing him to leave will turn into him deciding to just conquer the houses and try instate marshall law in the area he controls.

Knightmare Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #6 on: November 17, 2006, 12:20:03 AM »

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Quote from: Takiro on November 13, 2006, 09:19:07 PM
You are certainly correct Calderon. My Terran Republic still has Kerensky leaving with the SLDF at about the same strength it was. Perhaps a few personnel changes but that is it. MWGalaxy started a discussion of this little eventuality over on the CBT Forums. Now this isn't the first time it has come up. Over on CBT or Heavy Metal Pro Forums but I wanted to give some of my thoughts and hear your opinions on this alternate. I apologize for being side tracked. It has kept me from completing a more detailed look at the breadown of the SLDF ground forces.

Without specifics I think it would go like this. Royal units being stocked with Terran personnel only stay with Kerensky's Hegemony. As do the former Non-Exdous forces that stayed with ComStar in canon. The rest are a wash. Split 6 major ways (I think Terra gets a cut as well as the 5 Great Houses). Maybe some personnel go to the Periphery. Now some major story threads.

1. Does a or multiple SL unit refuse to leave its InnerSphere post, more specifically Eridani Light Horse? What might happen?
2. The Hegemony still faces resource extinction like my Terran Republic. So do they also garrison the remains of the RWR and start extracted raw materials needed for production.
3. Would there be an alliance between the TH and friendly realms?
4. Is Kerensky an isolationist or a peacemaker? Does he wall of Terra or get involved actively in diplomacy and or peacekeeping?
5. Does Kenyon Marik and the Draconis Combien still test the Hegemony's patience with invasions? The renewed HAF is much more formidable than TRAS. Or is Terra neutral.
6. What of Blake and ComStar?
7. Is Nicky next in line? Is he mad? Or since he never got Brain Fever on the Pentagon Worlds just a normal Kerensky?

In order...

1. Depending on Kerensky's rant after deciding to remain in the Sphere, you could see quiet a large percentage of the remaining SLDF joining renewed HAF.
2. Possibly, but given Kerensky's censure of the Archon for their "occupation" of soon-to-be ex-Republican worlds. You're probably more likely to see Kerensky rebuild the Periphery nation (like after the Reunification War) while conducting fair trade to bolster his nation's sagging resources. He'll be more concerned with rebuilding and repairing the Terran state's infrastructure to worry about a forced occupation.
3. The Federated Suns would certainly hold hands with Kerensky. The DC and the FWL would most certainly be hostile. Realms like the CC and the LC would probably ride the fence. Given Kerensky's censure the LC could be persuaded to renew its old relationship with the Hegemony if they were handed some technology or trade concessions.
4. Hardcore Peacemaker. This man shuttled around the Inner Sphere for two years before deciding on the Exodus. Cripes he took fleeing the Inner Sphere as a means to prevent war. And I don't think he would even have the choice of walling off the Hegemony. In the realm's devastated state, only positive relationships with those surrounding its borders will ensure its continued survival. If Kerensky did stick around, you would probably see much of the same "shuttle diplomacy" he worked before the Exodus, but in place of a renewed Star League, it would be technology, trade, joint-ownership, you-name-it concessions, treaties, or agreements.
5. Tricky. Everything depends on the two-decades leading to the (canon) Succession Wars. With the hero of the League still around and the Inner Sphere-wide cult of personality he enjoys, it's all a matter of what he does in the interim. A man like Kerensky could theoretically prevent a conflict on the scale of the First Succession War, but only if he makes the right moves (politically, economically, and so on) For Terra's sake, and given its weakened state, I think Kerensky would again try to enhance the image of the Hegemony as a neutral brokerage, much like Deborah Cameron or Ian Cameron. Not only would it divert some of the prying eyes away from the border, but it really is the only realistic stance they can take with the nation in its post-Coup state. And I highly doubt Terra itself would be neutral. The world only became a prize in the first place because its original heir and owner, the Camerons and the Hegemony, no longer existed. Kerensky replaces the Cameron name, and the Hegemony never goes defunct, well then the world loses the same draw that made it such an important target in the canon fiction. I can also see Kerensky diverting much of the Director-General's domestic power back into the Hegemony Presidency. He may have been an effective administrator during his tenure with the SLDF, but as Director-General he'll be traveling all over the Inner Sphere. (Perhaps longer than 2 years) So it would be very likely that the actually day-to-day running of the Hegemony along with the efforts to rebuild and the national defense would be left in the hands of the President and High Council. There would simply be no way for the man to juggle it all effectively and still pursue his an international agenda.
6. I also hate to say this, but ComStar and Blake would very much become what the organization is in the Dark Age timeline: A secular company devoted to the upkeep of interstellar communications. Gents like Toyoma probably wouldn't even make it into the corporation, and Blake wouldn't be responsible for anything beyond the HPG network. (No Operation Silver Shield, not Neutral Terra, and so on)
7. Again, depends on Alexandr's reign and how well Nicky does in the interim. If it didn't work for poor Konrad McKenna, it may not work for Nicky. My guess is that since Nicky will never be forced into a position dictating the creation of a new society, or faced with the horrors of the Exodus Civil Wars, he'll probably stay within the military, easily rising to high rank, perhaps even head of the HAF. (That's almost a give in) Unless of course, somewhere along the way he manages to screw up. (But we're talking a perfect world right?  ;D)

My pence

Takiro Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #7 on: November 18, 2006, 09:21:39 PM »

Good stuff Knightmare. I would disagree with you on relations with the LC. New Archon Jennifer Steiner would desperately try to get back in the good graces of Kerensky looking to atone for the sins of her predecessor.

Now in addition to what the Terran Republic got (ComStar forces in canon I would think they would all stay on) which is 80 some BattleMech regiments add this.

Terran Star League units that departed on the Exodus

11th Royal BattleMech Division (The Orion Division)
26th Royal BattleMech Division (The Graham Division)
39th Royal BattleMech Division (The Denbola Division)
135th Royal BattleMech Division (The Van Diemen Division)
146th Royal BattleMech Division (The George S. Patton Division)
150th Royal BattleMech Division (The Rigil Kentaurus Division)
299th Royal BattleMech Division (The Protector Division)
309th Royal BattleMech Division (The Black Charger Division)
316th Royal BattleMech Division (The Rio Grande Division)
328th Royal BattleMech Division (The Lion-Hearted Division)
331st Royal BattleMech Division (The North American Division)
341st Royal BattleMech Division (The Black Prince Division)
349th Royal BattleMech Division (The King Henry Division)
1st Royal Mechanized Infantry Division  
13th Royal Mechanized Infantry Division
17th Royal Mechanized Infantry Division
27th Royal Mechanized Infantry Division
31st Royal Mechanized Infantry Division
34th Royal Mechanized Infantry Division
50th Royal Mechanized Infantry Division
65th Royal Mechanized Infantry Division
120th Royal Mechanized Infantry Division
131st Royal Mechanized Infantry Division (The Los Angeles Division)
132nd Royal Mechanized Infantry Division
157th Royal Mechanized Division
159th Royal Mechanized Infantry Division (The Athena Division)
169th Royal Mechanized Infantry Division
183rd Royal Mechanized Infantry Division
226th Royal Mechanized Infantry Division (The Wild Ones From Yorii)
242nd Royal Mechanized Infantry Division
255th Royal Mechanized Infantry Division
279th Royal Mechanized Infantry Division (The Chara Cossacks)
44th Royal Infantry Division
50th Royal Infantry Division (The Flame Keepers of Greece)
61st Royal Jump Infantry Division
80th Royal Jump Infantry Division
82nd Royal Jump Infantry Division (The All Americans)
106th Royal Jump Infantry Division
29th Royal Dragoon Regiment
74th Royal Dragoon Regiment (The Dogs of Dogarish)
121st Royal Dragoon Regiment
367th Royal Dragoon Regiment
405th Royal Dragoon Regiment
135th Royal Striker Regiment  
741st Royal Striker Regiment
43rd Royal Light Horse Regiment (The Steeds of Nicholas)  
55th Royal Light Horse Regiment (member of 4th RCT)
59th Royal Light Horse Regiment
90th Royal Light Horse Regiment
902nd Royal Hussar Regiment
22nd Royal CAAN Marine Regiment
31st Royal CAAN Marine Regiment
35th Royal CAAN Marine Regiment
587th Royal Artillery Regiment
188th Royal Independent Aero Wing

Which gives us.
13 Royal BattleMech Divisions (78 BattleMech Regiments)
19 Royal Mechanized Infantry Divisions (57 BattleMech Regiments)
2 Royal Infantry Divisions (6 BattleMech Regiments)
4 Royal Jump Infantry Divisions (12 BattleMech Regiments)
15 Independent BattleMech Regiments
2 Special Units (587th Royal Artillery Regiment, 188th Royal Independent Aero Wing)

That gives us a total number of 168 BattleMech Regiments to add to the 80 plus of ComStar canon.

Total so far 250 BattleMech Regiments for the new HAF!

Now to divide the rest of the SLDF!  ;)

Takiro Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #8 on: November 19, 2006, 12:29:04 PM »

Now in addition for the rest of the SLDF

Non-Royal (not Terran) Star League units that departed on the Exodus (in canon)

15th BattleMech Division (The Bryant Division)
81st BattleMech Division (The Devils of Devil's Rock)
89th BattleMech Division (The Cyclops Division)
116th BattleMech Division (The Gargantua Division)
131st BattleMech Division (The Hercules Division)
149th BattleMech Division (The Erwin Rommel Division)
154th BattleMech Division (The Small World Division)
159th BattleMech Division (The Wellington Division) Less 1008th Heavy Assault Regiment
164th BattleMech Division (The Hannibal Division)
168th BattleMech Division (The Czar Peter Division)
173rd BattlMech Division (The New Earth Division)
189th BattleMech Division (The Marshal Ney Division)
218th BattleMech Division (The Quentin Division)
229th BattleMech Division (The Chara Division)
250th BattleMech Division (The Stalingrad Division)
271st BattleMech Division (The Outreach Division)
275th BattleMech Division (The Altair Division) Less 104th Striker Regiment
308th BattleMech Division (The Punjab Pass Division)
315th BattleMech Division (The Yorii Division)
382nd BattleMech Division (The Westmoreland Division)
9th Mechanized Infantry Division (The Pride of Puget Sound)
16th Mechanized Infantry Division
24th Mechanized Infantry Division
26th Mechanized Infantry Division
41st Mechanized Infantry Division
46th Mechanized Infantry Division
49th Mechanized Infantry Division (The Colony Commanders)
67th Mechanized Infantry Division (The Indiana Division)
68th Mechanized Infantry Division
95th Mechanized Infantry Division
111th Mechanized Infantry Division
129th Mechanized Infantry Division
142nd Mechanized Infantry Division
146th Mechanized Infantry Division
147th Mechanized Infantry Division
164th Mechanized Infantry Division
172nd Mechanized Infantry Division
174th Mechanized Infantry Division
191st Mechanized Infantry Division (The Upper Silesian Division)
192nd Mechanized Infantry Division
194th Mechanized Infantry Division
196th Mechanized Infantry Division
212nd Mechanized Infantry Division
237th Mechanized Infantry Division
257th Mechanized Infantry Division
294th Mechanized Infantry Division
300th Mechanized Infantry Division (The Martians)
11th Infantry Division
14th Infantry Division
35th Infantry Division
49th Infantry Division
53rd Infantry Division
68th Infantry Division (The Thai Militia)
72nd Infantry Division
1st Jump Infantry Division (The Hellraisers from Heaven)
12th Jump Infantry Division
17th Jump Infantry Division (The Golden Talon)
30th Jump Infantry Division (Murphrid Lightning)
59th Jump Infantry Division (The Kings Own Jump Troops)
60th Jump Infantry Division
65th Jump Infantry Division (The Tornadoes)
86th Jump Infantry Division
101st Jump Infantry Division (The Screaming Eagles)
120th Jump Infantry Division less 4674th Striker Regiment
145th Jump Infantry Division (The Pride of Berlin)
159th Jump Infantry Division
185th Jump Infantry Division
206th Jump Infantry Division (Death From Above)
208th Jump Infantry Division
210th Jump Infantry Division
458th Battle Regiment
16th Dragoon Regiment
20th Dragoon Regiment
102nd Dragoon Regiment
108th Dragoon Regiment
111th Dragoon Regiment (member of 4th RCT)
129th Dragoon Regiment
131st Dragoon Regiment
138th Dragoon Regiment (member of 1st RCT)
146th Dragoon Regiment
200th Dragoon Regiment
261st Dragoon Regiment
300th Dragoon Regiment
315th Dragoon Regiment
345th Dragoon Regiment
114th Heavy Assault Regiment (The Titans of Tymons)
189th Heavy Assault Regiment
287th Heavy Assault Regiment
309th Heavy Assault Regiment
312th Heavy Assault Regiment
38th Hussar Regiment
48th Hussar Regiment
128th Hussar Regiment
152nd Hussar Regiment
218th Hussar Regiment
300th Hussar Regiment
13th Light Horse Regiment
35th Light Horse Regiment
38th Light Horse Regiment
149th Light Horse Regiment
221st Light Horse Regiment
279th Light Horse Division
1003rd Light Horse Regiment (member of 5th RCT)
201st Striker Regiment
208th Striker Regiment
512th Striker Regiment
105th Wheeled Armor Regiment
658th Marine Infantry Regiment
1007th Jump Infantry Regiment
9873rd Mechanized Infantry Regiment
9999th Mechanized Infantry Regiment
687th Independent Aero Wing
1002nd Independent Aero Wing
2369th Independent Aero Wing
2525th Independent Aero Wing
3058th Independent Aero Wing

Which gives us.
20 Battlemech Divisions (– 2 = 118 ‘Mech Regiments)
27 Mechanized Infantry Divisions (81 ‘Mech Regiments)
7 Infantry Divisions (21 ‘Mech Regiments)
16 Jump Infantry Division (- 1 = 47 ‘Mech Regiments)
36 Independent BattleMech Regiments
10 Special Units (105th Wheeled Armor Regiment, 658th Marine Infantry Regiment, 1007th Jump Infantry Regiment, 9873rd Mechanized Infantry Regiment, 9999th Mechanized Infantry Regiment, 687th Independent Aero Wing, 1002nd Independent Aero Wing, 2369th Independent Aero Wing, 2525th Independent Aero Wing, 3058th Independent Aero Wing)

Now that gives us a total number of 303 BattleMech Regiments to divide among the Great Houses.

Takiro Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #9 on: November 19, 2006, 03:45:35 PM »

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Quote from: Takiro on November 19, 2006, 12:29:04 PM
Now that gives us a total number of 303 BattleMech Regiments to divide among the Great Houses.

So do we divide it by 6 (Terrans included) = 50 regiments for each House give the last three to the Terrans as well
    That would be about 300 Mech Regiments for the Terrans and 200 Mech Regiments (rough average) for the 5 Great House

Option two is to divide by 5 (Terrans aren't a big factor) = 60 regiments for each House give the last three to the Terrans as well
    That would be about 250 Mech Regiments plus for the Terrans and 210 Mech Regiments (rough average) for the 5 Great House

Knightmare Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #10 on: November 19, 2006, 10:11:37 PM »

Terra would be a huge factor.
Psychologically speaking, we know these men and women literally worshipped Kerensky. How do we know this? Well for one, they followed their General, regardless of nationality, into the unknown, no questions asked. If Kerensky did stay behind with the express purpose of rebuilding the Hegemony from the predations of the other Great Houses, a.k.a. a mission of preservation and peace then a good majority of the SLDF would probably remain loyal. Especially if you consider that before the SLDF left the Inner Sphere many of these soldiers brought their families along, meaning, relocation to the Terran state would not be much of an issue. If these people were willing to leave their homes, again nationality is not much of an issue. Remember also, that the SLDF really attempted to foster loyalty to the SLDF and the League first, their old homes second. With the death of the League the last remaining embodiment of its principles resided in its General in the minds of some 80% of the SLDF. In the short term I doubt there would be desertion as long as the General continued to embody those same principles. However, just as with the Prinz Eugen incident, after some time and given change, some issues could arise.

Takiro Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #11 on: November 20, 2006, 06:48:47 PM »

Well Kerensky's Hegemony would be in a much better starting position than my poor New Republic.

Knightmare Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #12 on: November 22, 2006, 03:56:20 PM »

Oh yeah...Agruably it could well be the most powerful state in the Inner Sphere. Not only in sheer numbers, but also technologically. Too bad his worlds would be a bloody mess, but with those numbers he'd have all the time in the world to repair and rebuild them, so long as he didn't mess anything up.

Takiro Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #13 on: November 22, 2006, 05:46:02 PM »

Kerensky could have added to his state easily. I'm not just talking about the Rim Worlds Repbulic either.  The only problem is that Terra is right in the center of everything so it is difficult to attack somebody with overwhelming force. You open yourself up to four other formidable opponents.

Knightmare Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #14 on: November 24, 2006, 12:20:16 PM »

Though he would be loath to do any type of attacking. To do so would risk not only the precarious nature of the Hegemony itself, but the loyalty of the remaining SLDF. Besides, any warmongering on his part would be extremely damaging. Not only to the self image he created in the minds of the people of the Inner Sphere and SLDF, but politically as well. The other leaders of the Hegemony would want peace and time to rebuild their shattered homes, not another war. To prevent a Civil War, Kerensky would have to avoid military action. Although in truth, given what we know about the man, he would commence war only as a last resort and reluctantly.
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« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2010, 10:00:51 PM »
MechRat - Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #15 on: November 25, 2006, 10:08:48 PM »

Quick question: Is this thread a sampling of where this universe is headed, or just a topic to explore and debate?

Takiro - Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #16 on: November 25, 2006, 10:13:12 PM »

Quick answer: This thread is just a topic to explore and debate.

I love running alternate universes around. They give me ideas. So perhaps it just may be a preview of things to come.  ;)

Knightmare - Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #17 on: November 26, 2006, 02:18:37 PM »

Hey, why stop with one when you can build others?  ;D

Takiro - Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #18 on: November 26, 2006, 04:08:10 PM »

Because one takes alot of time to do.

Knightmare - Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #19 on: November 27, 2006, 11:10:02 AM »

Never seems to stop anyone here.

Bradshaw - Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #20 on: December 19, 2006, 03:22:12 PM »

If Kerensky stayed around and decided not to attack the houses i think the terran/Kerensky republic would be in big trouble cuz they may have the technology and the numbers but if the houses decided to ignore him or worse case attack him he would have hardly any resources to draw upon. I thought the Terrans worlds were supposed to be stripped of most resources already and where dependent on their periphery resouces and trade with houses. They would have a large army that would drain their budget/resources up quickly in any extended operations.

Knightmare - Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #21 on: December 19, 2006, 07:05:44 PM »

This is true, but then again, the Exodus and even the earlier Liberation Army created a huge support apparatus. Not too mention, the Exodus preparations would have left the SLDF with a decent amount of supplies. (Albeit foodstuff and fuel) Still, with an army as large as the Exodus, having enough food and fuel goes a long way to fighting a war.

Bradshaw - Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #22 on: December 20, 2006, 12:10:57 PM »

BT economics never made sense so its hard to judge whether they would be fine or not cuz food and fuel not withstanding most industry had been destroyed so replacement parts and ammo would be harder to come by in an extended operation then what the exodus had to worry about on their voyage. I think it would have been smarter for him to have stayed i never liked his decision i thought of him as a coward for doing what he did. But it did add something to the BT storyline him doing it.

Knightmare - Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #23 on: December 20, 2006, 11:49:30 PM »

Absolutely. At the very minimum the First Succession War would probably not have been a Succession War at all but rather and Age of War Part 2, especially without a Hegemony carcass to feed upon.

erictheviking1 Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #24 on: April 29, 2007, 06:59:49 PM »

Having read all of the posts in this topic, I agree Kerensky would not push a war. The only way I see a war happening is  in this way:

With Kerensky leading a powerful Terran Hegemony, with numerical and technological superiority over all of the Great Houses, House Kurita and House Marik meet to strike up an Alliance, much like House Davion and Steiner did in the Canon.

From what I read of Shattered Dawn, Both Kurita and Marik hate any idea of any type of a Terran state, whether Republic or Hegemony.  This hatred could unite them into another great nation. It may require a marriage like in the canon,  but I dont know if either of the current rulers would have any children that would be suitable for that purpose. Also maybe the philosophies of each house would be conflicting as to make a union that much harder.

I dont know, but that is just an idea. Take it as you will.

Takiro - Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #25 on: April 29, 2007, 07:12:39 PM »

Interesting idea. Could be a good enemy for Kerensky's Hegemony. Draconis League or Free Worlds Combine. Have them cut a path through the poor Lyrans and the Terrans would be screwed.

erictheviking1 - Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #26 on: April 29, 2007, 07:17:23 PM »

Yes, and  then the Lyrans, in their embattled state, reach out to either the Davions or the TH for aid against the aggressors, which Davion would probably do to get a chance to strike at the rear of the DC or the newly formed DL Grin

Calderon - Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #27 on: April 30, 2007, 10:05:16 AM »

I like any plan the involves Lyran destruction

blacktigeractual - Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #28 on: May 12, 2007, 06:54:17 AM »

Interesting thing...
The new FedSuns Guidebook confirms John Davion was ask to be regent of Richard Camerons kids, Given the historical pretense of nobility on the part of the FedSuns leadership, ie: refusal to loot Hegemony worlds, and overall conduct, I think it likely that the paper tiger of the AFFS might have played Steiner to Terra's Davions.  Ironic no?  ;)

Takiro - Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #29 on: May 12, 2007, 07:56:53 AM »

An interesting point. The Hegemony would certain dwarf the poor Davion military machine at the time. The Terrans in effect become what Davion was in canon if I follow your line of thought. Does Davion become what Terra was in canon. Extinct as a result?
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blacktigeractual - Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #30 on: May 13, 2007, 04:56:23 AM »

Not to certain on that one, but I would hazard a guess that my favorite little french dudes would have survived, after all they did well enough in canon, now give them a big brother...(I've never suffered from the whole Davion warmonger thing that sprang up in the past few years FASA simply made em too successful.)

Takiro Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #31 on: April 06, 2008, 02:55:25 PM »

Hey gang talking about this very subject over on CBT now and realized I never posted ComStar's exact SLDF units that remained. Shall do so now!

151st Royal Battlemech Division (Ulysses S. Grant Division)
213th Battlemech Division (The Carver Division)
287th Battlemech Division (Tobruk Division)
326th Battlemech Division (The Mantuffel Division)
359th Battlemech Division (The Montgomery Division)
13th Royal Infantry Division (the Superstition Division)
54th Mechanized Infantry Division
79th Mechanized Infantry Division
123rd Mechanized Infantry Division
126th Mechanized Infantry Division (The Bullfighters of Seville)
173rd Mechanized Infantry Division
184th Mechanized Infantry Division
197th Mechanized Infantry Division (The Florida Swamp Foxes)
272nd Mechanized Infantry Division
280th Mechanized Infantry Division
31st Infantry Division
38th Dragoon Regiment
89th Dragoon Regiment
90th Dragoon Regiment
277th Dragoon Regiment
349th Dragoon Regiment
231st Striker Regiment
238th Striker Regiment
997th Striker Regiment
509th Battle Regiment
167th Light Horse Regiment
211th Hussar Regiment
242nd Hussar Regiment
321st Hussar Regiment
9th Royal CAAN Marine Regiment
13th Royal French Demi-Brigade

Breakdown
5 BattleMech Divisions (30 Mech Regiments)
11 Infantry Divisions (33 Mech Regiments)
15 Independent Regiments (15 Mech Regiments)

78 Mech Regiments total

Ice Hellion Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #32 on: April 06, 2008, 04:28:38 PM »

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Hey gang talking about this very subject over on CBT now and realized I never posted ComStar's exact SLDF units that remained. Shall do so now!

You mean all those who went mercenaries or did nothing.

What about those with unknown destination?

Takiro Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #33 on: April 06, 2008, 04:42:17 PM »

Actually no. That is an entirely different group. Most of the unknowns with the exception of the 295th BattleMech (the Bluestar Division) stayed on Terra and eventually pledged loyalty to ComStar (I'm talking canon history). In BTSD these same formations formed the core of the TRAS. The above unit list are all the Unknowns listed in the SLSB and in FM CS revealed as the first ComGuards.

Aleric Morgan Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #34 on: May 20, 2008, 02:09:49 PM »

Based upon information posted on Sarna.net (I don't know how accurate it is though)
http://sarna.net/files/data/factions/innersphere/ you can find the SLDF file here

The SLDF before the Periphery Campaign consisted of:
125 Battlemech Divisions
325 Infantry Divisions
304 Independent Regiments

If Kerensky stayed the SLDF would have consisted of approximately:
49 Battlemech Divisions                   |      39% of Pre Periphery strength
89 Infantry Divisions                       |      27% of Pre Periphery strength
117 Independent Regiments             |      38% of Pre Periphery strength

don't know the fleet strength was before and after
although i recall something about there being 280 McKenna Class Battleships produced (don't know if they were all still active) and that only 29 remained after Terra's liberation.

Ice Hellion Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #35 on: May 20, 2008, 02:23:02 PM »

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although i recall something about there being 280 McKenna Class Battleships produced (don't know if they were all still active) and that only 29 remained after Terra's liberation.

Where did you read that?

Aleric Morgan Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #36 on: May 20, 2008, 02:25:54 PM »

it was in the overview of the McKenna Class Battleship in HMA from the overview

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The McKenna earned a reputation as an excellent combat vessel shortly after its introduction in 2652. Indeed, a tour of duty on a McKenna came to be considered the high point of a naval career. The design’s reputation, however, made McKennas prime targets during the war to liberate Terra. Although 280 McKennas had been produced in the 130 years before the fall of the Star League, only 29 survived to see the liberation. Eleven of those vessels were so badly damaged they had to be scuttled. The remaining vessels left with the Exodus fleet, but only three have been seen in service with the Clans.

It is also stated in the 3057 TR

Aleric Morgan Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #37 on: May 20, 2008, 02:37:41 PM »

interesting question is raised though
if 18 McKennas left with the Exodus Fleet and 3 are in service of the Clans
Where are the other 15?

LostInSpace Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #38 on: May 20, 2008, 03:53:53 PM »

The remaining vessels left with the Exodus fleet, but only three have been seen in service with the Clans.

Note the wording.  The rest are probably in Brian caches.

Aleric Morgan Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #39 on: May 21, 2008, 02:57:30 PM »

Yeah I know the wording about the McKenna Battleships.
"Three are active in the Clan Fleets"

In doing a little research I found this information
here is the location of 7 of the 18 McKenna Battleships of the Exodus Fleet
one assumes that the others are in the Brian Caches somewhere (what a waste if you think about it)

the Snow Ravens (James McKenna)
the Wolves/Wolves in exile (Werewolf)
the Star Adders (Sovereign Right)
the Cloud Cobras (Second Coming)
the Goliath Scorpion (Lei Kung)
the Ice Hellions (Cage's Pride)

McKenna's Pride in geosynchronous orbit over Strana Mechty

Aleric Morgan Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #40 on: May 21, 2008, 03:15:16 PM »

I found this to be interesting

Table of Organization   
SLDF BattleMech Division   
   
Component                              Each component contains:
Headquarters battalion                     1 DropShip squadron
                                             1 medium 'Mech battalion
1 Ground Aero Wing                     1 AeroSpace fighter wing
                                             1 combat aircraft wing
                                             1 transport aircraft wing
2 BattleMech brigades                     3 BattleMech regiments
1 mechanized infantry brigade          1 light BattleMech battalion
                                             3 mechanized infantry regiments
1 armored support brigade           2 heavy armor regiments
                                             1 air-defense regiment
1 artillery brigade                         2 battalions self propelled artillery
                                             1 battalion heavy SP artillery
1 cavalry squadron                      3 companies Land-Air 'Mechs
                                             1 company armored cavalry
                                             1 company heavy armored cavalry
1 engineering battalion   
1 signals battalion   
1 supply battalion   

and the SLDF had 125 of these!

Aleric Morgan Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #41 on: May 21, 2008, 03:24:01 PM »

The jaw dropper to this is the numbers
(if the numbers are right of course)

the SLDF had: (before the Periphery)

750 Battlemech Regiments (not including the Independent Regiments)
thats 108,000 Battlemechs in its armies

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after the Amaris Coup it still had

294 Battlemech Regiments (not including the Independent Regiments)
for over 42,000 Battlemechs (less more then likely due to depleted units)

Ice Hellion Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #42 on: May 21, 2008, 03:46:46 PM »

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from: AlexCross on May 21, 2008, 03:15:16 PM
I found this to be interesting

Table of Organization   
SLDF BattleMech Division   
   
Component                              Each component contains:
Headquarters battalion                     1 DropShip squadron
                                             1 medium 'Mech battalion
1 Ground Aero Wing                     1 AeroSpace fighter wing
                                             1 combat aircraft wing
                                             1 transport aircraft wing
2 BattleMech brigades                     3 BattleMech regiments
1 mechanized infantry brigade          1 light BattleMech battalion
                                             3 mechanized infantry regiments
1 armored support brigade           2 heavy armor regiments
                                             1 air-defense regiment
1 artillery brigade                         2 battalions self propelled artillery
                                             1 battalion heavy SP artillery
1 cavalry squadron                      3 companies Land-Air 'Mechs
                                             1 company armored cavalry
                                             1 company heavy armored cavalry
1 engineering battalion   
1 signals battalion   
1 supply battalion   

and the SLDF had 125 of these!

Where did you find this?

Aleric Morgan Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #43 on: May 21, 2008, 03:52:20 PM »

I found in in the SDLF file on sarna.net

http://sarna.net/files/data/factions/innersphere/

i am also attached the file to an earlier post in this topic

Takiro Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #44 on: February 25, 2009, 09:04:09 PM »

Hey gang, I'm back to this thread for a little bit of entertainment based on our What would you do? thread. We know that Kerensky is going to get the units that stayed with ComStar in canon and the Royal SLDF units. So we are left to divide these.

Non-Royal (not Terran) Star League units that departed on the Exodus (in canon)

15th BattleMech Division (The Bryant Division)
81st BattleMech Division (The Devils of Devil's Rock)
89th BattleMech Division (The Cyclops Division)
116th BattleMech Division (The Gargantua Division)
131st BattleMech Division (The Hercules Division)
149th BattleMech Division (The Erwin Rommel Division)
154th BattleMech Division (The Small World Division)
159th BattleMech Division (The Wellington Division) Less 1008th Heavy Assault Regiment
164th BattleMech Division (The Hannibal Division)
168th BattleMech Division (The Czar Peter Division)
173rd BattlMech Division (The New Earth Division)
189th BattleMech Division (The Marshal Ney Division)
218th BattleMech Division (The Quentin Division)
229th BattleMech Division (The Chara Division)
250th BattleMech Division (The Stalingrad Division)
271st BattleMech Division (The Outreach Division)
275th BattleMech Division (The Altair Division) Less 104th Striker Regiment
308th BattleMech Division (The Punjab Pass Division)
315th BattleMech Division (The Yorii Division)
382nd BattleMech Division (The Westmoreland Division)
9th Mechanized Infantry Division (The Pride of Puget Sound)
16th Mechanized Infantry Division
24th Mechanized Infantry Division
26th Mechanized Infantry Division
41st Mechanized Infantry Division
46th Mechanized Infantry Division
49th Mechanized Infantry Division (The Colony Commanders)
67th Mechanized Infantry Division (The Indiana Division)
68th Mechanized Infantry Division
95th Mechanized Infantry Division
111th Mechanized Infantry Division
129th Mechanized Infantry Division
142nd Mechanized Infantry Division
146th Mechanized Infantry Division
147th Mechanized Infantry Division
164th Mechanized Infantry Division
172nd Mechanized Infantry Division
174th Mechanized Infantry Division
191st Mechanized Infantry Division (The Upper Silesian Division)
192nd Mechanized Infantry Division
194th Mechanized Infantry Division
196th Mechanized Infantry Division
212nd Mechanized Infantry Division
237th Mechanized Infantry Division
257th Mechanized Infantry Division
294th Mechanized Infantry Division
300th Mechanized Infantry Division (The Martians)
11th Infantry Division
14th Infantry Division
35th Infantry Division
49th Infantry Division
53rd Infantry Division
68th Infantry Division (The Thai Militia)
72nd Infantry Division
1st Jump Infantry Division (The Hellraisers from Heaven)
12th Jump Infantry Division
17th Jump Infantry Division (The Golden Talon)
30th Jump Infantry Division (Murphrid Lightning)
59th Jump Infantry Division (The Kings Own Jump Troops)
60th Jump Infantry Division
65th Jump Infantry Division (The Tornadoes)
86th Jump Infantry Division
101st Jump Infantry Division (The Screaming Eagles)
120th Jump Infantry Division less 4674th Striker Regiment
145th Jump Infantry Division (The Pride of Berlin)
159th Jump Infantry Division
185th Jump Infantry Division
206th Jump Infantry Division (Death From Above)
208th Jump Infantry Division
210th Jump Infantry Division
458th Battle Regiment
16th Dragoon Regiment
20th Dragoon Regiment
102nd Dragoon Regiment
108th Dragoon Regiment
111th Dragoon Regiment (member of 4th RCT)
129th Dragoon Regiment
131st Dragoon Regiment
138th Dragoon Regiment (member of 1st RCT)
146th Dragoon Regiment
200th Dragoon Regiment
261st Dragoon Regiment
300th Dragoon Regiment
315th Dragoon Regiment
345th Dragoon Regiment
114th Heavy Assault Regiment (The Titans of Tymons)
189th Heavy Assault Regiment
287th Heavy Assault Regiment
309th Heavy Assault Regiment
312th Heavy Assault Regiment
38th Hussar Regiment
48th Hussar Regiment
128th Hussar Regiment
152nd Hussar Regiment
218th Hussar Regiment
300th Hussar Regiment
13th Light Horse Regiment
35th Light Horse Regiment
38th Light Horse Regiment
149th Light Horse Regiment
221st Light Horse Regiment
279th Light Horse Division
1003rd Light Horse Regiment (member of 5th RCT)
201st Striker Regiment
208th Striker Regiment
512th Striker Regiment
105th Wheeled Armor Regiment
658th Marine Infantry Regiment
1007th Jump Infantry Regiment
9873rd Mechanized Infantry Regiment
9999th Mechanized Infantry Regiment
687th Independent Aero Wing
1002nd Independent Aero Wing
2369th Independent Aero Wing
2525th Independent Aero Wing
3058th Independent Aero Wing

Based on BattleMech strength there are 303 regiments to divide among six Houses. Most likely this will be a pretty even divide giving us about 50 regiments going to each House including Kerensky's Hegemony. Granted the Hegemony might garner a little more than the average for obvious reasons.

Kerensky Loyalists, units with Clan founders which contains 21 Mech regiments little less than half.
81st BattleMech Division (The Devils of Devil's Rock)
149th BattleMech Division (The Erwin Rommel Division)
9th Mechanized Infantry Division (The Pride of Puget Sound)
35th Infantry Division
17th Jump Infantry Division (The Golden Talon)
200th Dragoon Regiment
261st Dragoon Regiment

What other units are locks to remain with the General? Those with planetary ties? That is 50 Mech Regiments alone.
15th BattleMech Division (The Bryant Division)
154th BattleMech Division (The Small World Division)
173rd BattlMech Division (The New Earth Division)
218th BattleMech Division (The Quentin Division)
229th BattleMech Division (The Chara Division)
271st BattleMech Division (The Outreach Division)
275th BattleMech Division (The Altair Division) Less 104th Striker Regiment
315th BattleMech Division (The Yorii Division)
30th Jump Infantry Division (Murphrid Lightning)

Thoughts?
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Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2010, 10:01:44 PM »
LordGrayson Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #45 on: February 26, 2009, 02:36:06 AM »

Did the 185th Mech Division (Northwind Division) not go on the exodus

Takiro Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #46 on: February 26, 2009, 06:19:34 AM »

The 185th BattleMech Division (The Northwind Division) was destroyed in the 2767-2779 campaign according to the SLSB.

LordGrayson Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #47 on: February 26, 2009, 12:14:03 PM »

Dang my unit died  Cry Going to have to have a few words with my GM about the unit he has me in his world.  :)

Ice Hellion Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #48 on: February 26, 2009, 01:48:20 PM »

Why would they split?
Apart for opponents to Kerensky, he is a hero and the "loyal" heir of the Star League.

Takiro Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #49 on: February 26, 2009, 03:40:00 PM »

Because they want to go home or have a chance to make more money. The Star League is dead after all and even when Kerensky left look what happened. Old loyalties reappeared even before his death. Now they are surrounded by recruiters. Granted many may stay or leave without their equipment.

Ice Hellion Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #50 on: March 02, 2009, 02:24:24 PM »

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from: Takiro on February 26, 2009, 03:40:00 PM
Because they want to go home or have a chance to make more money. The Star League is dead after all and even when Kerensky left look what happened. Old loyalties reappeared even before his death. Now they are surrounded by recruiters. Granted many may stay or leave without their equipment.

After so many years of fighting, home is likely to be where their friends are.

Dukeroyal Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #51 on: April 07, 2009, 06:53:50 PM »

Why divide anything? If the soldiers want to go home to their realm of birth that's fine, but why allow them to take their equipment with them? Kerensky would need all that equipment to rebuild the Hegemony Armed Forces as the SLDF would no longer exist.

Takiro Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #52 on: April 07, 2009, 08:49:23 PM »

Hey Dukeroyal, good to see you posting. A valid question. Let me answer with another, what if a unit wanted to depart with its equipment? And yes that would happen at least once. So then you face a decision, shoot them and start what could turn into an ugly civil war or let them go. You might have to fight them later.  ???

Dukeroyal Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #53 on: April 07, 2009, 09:09:12 PM »

It would probably depend on the equipment the unit had. But in reality you might have many soldiers wanting to stay and instead of the Exodus being about departing the Inner Sphere it might become about getting the soldiers families who wanted to help defend the Hegemony transported to Hegemony worlds. How do the House Lords react in such a situation becomes a major question for Kerensky.
   
Takiro Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #54 on: April 07, 2009, 09:18:49 PM »

That is an excellent point especially in light of the Terran Diaspora that occurred in canon. Many Terrans fled their shattered worlds in the wake of the Coup, those who could of course. I could raise the question of those who fled collabrating with the Usurper in some fashion. The Terrans who remained tended to be stubborn or poor as I recall. As one group of people leaves another spills in but would there be conflicts there. Families who are imprisoned by a House Lord as leverage say for a VIP or certain items they might want. Good stuff!

Ice Hellion Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #55 on: April 08, 2009, 01:52:58 PM »

A good question: this is not the feudal Successor States but a true Army.
Do you imagine leaving the army with your gun or your tank?
I know it works that way in some countries (for the gun) where you can find reservists but in most countries, it is not allowed.

Dukeroyal Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #56 on: April 08, 2009, 06:49:26 PM »

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from: Ice Hellion on April 08, 2009, 01:52:58 PM
A good question: this is not the feudal Successor States but a true Army.
Do you imagine leaving the army with your gun or your tank?
I know it works that way in some countries (for the gun) where you can find reservists but in most countries, it is not allowed.

I think this is probably how it works with the SLDF, that they give you your gun when you retire but that is probably it.

scourge72 Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #57 on: April 08, 2009, 07:17:53 PM »

I'd rather take the tank.

Ice Hellion Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #58 on: April 09, 2009, 02:50:30 PM »

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from: Dukeroyal on April 08, 2009, 06:49:26 PM
I think this is probably how it works with the SLDF, that they give you your gun when you retire but that is probably it.

I think they did it at some point in history.

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from: scourge72 on April 08, 2009, 07:17:53 PM
I'd rather take the tank.

 ;D

scourge72 Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #59 on: April 09, 2009, 03:57:56 PM »

What would you rather take?
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Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2010, 10:02:07 PM »
Ice Hellion Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #60 on: April 09, 2009, 04:19:07 PM »

Rhetorical question.
I guess my answer is nothing as I doubt any State would allow anything bigger than a rifle to get out of its armed forces.

scourge72 Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #61 on: April 09, 2009, 04:19:59 PM »

Yeah, sadly.

muttley Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #62 on: January 16, 2010, 09:34:05 PM »

Think that the Houses would be sending a lot of their intelligence folks into the Hegemony to grab research material and even equipment in the confusion.

Takiro Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #63 on: January 16, 2010, 10:05:12 PM »

Well Mutt, tonight I was thinking that the Houses maybe protecting those Terrans who've aided the Usurper. These would have been many of the old ruling class of the Hegemony who collaborated with the Amaris regime. It would be interesting to see their reaction to Kerensky attempting to bring these individuals to justice.

The Houses would likely try and grab advanced science where possible but the best place for that right now might be the SLDF itself. Stuff like focusing on recruiting units or individuals in a post League era.

muttley Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #64 on: January 17, 2010, 12:09:15 AM »

If I had a choice between hanging (or worse) then Sian, Regulus, or somewhere in the Davion Outback starts to sound real nice this time of year...

Ice Hellion Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #65 on: January 17, 2010, 02:08:34 PM »

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from: Takiro on January 16, 2010, 10:05:12 PM
Well Mutt, tonight I was thinking that the Houses maybe protecting those Terrans who've aided the Usurper. These would have been many of the old ruling class of the Hegemony who collaborated with the Amaris regime. It would be interesting to see their reaction to Kerensky attempting to bring these individuals to justice.

The Houses would likely try and grab advanced science where possible but the best place for that right now might be the SLDF itself. Stuff like focusing on recruiting units or individuals in a post League era.

Did a lot of them collaborate?

Takiro Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #66 on: January 17, 2010, 02:31:00 PM »

Yup, read this from Battlecorps

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Touring the Grand Canal of Mars

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[5 Feb 3072; VOTW] At its peak in 2765, Mars hosted over 70 million people: a few hundred thousand in the highly automated mining industry, a few thousand of the richest people in the Inner Sphere, and tens of millions who catered to the ultra-wealthy. That population plummeted after 2778 when the Terran system was liberated because Mars had become an enclave for Amaris’s supporters. With no customers, the Martian service industry disintegrated, leaving about 1 million miners and their families to feed Terra’s mineral needs by 2800AD.

My tour of the Grand Canal lingered over the terraced wonder of the Windsor-Small Estate, which included multitudes of isolated palaces for differing family members that adhered to a coherent Greco-Roman Revival architecture. The highlight of the tour was not the grounds. Rather, it was the Terran University of Harvard archeological excavation in a garden overlooking a sheer, 500-meter cliff to the canal below. An estimated five dozen skeletons had been found in a mass grave dating to 2781, apparently the result of vengeful Rigil Kentarans. These war crime hunters sought the Windsor-Smalls for the wholesale looting of their planetary economy at the hands of Reginald Windsor-Small V, a planetary governor installed by Amaris.

This was typical of the era. Vengeful mobs and the restored Hegemony government were merciless to Amaris’s supporters. While this was necessary in some cases (no one would leave Amaris’s handpicked planetary governors in power), the craving for vengeance in the Hegemony reached the point where all of the elected officials and professional civil servants who had been in government during Amaris’s tenure were banned from office, as were many professionals of all stripes who had joined Amaris’s pet political parties simply to keep their jobs. (This left the Terran Hegemony government so dysfunctional that ten years after Terra’s liberation the Successor States were able to walk over the failed state. They encountered much more resistance from fellow Houses than the Terran Hegemony, and more than a few Hegemony worlds – Towne being a notable example – actively sought House suzerainty.)

ComStar largely ignored Terra’s sibling for the next two hundred and fifty years, treating it as nothing more than a sleepy mining world. But this neglect came with unplanned, undesirable evolution in the terraformed environment. Upon inheriting Mars, the Word of Blake found a low-cost means of securing the loyalty of Martians.

It does solve the question of how Amaris was able to retain effective control of the Hegemony for so long. The number of casualties (pg. 95 SLSB more than 100 million killed while Terra alone had a population 12 billion) directly attributed to the Usurper is quite low even though his horrific acts are well know. If he was actively opposed by all there would have been a much more massive bloodbath among the densely populated worlds of the Hegemony. Conclusion there was some kind of stewardship that averted said devastation. He had to have some public support from Terran Collaborators who like Richard he probably cultivated over time. The ultra rich of the Hegemony probably long desired a true hereditary nobility that was denied them by the original Hegemony Charter which favored merit based appointments. These folks helped the occupiers made the trains run on time. Fanbook 2 - Project Phoenix talks about this more if your interested.

muttley Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #67 on: January 17, 2010, 11:00:50 PM »

Break out the Elbar Toothpicks.

Ice Hellion Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #68 on: January 18, 2010, 05:50:09 PM »

And those in power who just followed the new leadership (as it was "legitimate").

Takiro Re: Kerensky Remains: No Exodus « Reply #69 on: January 18, 2010, 07:30:08 PM »

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Break out the Elbar Toothpicks.

No, I definitely think there are Quislings out there the Terrans want to see again - even if it were just for the last few seconds of their lives.
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