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General BattleTech => Alternate Universe => Topic started by: Takiro on August 02, 2018, 11:36:19 PM
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One thing I was speaking with Bradshaw about today was our old home campaign lovingly called Mystic X which saw the formation of the Star League Clans following the Smoke Jaguar Annihilation where it largely diverged from canon. Here are a few things I'd like to build on in a new vision of this alternate.
Wolves and Nova Cats - likely the core of any effort to assemble this new force to help defend the Star League. Abjured but solidly behind efforts to aid the new organization it is perhaps these Clans which bring everything together.
Smoke Jaguar Absorption - rather than annihilating the Smoke Jaguars they are absorbed into the Star League perhaps on the recommendation of Phelan. They'd be transformed into a new Clan or two using Mongooses legacies and they might be years away from major combat operations. Your not likely going to trust that many ex-Jaguars so your gonna have to start from scratch especially with Mongoose but they could be a powerful addition to this new SLDF.
Warden Return - following the Smoke Jaguar Absorption a group of steadfast Warden Clans decide that Operation Revival has indeed succeeded in resorting the Star League and now it must be defended. They up and leave the Crusaders on the Homeworlds and take up positions in and around the InnerSphere in order to fulfill their mission. These Clans will not rest in the defense of the Star League. This plays on masterarminas story entitled Scorpio Ascendant where the Goliath Scorpions and Cloud Cobras do just that and return to the InnerSphere. Coyote is another resolutely Warden Clan which just might do so and I have thoughts on others doing the same.
https://www.ourbattletech.com/forum/index.php?topic=1401.0
InnerSphere Clans - imitation is the highest form of flattery and who is to say groups of InnerSphere Mechwarriors wouldn't like to join the Star League Clans in their mission to defend the greatest hope of mankind. It happened in our campaign where five such groups (Chaos Dragon, Golden Blade, Fire Serpent, Frost Panther, and Silver Tiger) joined Wolf, Nova Cat and a few others from Clan space to defend the Star League. Yes they had to pass combat trials and a host of challenges to become new Clans but answering the call went along way to establishing them as part of the Star League Clans.
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To me it looks partly: the Clans (or some Clans) become the main backbone of the SLDF.
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Essentially Ice that is the case which itself could cause a whole new array of events.
Given more thought to the Warden Return and here is how I see the Clans remaining in the Homeworlds reacting to the Call to Arms.
Blood Spirit - Crusaders, no doubt here that the entire Clan would remain in the Homeworlds, seeing the Wardens as most Clans, traitors to the cause
Cloud Cobra - Split, while nominally a Warden Clan it is likely this Clan would experience a Schism especially given the Cloisters with the majority leaving, however their are a large amount of Crusaders I can see remaining on the Homeworlds
Coyote - Wardens, although their traditional values could impede a decision to join the Star League certainly, the leaders of the cause in my view would step up here and perhaps lead the return, perhaps the Crusaders would restore those reaved in the Blood Scandal assuring at least a part of the Clan may live on in the Homeworlds
Diamond Shark - Split, yes they are largely Wardens especially after the Harvest Wars and the death of Ian Hawker but with the history of Sea Fox I say they split, trying to have it both ways half stays and half goes, perhaps establishing exclusive trade between the Clans
Fire Mandrill - Split, with the Kindraa the way they are and most being Crusaders but with a number of Wardens I think you can see where I am going here
Ghost Bear - Warden, essentially already gone with ties to Rasalhague getting stronger everyday, while there would be resistance to them joining the Star League
Goliath Scorpion - Warden, perhaps the most enthusiastic Clan to return these Seekers of the past would almost wholly depart the Homeworlds in defense of the glorious Star League.
Hell's Horses - Warden, yes there are Crusaders here but the Horses have always been a Warden Clan so I see a great deal of them moving to the InnerSphere although a Split may more accurately
Ice Hellion - Crusader, almost certainly attacking the Wardens as they leave without any second thought on the matter
Jade Falcon - Crusader, likely attacked by the Wardens and driven back to the Homeworlds there is a lot of story here to be developed for their return
Snow Raven - Warden, while some Crusaders are present here I really see most of this Clan as Warden devotees leaving for the Outworlds as they did in canon
Star Adder - Crusader, always Crusaders I see them as planning the invasion of the false Star League and one day leading that glorious attack
Steel Viper - Crusader, this one I am genuinely up in the air about, as the death of Christopher Ahmed and the rise of Brett Andrews seems to have transferred them into the Crusader camp solidly I place them here
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To me it looks partly: the Clans (or some Clans) become the main backbone of the SLDF.
We were more like shock troops outside the normal SLDF command structure
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To me it looks partly: the Clans (or some Clans) become the main backbone of the SLDF.
We were more like shock troops outside the normal SLDF command structure
After posting my answer and leaving I thought that I might have been a bit too quick in my answer.
Yes, they would be shocktroops but why put them outside of the normal SLDF command structure? Why not base the whole SLDF on them (perhaps only the premier tier and not the second line troops)?
However, Zellbringen would be a problem.
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Star Adder is non political yes crusader because wanted to return to inner sphere but they are definitely not staunch supporters of the philosophy
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If our gm wasnt such a good guy we would have been annihilated we were a merc unit called the wolverines prior to imitating the clans. Named not for the old clan but from the movie red dawn
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However, Zellbringen would be a problem.
How so Ice? I would think aside from their Invader reputation and alien ways - which are tough to get over I will grant you - zell would be a major plus on the idea of the Clans serving as the defenders of the Star League.
Star Adder is non political yes crusader because wanted to return to inner sphere but they are definitely not staunch supporters of the philosophy
The Adders seem pragmatic yes but it has been their goal to dominate the homeworlds by getting rid of other competition. Despite their soldiery I don't see them serving the false League as the Crusaders would call it rather trying their damnest to conquer it eventually. I see the Adders as taking the long view arguing that the true Clans must hunker down and wait for their oppurtunity to strike.
If our gm wasnt such a good guy we would have been annihilated we were a merc unit called the wolverines prior to imitating the clans. Named not for the old clan but from the movie red dawn
The Jade Falcons tried on multiple occassion to annihilate the unit (one of which I believe you led) which took the name to piss off the Clans. Red Dawn was a factor, yes. Remember also there were many different commands that made up the Chaos Dragons which like their namesake was rather chaotic.
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Ok so here is my entire premise and something that bothered me a little when I read it.
Prince of Havoc (Twilight of the Clans VII) Chapter 4, pages 41 to 45
When Victor challenges the Clans to a Trial of Refusal over the entire matter of the invasion isn't this a second bite at the apple. I mean I hate to be the resident Mongoose in the room here citing legalities but the 3rd Battle Cluster of the Wolf Clan attempted to overturn the Grand Council go vote which went down 32-2 and was ultimately defeated. So how can the 'Star League' just come along and retread the entire incident. They should not have been able to.
So I propose this is where the alternate challenge comes into play and rather than the Great Refusal we have the Warden Harvest. Victor citing the relatively recent example of Khan Vlad Ward and Khan Marthe Pryde (who successfully began the Crusader Harvest) calls for the Defenders of the Star League to join him (the Commander of the Star League Expeditionary Forces) in their rightful place. As collateral he wagers the seized holdings of the Smoke Jaguars (de facto absorbed by the Star League) against any would be challengers.
This is what he has comes to bid, the Clans return to the InnerSphere, not as Invaders but as its Defenders.
Thoughts?
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How would the Word of Blake react?
How so Ice? I would think aside from their Invader reputation and alien ways - which are tough to get over I will grant you - zell would be a major plus on the idea of the Clans serving as the defenders of the Star League.
Not really a practical way of waging warfare when facing total warfare.
You can find plenty of examples of that in history.
So I propose this is where the alternate challenge comes into play and rather than the Great Refusal we have the Warden Harvest. Victor citing the relatively recent example of Khan Vlad Ward and Khan Marthe Pryde (who successfully began the Crusader Harvest) calls for the Defenders of the Star League to join him (the Commander of the Star League Expeditionary Forces) in their rightful place. As collateral he wagers the seized holdings of the Smoke Jaguars (de facto absorbed by the Star League) against any would be challengers.
I was never sure if the Clans recognized the new Star League as the true one.
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How would the Word of Blake react?
Don't forget Katherine! There are so many fun possibilities when Victor arrives back in the InnerSphere at the head of the new SLDF. ;)
Not really a practical way of waging warfare when facing total warfare.
You can find plenty of examples of that in history.
Remember here the Clans would return to serve as a peacekeeping force not pursuing total war against the InnerSphere.
I was never sure if the Clans recognized the new Star League as the true one.
Your absolutely right with the exception of Nova Cat in canon but what I am asking in the case of this alternate which Clans would sign on to defend the League if asked?
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Remember here the Clans would return to serve as a peacekeeping force not pursuing total war against the InnerSphere.
Peacekeeping by the invaders? With people ready to fight for a single word?
Using the Clans as peacekeepers is not the best use for them, they are meant to be used against specific targets, unleashing the might of the Star League against those unwilling to ... (just put whatever suits you here).
And the introduction of Inner Sphere Clans just shows that there are the units after which the SLDF is modelled, that they are supposed to be the spearhead of the new SLDF.
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Life ain't perfect Ice and would you rather have the Clans out there look for a fight or under the command of Victor Steiner ready to maintain the peace of the Star League?
Are you saying none of the Clans other than Nova Cat and Wolf-In-Exile would be tempted to return and defend the Star League?
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Would they really be content being glorified babysitters you could be inviting them in only for them to be discontented shortly afterwards. They are born warriors sfter all
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If your a Warden aren't you out to protect the InnerSphere and the Star League from outside threats? Namely the Crusader Clans??
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Yes you are but when reality settles in would they be happy with it. Be careful of what you wish for is my thoughts they may not be able to blend in with the huge culture shock
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Would they really be content being glorified babysitters you could be inviting them in only for them to be discontented shortly afterwards. They are born warriors sfter all
Bradshaw said the same thing I did but with other words.
I just wanted to say that peacekeeping and Clans make more than 2. War against Clans or other threats... now this is something else.
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So no Clan except for Nova Cat would answer the call to defend the Star League?
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I find it hard for any clan really, some individual warriors. I never understood why nova cat did other than mystical reasons. Just like canon though anything is possible if the ptb wish it
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So no Clan except for Nova Cat would answer the call to defend the Star League?
I didn't say that. It might be complicated but my main point is that you will have to use for other things than babysitting.
If you play along their sensibilities, it could work. The main problem being that there is no external threats, unless everyone that tries to destroy the Star League is one.
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The Star League always will have enemies my friend both internal and external. Even in this scenario when some Clans leave to safeguard it there will still be enough Crusaders left to be a threat.
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Here are a few more story seeds that I am thinking over for this alternate.
Visionaries - The Nova Cats were the first to embrace the Star League thanks to their mysticism but three other Warden Clans are also share a strong visionary connection. From the religious Cloud Cobras, to Coyote spiritualists, and necrosia drinking Goliath Scorpions these seers may differ in their approaches but could they all share the same mission divined from beyond.
Victor Steiner - Among the Cloud Cobra bloodnames is an unmistakable link to a Great House which my main protagonist is unmistakably linked. Could the Commander of the SLDF enter the Grand Melee for the hollowed legacy of a Clansman while he is in the neighborhood and win new standing among those who he means to lead?
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I think you'd need descent from the founder of the bloodline or from someone very close to them. I forget the exact connection Phelan had to the Ward founder.
While the Steiner bloodname does descend from a member of House Steiner I don't know that it was that close to the mainline.
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Well sarna.net has this information on the founder of the Steiner bloodname which I will assume for the proposes of this story that Victor has a genetic link to.
the illegitimate son of Paul Steiner, one of the SLDF soldiers who left the Inner Sphere with General Kerensky. It is unknown when Kailen was born, but he was old enough in 2821 to have fought with Nicholas Kerensky and establish the Clans, forming the basis for the Steiner Bloodhouse within Clan Cloud Cobra.
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Kailen_Steiner
I'd have to take a look at House Steiner Sourcebook to see if Paul Steiner was on the family tree for further information.
And just another point for contention here to Anastasius Focht (aka Frederick Steiner), the victor of Tukayyid, is also along for the ride. If Victor qualifies.....
It is for these reasons that I have so strongly included Cloud Cobra as a Star League Clan but Coyote no matter what spiritual sign they have hates them with a passion. Plus I would say they are among the more traditional Clans so I have trouble seeing the entire Clan saying 'Yeah, lets join the Star League!'.
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I think you'd need descent from the founder of the bloodline or from someone very close to them. I forget the exact connection Phelan had to the Ward founder.
While the Steiner bloodname does descend from a member of House Steiner I don't know that it was that close to the mainline.
Phelan was the son of Salome Ward, a direct descendant of Michael Ward, founder of the Ward Bloodname.
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I think you'd need descent from the founder of the bloodline or from someone very close to them. I forget the exact connection Phelan had to the Ward founder.
While the Steiner bloodname does descend from a member of House Steiner I don't know that it was that close to the mainline.
Phelan was the son of Salome Ward, a direct descendant of Michael Ward, founder of the Ward Bloodname.
Checked the reference and the founder of the bloodname was Michael's son Jal, but it was claimed that Jal went with the Exodus because his father couldn't.
The only Paul Steiner I'm aware of was the grandfather of Claudius the Cruel. He was LCAF commander under his siblings Robert and Jennifer. While Sarna implies that Paul Steiner fought alongside Kerensky neither of the two sourcebooks referenced back that up so that could be an error. It would be entirely possible that it was only Kailen who joined the SLDF, the Exodus and eventually the Clans.
And relevantly, although Paul was the youngest sibling, Victor is a descendant. Of course, as a non-SLDF member, ancestry from him may not carry much weight with the Clans.
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Checked the reference and the founder of the bloodname was Michael's son Jal, but it was claimed that Jal went with the Exodus because his father couldn't.
The only Paul Steiner I'm aware of was the grandfather of Claudius the Cruel. He was LCAF commander under his siblings Robert and Jennifer. While Sarna implies that Paul Steiner fought alongside Kerensky neither of the two sourcebooks referenced back that up so that could be an error. It would be entirely possible that it was only Kailen who joined the SLDF, the Exodus and eventually the Clans.
And relevantly, although Paul was the youngest sibling, Victor is a descendant. Of course, as a non-SLDF member, ancestry from him may not carry much weight with the Clans.
Thanks for checking drak, I didn't get the time to yesterday. Paul Steiner could also be someone who was just made up too, there are a lot of Steiners running around and not all make the family tree.
Phelan wasn't an original SLDF member either but it did impress the Wolves enough in 3049. The problem with Victor participating in a Trial of Bloodright is that he is not a Clansman. He hasn't been taken by a Clan or accepted by one after being a bondsman. While a quick process from either the Nova Cats or Cloud Cobra is story possible I don't see it.
However in this case Victor has conquered a Clan and for this storyline sake is here to complete the Absorption of the Smoke Jaguars not the Annihilation. So by pointing that fact out that could entitle his participation.
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However in this case Victor has conquered a Clan and for this storyline sake is here to complete the Absorption of the Smoke Jaguars not the Annihilation. So by pointing that fact out that could entitle his participation.
But one Clan he has impressed could perform a Ritual of Adoption.
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But one Clan he has impressed could perform a Ritual of Adoption.
That would be interesting - I suppose for story sake I could work out a deal with Cloud Cobra since they own and defend the Steiner legacy.
I do have more on this thread but I just haven't found the time to jot it all down yet. Please stay tuned!
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If Victor was a believer in the unfinished book movement he'd fit right in with Cloud Cobra. Doesn't the ritual of adoption require one to be a bondsman or a lower caste member though?
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If Victor was a believer in the unfinished book movement he'd fit right in with Cloud Cobra.
I believe 20 Year Update has a very short blurb about him being raised as a Lutheran in Steiner tradition but I've never once seen religion come into play with his character other than that short aside in his first bio.
Focht might be a better fit with his ComStar-ism.
Doesn't the ritual of adoption require one to be a bondsman or a lower caste member though?
I am not sure buddy but you would think it would. Victor did take his Trial of Position with the Wolf Dragoons if I remember correctly although I am not sure how he did exactly I know he passed. He does have an impressive codex with numerous successful battle fought against the Clans from Bulldog to Coventry to Teniente.
We could either have Nova Cat, Cloud Cobra or Goliath Scorpion adopt him but again if he claims the Rite of Absorption against the Smoke Jaguars would he already have standing with the Clans?
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Think he had two kills finishing 3rd but doubt that trial would hold weight as it wasnt live ammo
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Think he had two kills finishing 3rd but doubt that trial would hold weight as it wasnt live ammo
There are a number of reasons to diss that contest including the fact it was performed by the Wolf Dragoons. Although the Mechwarriors he beat were pretty good if I remember correctly. And using a variation on a theme, this time Marthe Pryde, she blooded a bunch of her new sibbies against InnerSphere opponents in an irregular way for the Clans.
here are some more notes I managed to jot down last night for this developing alternate -
Victor’s New Statement (event) – The Star League is here to complete the Rite of Absorption enacted by the Star League High Council against the Smoke Jaguar Clan. Their horrendous treatment of civilians and wasteful brutality has forever marred their honor but all is not lost. The Crusade that they did begin did in fact restore the Star League and their assets will form the core of the new SLDF along with any other Wardens who wish to join us. (site Vlad’s anyone who wishes to join the invasion must join us)
Vlad’s Reckoning (Theme) – all of the stuff Vladimir Ward has been up to since the Refusal War starts to bite him back here. First, the Crusader takeover of the Wolves has certainly alienated Coyote and its perhaps the best reason for them to back the Star League in spite of their traditional nature. Second, the Warden Harvest as called for here by Victor is born directly out of Vlad’s Crusader Harvest. Third, the birth of his Jade Wolves then rebirth of the new Wolves has also set a precedent other Clans can now take to divide themselves legally and without the contest of the Grand Council. (I have two Clans splits to propose here to you guys just ran out of time, will post details later)
Bear Necessities – Citing the Battle of Trafalgar (December 3059) between Task Force Serpent and a Ghost Bear Naval Convoy perhaps Victor is aware of the Clan’s move to the InnerSphere. If so can he flip them to a support by threating them with a backlash if he reveals there secret?
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Couldnt they really offer a series of trials similar to the one for invasion corridors and the winner become the ilClan in charge of the SLDF? I know it was originally to become first lord but what claim do they have to it greater than any of the houses
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Couldnt they really offer a series of trials similar to the one for invasion corridors and the winner become the ilClan in charge of the SLDF? I know it was originally to become first lord but what claim do they have to it greater than any of the houses
That is interesting, especially since that is why I was considering Cloud Cobra to flip for more than just visionary reasons. They seem very political and calculating to me. If they can add Victor to their Clan who is already the Commander of the SLDF then it puts them in a very advantageous position.
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From everything ive read them and snow raven are considered very Machiavellian
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Doesn't the ritual of adoption require one to be a bondsman or a lower caste member though?
I am not sure buddy but you would think it would. Victor did take his Trial of Position with the Wolf Dragoons if I remember correctly although I am not sure how he did exactly I know he passed. He does have an impressive codex with numerous successful battle fought against the Clans from Bulldog to Coventry to Teniente.
I read the books and it is not really clear.
The only thing certain is that he would have to bear the name of his adopted Clan.
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Field manual warden clans page 14
Cant copy and paste it comes out wrong
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Page 12 of Field Manual Crusader Clans has this blurb under Formal Rituals. Page 14 of Field Manual Warden Clans is exactly the same - word for word.
Ritual of Adoption
In this ritual , an individual from outside a given Clan's warrior caste is adopted into that caste. The adoptee may be a bondsman taken in battle or a member of a Clan's lower castes rising to warrior status. In some Clans-in most Clans with regard to freeborn warriors-adoption is a matter of paperwork, and the ceremony is held only after the warrior has demonstrated his or her worth to the Clan. In the ritual, the adoptee must usually walk a gauntlet, being challenged three times and then defended by aerospace pilots, Elementals and MechWarriors. The order of challenges is set by the type of warrior the adoptee is becoming. When adopted, a freeborn warrior bondsman is traditionally given an honorname reflecting his or her new Clan. For example, a Clan Wolf adoptee is given the last name of Wolf.
This blurb is from page 158 in Field Manual Warden Clans under Wolf-in-Exile.
The Wolves still observe only the formal Clan-wide rituals, such as the Rite of Maturity and the adoption ceremony. The Wolf adoption ceremony is open to freeborn warriors who have proven their worth in battle. The Rite of Maturity is held after a cadet's Trial of Position and includes the gift of a new warrior's ceremonial garb. Unlike some Clans, the Wolf rite requires no loyalty test: the Wolves trust the upbringing of their warriors.
Page 141 in Field Manual Crusader Clans under the Crusader Wolves is nearly if not completely identical.
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Page 46 of Clans : Warriors of Kerensky says the same.
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Here are a bunch of thoughts on what could possibly result in a Call to Arms as some Clans divide when confronted by the Warden Harvest, enjoy and as always tell me what you think!
Division of Assets – With two-thirds of the Shark Touman being composed of Wardens (see FM Warden Clans) it is possible a significant part of the Clan may want to depart the Homeworlds for deeper waters. As such Khan Ian Hawker announces the rebirth of Clan Sea Fox committed to the Crusader cause and traditional Clan honor. The Foxes would be left with one Frontline Galaxy and two Second Line Galaxies who follow their revitalized warrior Khan onward. The Sharks on the other hand have 2 Frontline Galaxies, 2 Spina Galaxies, and 1 Second Line Galaxy led by former saKhan Barbara Sennet and Angus Labov. Despite being unable to live together business is business and the two Clans become a vital link (possibly the only one) between the Homeworlds and the InnerSphere.
Break Down – The Fire Mandrills always a fractious bunch could formalize a break up begun when the Clan was originally formed. Thanks to the example set by the Diamond Sharks and others the Warden Harvest could well attract Kindraa Payne and Beyl-Grant long known to espouse that cause. Kindraa Sainze and Mattila-Carrol would no doubt lead the Crusaders of the Clan in an effort to punish these traitors. Attempts by Kindraa Faraday-Tanaga to mediate the dispute prove fruitless as each faction divides the Clan in two. Kindraa Mick-Kreese likely joins the Crusaders giving them an early advantage in the conflict while Kindraa Kline is wrecked by Crusader assaults. The remnants likely join the Wardens which may also eventually include Faraday-Tanaga which may let warriors choose their allegiance. In the end the Fire Mandrills emerge as the Warden Clan and the Dragon Swords (so named for the Sainze-Carrol ideal) become the Crusaders.
Horse Alliance –Hell’s Horses, mostly a Warden Clan, begin to identify with the St. Ives Compact whose equine sigil and heroic Mechwarrior heir are both present during the Jaguar Absorption/ Warden Harvest. This is another possible Clan which could split as they did in canon into Hell’s Horses (Wardens) and Stone Lion (Crusaders).
A Soldiers’ Duty – The Star Adders while Crusaders are as Bradshaw points out are pragmatists who I think have two ways to go. One, let the Wardens go and assume command of the “true Clans†remaining in the Homeworld who draw on the history of the Clans to show that the first Exodus and the first Invasion were noble failures but much like the Second Exodus they will isolate themselves and await Operation Klondike II. As an aside to this I could certainly see them using personnel who wished to leave as infiltrators keeping up links and the follow of information between them and the Homeworlds. Two, if a majority of Clans did embrace the Star League and choose to return the Adders may just see it as their duty but this could lead to another split perhaps seeing a renewed Burrock Crusader Clan emerge.
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And some could fight Trials of Refusal against this new Harvest.
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We've concentrated alot on the Smoke Jaguar Absorption and the Warden Harvest but lets get back to this topic right now.
One thing I was speaking with Bradshaw about today was our old home campaign lovingly called Mystic X which saw the formation of the Star League Clans following the Smoke Jaguar Annihilation where it largely diverged from canon. Here are a few things I'd like to build on in a new vision of this alternate.
Wolves and Nova Cats - likely the core of any effort to assemble this new force to help defend the Star League. Abjured but solidly behind efforts to aid the new organization it is perhaps these Clans which bring everything together.
InnerSphere Clans - imitation is the highest form of flattery and who is to say groups of InnerSphere Mechwarriors wouldn't like to join the Star League Clans in their mission to defend the greatest hope of mankind. It happened in our campaign where five such groups (Chaos Dragon, Golden Blade, Fire Serpent, Frost Panther, and Silver Tiger) joined Wolf, Nova Cat and a few others from Clan space to defend the Star League. Yes they had to pass combat trials and a host of challenges to become new Clans but answering the call went along way to establishing them as part of the Star League Clans.
Now when i established these new Clans they had to establish themselves in combat trials against the Wolves and Nova Cats. These were known as the Foundation Trials with some Clans (Mistweaver, Star Phoenix and Snord) had their origins in the Kerensky Cluster and so did not have to run the entire gambit. InnerSphere Clans (Chaos Dragon, Golden Blade, Fire Serpent, Frost Panther, and Silver Tiger) however did as they were not among the 800.
They fought for their Bloodnames, Technology, and everything else that made a Clan a Clan. Now in that setting both the Wolves (in-Exile and Dragoons) and the Nova Cat had been Abjured by the Clans as a whole. So a certain amount of liberalization was to be expected.
Here we have another scenario being considered but without going to much further what would make these new Clans platable to existing Warden Clans who elect to defend the Star League?
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Now when i established these new Clans they had to establish themselves in combat trials against the Wolves and Nova Cats. These were known as the Foundation Trials with some Clans (Mistweaver, Star Phoenix and Snord) had their origins in the Kerensky Cluster
Snord I can get (even if no Clan would ever allow them to use the name Clan) but could you elaborate where the two others come from?
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Now when i established these new Clans they had to establish themselves in combat trials against the Wolves and Nova Cats. These were known as the Foundation Trials with some Clans (Mistweaver, Star Phoenix and Snord) had their origins in the Kerensky Cluster
Snord I can get (even if no Clan would ever allow them to use the name Clan) but could you elaborate where the two others come from?
Thankfully i posted the all a while ago, enjoy!
https://www.ourbattletech.com/forum/index.php?topic=705.0
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What if these new Clans traced themselves genetically to the 800? So no new Bloodnames would have to be created rather volunteers could be incorporated like Phelan on a larger scale.
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Would be hard to impossible if need to be direct descendants as some were very young when they left on exodus. I dont think the years are enough but some could have even been born enroute to Pentagon worlds to many bbloodhouse founders are unknown. ilKhan can create new houses as seen with Kell if hes elected ilKhan by clans that switch sides can do that enmass. The only clan id probably change is Snord they should if anything merge back into wolf as well or stay mercs