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Re: No Dragoons Compromise
« Reply #15 on: October 01, 2018, 12:25:34 PM »

Wouldn't their intelligence be woefully incomplete. They have basic information they gathered over a hundred years ago when they first raised the call for the invasion.

Back to 3005 and how this would play out.

Draconis Combine

Takashi has just has become Coordinator after his fathers assassination.

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In 3004, Hohiro Kurita was assassinated by one of the Otomo, a member of the Tyr Resistance Movement from the Rasalhague Military District. Takashi had the assassin executed immediately, an act that, combined with his leadership of the Otomo at the time of the assassination, led to rumors that he was culpable in the murder. The ISF informed the new Coordinator who was enraged. He used the Otomo to round up those he suspected of undermining his credibility, bringing them to Unity Palace. Once they were gathered he accused them of undermining the state, and then immediately executed them on the grounds.

Takashi did loosen the controls on the citizenry however, once his purge of opposition was completed. He repealed measures put in place by his father giving the people more freedoms.

Given the failures of the military under his father's rule he made changes in the first years of his reign. He focused on making the military a competitive place, with each commander competing among themselves. One way that he encouraged this competition was by replacing the front commanders with a system of having each military district's Warlord control the local forces. These changes all proved successful

I would assume the Dragon is at one of its weaker points in its history then based off this summary. With the recent purges morale is at a low point and everyone is looking over their shoulders wondering if they or someone they know will be accused next.

If Luthien falls quickly with Takashi dying Theodore would be only 8 or 9 Isoroku Kurita Takashi's nephew would be 12.

Marcus Kurita (Takashi's first cousin) Warlord of the Rasalhague Military District might take over if he lived himself vs whichever Clan was coming down that corridor. Akiro Kurita his sibling died in 3002 and Elija Kurita whom we know nothing about besides they are on the Kurita family tree.

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Clearly, Archon Alessandro had to take action. The plan he devised in 3002, Operation Concentrated Weakness, pulled troops from deep within the Commonwealth, massing them on the border with the Free Worlds League. The goal was to create an invincible wall of force that could repel any invasion or raid from House Marik. The cost was a virtually undefended interior, should an attacking force strike far past the borders. This was somewhat similar to a strategem employed by Archon Marcus Steiner during the Second Succession War.[1] [4] Eventually, it would allow the Commonwealth to launch a major assault against House Marik.

The strategy had initial successes, repulsing attacks at Loric and Solaris VII.
Unfortunately, there were many consequences this strategy had for the Commonwealth. There was great opposition and discontent with the plan among the Estates General, further sapping the Archon's political capital. Even many in the LCAF command expressed their doubts. [1] [4] Many worlds, stripped of their normal garrisons, experienced unrest and protests. [1]

The worst came in 3006, when Captain-General Janos Marik ordered deep raid attacks on several important Lyran worlds far from their border. The worlds of Bolan, Pollux and Coventry, among others, were all attacked, with the Coventry Metal Works BattleMech factory taking damage from the 4th Regulan Hussars, [4] a unit virtually unknown that far inside Lyran space. The effects on the military and citizenry was devastating.

This makes us think the Lyran forces would be way out of position for the initial attacks. Rolling over what garrisons remain. It would allow for a possible eventual counter attack a later point but would it be too little to late to save the realm?

Katrina and Morgan being captured by the Clans especially as the Steiner Bloodname like Takiro said is with Cloud Cobra. Morgan hasn't even met Salome yet for her connection to the Clans. Arthur Luvon whom is a Loki agent would be an interesting thing as well for the Clans to interrogate.
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Re: No Dragoons Compromise
« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2018, 01:24:45 PM »

It is pretty bleak for the InnerSphere certainly Bradshaw but on the plus side the Clans could really be in the dark in terms of actionable intelligence. ComStar might not be helping them this time around and no multi-House alliance is riding to the Lyran or the Draconis rescue. I would even think because of the tech disparity and Clan hatred (particular Ghost Bear) of mercenaries I doubt they would get much help there.
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Re: No Dragoons Compromise
« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2018, 01:40:47 PM »

Comguards are not the Comguards of Focht's time thats for sure.

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The ComStar Guards and Militia's next combat action in 3004, though ultimately successful, was very nearly a disaster. When ComStar's Jolly Roger plan to provide material support to pirate bands to inflame the fighting along the Periphery borders of the Draconis Combine and Lyran Commonwealth went sour after the pirates struck out on their own, then Primus Allen Rusenstein dispatched the 1st Division CO to negotiate with the renegades to bring them back into line, only to make matters worse.

After the enraged pirates struck the ComStar HPG compounds on Lost and Canal, Primus Rusenstein ordered the 1st Division to wipe out "Black" Jack McGirk's forces. Tracking the pirates to the unmapped world of Trisha eight jumps into the Periphery, the 1st fought against McGirk's band for the better part of three days. While the 1st successfully completed their mission, the greater combat experience of the pirates gave them a 2.3 to 1 kill ratio against the numerically superior but still relatively untested ComStar forces.

Rusenstein is a big role model for the Wobbies if he is drummed out due to his ineptitude in the initial Clan invasion. Would ComStar instead go with a more liberal choice to replace him instead of Waterly? One would think so if they want to try and unite the remaining Houses against the threat of the Clans.

It is pretty bleak for the InnerSphere certainly Bradshaw but on the plus side the Clans could really be in the dark in terms of actionable intelligence. ComStar might not be helping them this time around and no multi-House alliance is riding to the Lyran or the Draconis rescue. I would even think because of the tech disparity and Clan hatred (particular Ghost Bear) of mercenaries I doubt they would get much help there.

Lack of information would hinder the Clans but it would hinder imo more the Inner Sphere. Kerensky utilized the Intel gained from Focht but most other Clans didn't. With this new Strategic Operation I think what intel is found would have a more significant impact as a whole.

1. No Wolf Dragoons to give assistance to the Houses with intel.
2. No ComStar cooperation with the Clans like Focht was able to work out. It would take probably a much longer time for them to realize who and what is invading.
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Re: No Dragoons Compromise
« Reply #18 on: October 01, 2018, 02:57:32 PM »

Thinking of the Invasion Corridors. Would they really have 14? I would think strategically it would be best to have one. With each Clan bidding against each other for the rights for each world. Then sub-bids for which Clusters from said Clan. You would end up with a huge area with intermittent Clan holdings. Because there may be less honor going down the border between the two Houses but its the quickest route and a clan way out on the periphery of the corridor route you propose would have a distinctive disadvantage against whomever is in the center. Id say it was a 50 - 60 light year plunge right down the Center with occasional outliers for strategic goals
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Re: No Dragoons Compromise
« Reply #19 on: October 01, 2018, 04:30:29 PM »

Rusenstein is a big role model for the Wobbies if he is drummed out due to his ineptitude in the initial Clan invasion. Would ComStar instead go with a more liberal choice to replace him instead of Waterly? One would think so if they want to try and unite the remaining Houses against the threat of the Clans.
I would hope they can find someone more qualified than Waterly, who would be 4 years old at the time.

Most probably Tiepolo is elected as a compromise candidate.
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Re: No Dragoons Compromise
« Reply #20 on: October 02, 2018, 11:12:35 AM »

Oops I knew there was someone in-between the two just couldn't remember who it was as I typed that. Yeah Tiepolo would probably still be elected reading up on him.
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Re: No Dragoons Compromise
« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2018, 08:39:59 PM »

Well speaking to ComStar might there be a coup d'etat by the Blood (Wolverines) who joined forces with the Order after the appearance of the Minnesota Tribe in Draconis space circa 2825. They would be no fan of the Clans and the single 'ComGuard'  Division performed so poorly against pirates in canon that I think the Blood get motivated quickly to defend themselves as best possible.
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Re: No Dragoons Compromise
« Reply #22 on: October 04, 2018, 03:01:17 AM »

I could see that happening if ComStar sends the ComGuards into battle before and they wind up getting torn apart (which seems likely). At that point ComStar needs to build up some military strength somehow.

If I recall correctly the Blood thing may have just been some half-assed ploy to upset the Clans, but it could be fun to work with.
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Re: No Dragoons Compromise
« Reply #23 on: October 04, 2018, 06:37:50 AM »

It would be an interesting twist on Jolly Roger if ComStar's 1st Division was engaged by the Clans? They'd probably obliterate the unit leaving the Order without a significant military presence but their equipment (even if it was dumbed down to Level 1 tech for security reasons) would be significantly better than anything the poor InnerSphere had. Could also give the ilKhan a good reason to pause before Terra.
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Re: No Dragoons Compromise
« Reply #24 on: October 04, 2018, 03:31:11 PM »

Thinking of the Invasion Corridors. Would they really have 14? I would think strategically it would be best to have one. With each Clan bidding against each other for the rights for each world. Then sub-bids for which Clusters from said Clan. You would end up with a huge area with intermittent Clan holdings. Because there may be less honor going down the border between the two Houses but its the quickest route and a clan way out on the periphery of the corridor route you propose would have a distinctive disadvantage against whomever is in the center. Id say it was a 50 - 60 light year plunge right down the Center with occasional outliers for strategic goals

I was thinking along the same way with some planet hoping or Clans competing in the initial waves for the right to fight in the latter ones (meaning more interesting targets or more prestigious ones). This competition would be based on how good they perform with some ratio to equalize things between planets with minimal defences and those with heavier ones.
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Re: No Dragoons Compromise
« Reply #25 on: October 05, 2018, 02:42:26 AM »

It would need to be narrowed down to some extent, possibly with the Clans operating in three groups, because it's not really practical to shift Clusters from one side of the Inner Sphere to the other just because the Khans bid a unit that just took Somerset (for example) to participate in taking Pesht.
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Re: No Dragoons Compromise
« Reply #26 on: October 05, 2018, 08:11:48 AM »

It would need to be narrowed down to some extent, possibly with the Clans operating in three groups, because it's not really practical to shift Clusters from one side of the Inner Sphere to the other just because the Khans bid a unit that just took Somerset (for example) to participate in taking Pesht.

If there was bidding on this. In the initial plan. You could have 3 Groups of 4 with 2 Reserves.

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l  4  l  4  l  4  l

Each corridor 20 Light Years wide so that a rapid response could be had in the case its needed.
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Re: No Dragoons Compromise
« Reply #27 on: October 06, 2018, 02:10:54 AM »

Is that a typo? 20 light years isn't much - did you mean 200 light years wide? Enough to sweep across half the Inner Sphere?
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Re: No Dragoons Compromise
« Reply #28 on: October 06, 2018, 06:25:31 AM »

It was but not by as much as that, meant 40 each with a total of 120 lightyears wide
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Re: No Dragoons Compromise
« Reply #29 on: October 07, 2018, 02:12:28 AM »

I'm considering a much wider invasion zone than canon, one that more or less obliterates the DC and LC before running out of gas, so invasion corridors spanning a total of 120 light years wouldn't really be enough.
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