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General BattleTech => Alternate Universe => Topic started by: Takiro on February 28, 2021, 04:41:45 PM
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So one of the thoughts I've been playing around with recently is that Focht returns to Earth after Tukayyid to confront Waterly about Operation Scorpion but instead of him killing her it is him that is struck down. Yeah I know that he secured Terra before he returned but the near omnipresent Word of Blake not having at least one well placed assassin nearby just seems like an opportunity missed. So as he draws his pistol it is he who 'suffers a cerebral brain hemorrhage' and dies at the hands of this blessed security guard saving Primus Waterly and perhaps avoiding the Schism or changing it altogether. At the very least a crackdown would occur on spies like Mori and apostates within the Order who if lucky may indeed flee. What do you think?
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I think ComStar would hold together but develop into the Word of Blake without the name the MD Shadow Divisions becoming their "Elite" forces
I think ComStar agents would continue what was started in Scorpion which would lead to a broken truce but a War the Clans can't prosecute
And most likely the Dragoons die quicker
Biggest problem I see is likely the Succession states are less likely to with her as she's certifiable meaning serpent is harder to arrange
Instead I could see the Occupation Zones as a whole being a target no one singled out Clan
While this would possibly cause a lot of damage it would mean that there is no Jags held out to dry moment as in Canon and instead we see reinforcements brought in by the Clans
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Would the Truce hold without Focht? In large part it was his force of personality and partnership with ilKhan Ulric Kerensky that kept it in place for as long as it lasted. Five years I think until the Refusal War in canon and a bit longer right up to Bulldog thanks to the Wolves sacrifice. Without Focht to represent the InnerSphere in a positive light and lingering doubts about who called for Operation Scorpion which could be blamed on him since he is dead.
I definitely think there would be some kind of purge in ComStar to eliminate the unbelievers and those who would undermine the Word of Blake. This could touch off a war of sorts between the Federated Commonwealth and ComStar as refugees from the order would no doubt be welcomed by the super state. Question is which House allows ComStar back to resume transmission or does FedCom try to go it alone utilizing some kind of rebel transmission company? And how successful would that be without Earth to supply parts for the HPGs.
I could see the Dragoons helping any Exiles certainly which could definitely draw the ire of Waterly.
InnerSphere wide unity would certainly be an impossibility as the two 4th Succession War camps could reemerge with a vengeance. All this probably makes any counterattack a hopeless affair.
The Clans would probably seek and receive a resumption of hostilities as rapidly as possible.
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I see Victor and the FedCom staying together now. Also a closer relationship between FedCom and Combine. The ComGuards expanded by another 20-30 Divisions in addition to the Manei Domini. The FRR becomes a ComStar occupied state seeing the Ghost Bears, Combine and FedCom liberating.
FWLM and Com Guards prep for a war against the rest and the Confederation taking advantage of any chaos to reclaim their state.
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See I'd see the FedCom split up even more likely as is the Civil War with Victor sticking at home instead of being a War Hero guaranteed Katherine backed by ComStar try horrible crap
I think you'd see the Break up of the Sarna March and the expansion of the Confederation as Canon
St Ives stands longer though either becoming the threat to Sian it should have been or part of Suns
FWL is subverted as per Canon
I think if more Clans become involved the Black Dragon card could be played early throwing more chaos
I think you're right about FRR
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Wouldn't ComStar try to eliminate the Clans like the Word of Blake did? Which would mean not respecting the truce.
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Wouldn't ComStar try to eliminate the Clans like the Word of Blake did? Which would mean not respecting the truce.
Clans couldn't advance there was no stipulation that IS couldn't attack clans hence annihilation of Jaguars
Wasn't Mori in the room with focus when she was assassinated?
She lives would be bedlam no confidence by anyone besides FWL in Comstar. Could see another interdiction as she would probably try to bully the other houses, using focht as a hero that Comstar was the only reason the clans were stopped. I don't think you'd have a schism like Canon but would probably see a large number of Comguards leave and probably a small purge of senior officers that were loyal to Focht.
She might bide her time but she doesn't seem the type I think she'd be pissed she failed and then backstabed so she might get vindictive against any perceived threat or insult and assassinate them. Been too long since read novels so can't recall everything going on in the houses now but I can't see much changing otherwise besides perhaps the tech wave of Canon might be slowed due to comstar machinations.
We know nothing about the master during this time I believe so who knows what ramifications that would have.
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The Truce was always a tenous thing Bradshaw which most Clans sought to abrogate as soon as possible. Resuming the invasion was always a Crusader priority. Don't forget the Red Corsair incident. My point is that Focht and Ulric were the respected leaders of the Truce and without them the war could be right back on.
Mori along with the rest of the First Circuit was placed in protective custody by Fort. I believe Waverly was isolated in her compound by Brion's Legion until Focht arrived. My contention is that not one of these ardent Blakists couldn't be present secretly waiting for this meeting.
I could see her trying to blame Focht and Mori for her own failures. I don't see her playing the waiting game but the Houses have control of their HPGs. They could break down gradually and be unable to fix them. Again I think Waterly would move to purge the order with loyal blakists backing.
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Bradshaw: I see what you mean. An interdiction was already underway by Com Star under Operation SCORPION. However, Due to the warning from Mori to Theodore Kurita the Combine warned the Federated Commonwealth. Hanse and Melissa ordered all of the compounds taken and they were being operated by the two nations without incident. I do foresee problems with spare parts however, I don't think that will become an issue for several years. Maybe by then the Nova Cats and the Wolves in Exile would come into play and be able to help with this issue. Hell maybe even the Diamond Sharks.
Takiro: I think with Focht out of the way it would be harder for Ulric to maintain the truce. However, even Vlad Ward held the truce until the 15 years expired but that was more of a fear of a repeat of the Smoke Jaguar Annihilation. I could see a general resumption of the Clan invasion without a Star League Trial of Annihilation against one of the Clans. I do believe the FedCom could muster the strength to annihilate the Jade Falcons or at the very least push them from the Inner Sphere. The Combine while smaller could probably do the same to the Jaguars. Or following the Falcon Offensive, Victor moves with a force to Combine Space to help remove the Jaguars. One thing a lot of people don't read into is that most of the forces fighting during Operation Bulldog are FedCom (Lyran/Suns), Combine and Mercenary. A few Capellan, Magistracy, League and so forth do participate in the offensive but not more than a couple of regiments.
I made the Clan and Inner Sphere Force Charts based off of the Field Manuals the scale of the Inner Sphere militaries is massive. I think the major factor would be the Inner Sphere allies (FedCom, Combine, Compact, "FRR" and possibly the Confederation depending on the mood of Sun Tzu) would be watching ComStar and either in a full blown war to eject them from their space or a very active Cold War. The Inner Sphere Axis powers (Com Star, FWL and possibly Confederation as he plays both sides against the middle ejecting ComStar and Word of Blake almost yearly looking for better deals on communications) will move to retake control of the HPG Network.
If I was the FedCom I would locate a world near Terra and begin building a new central station similar to Hilton Head. (although that is not what made Terra the center of the HPG Network it was all of the ground and orbital HPG's to act as relays)
I might write this as a FanFic as soon as I am done with the story I am writing.
Clan Combat Breakdown: https://1drv.ms/x/s!AjdKrlT1nk_CgaJCdWeK09GHwHgKGQ?e=2S1OEt (https://1drv.ms/x/s!AjdKrlT1nk_CgaJCdWeK09GHwHgKGQ?e=2S1OEt)
Inner Sphere Combat Breakdown: https://1drv.ms/x/s!AjdKrlT1nk_CgaJMp8iQbRdAY8peqA?e=wllu8V (https://1drv.ms/x/s!AjdKrlT1nk_CgaJMp8iQbRdAY8peqA?e=wllu8V)
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Regarding the direct aftermath of Operation Scorpion it is detailed on page 74 of the ComStar Sourcebook (FASA1655) -
ComStar controlled 22% of the HPGs in the Federated Commonwealth
ComStar controlled 18% of the HPGs in the Draconis Combine
ComStar controlled 70% of the HPGs in the Capellan Confederation
ComStar controlled 90% of the HPGs in the Free Worlds League
ComStar controlled all but the Tukayyid HPG in the Free Rasalhague Republic
Kasaga I am not sure about the breakdown issue being so minor as the ComStar is likely going to try and sabotage equipment going forward knowing that only they can fix it. Obviously NAIS, the Wolf Dragoons (who showed knowledge of the inner workings of an HPG prior), and other institutions would be prioritized to address the breakdown/maintenance issue. It could be a significant problem or issue in the near term.
You are absolutely right Kasaga about the vested in interest that some Clans would have about not resuming the invasion. Smoke Jaguar attempted a Sixth Wave described in FM Draconis Combine which was utterly repulsed and have a terribly damaged touman at this time. While they might make noise they would do little to push for a renewed invasion they could not win. Jade Falcon is probably in the best shape and most likely to push for a renewed invasion quickly banking on the fact that they could still win but they are opposed by Wolf. Ghost Bear is gradually changing its Crusader tone at this time but they are always cautious in any event. Steel Viper is a Clan divided right now but over the next few years in canon they attack the Jade Falcons more than the FedCom. Nova Cat is also reeling from losses at Luthien and Tukayyid with visions leading them to not be hasty at all. Diamond Shark was just crushed on Tukayyid and ejected from their lone Periphery holding as well so on the surface I count 1 of 7 invading clans to be out for an immediate renewal. How does the interstellar communication system effect their strategic decision making?? An excellent question.
I really see the InnerSphere divided into a ComStar camp (FWL, CC, FRR, and likely the Periphery) and a FedCom camp (SIC, OWA maybe, and DC likely here for now but could come into to play). Both parties do share a loathing of the Clans however and could be co-belligerents but not allies working in Second Star League fashion to take down the Invaders. It's more of a three sided affair which is an interesting set up going forward.
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Takiro: Yes, completly agree. I also haven't looked at the ComStar Source Book in many moons. I will look into that going forward should I venture down that path. yeah I didn't think about the Jaguars 6th wave. I do know they were hammered hard during Luthien, Tukayyid and wave 5. I also agree with the Falcons being the strongest. At least before the refusal war. I agree with the two camps. As I laid out as well. I am just fuzzy on who is who other than CS/FWL and FC/DC.
I also forgot the Dragoons could help with HPG's.
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I just looked up Wave Six on sarna.net which does have it cited nicely.
Smoke Jaguar Wave Six
On the 4th June 3052, only two weeks after the Battle of Tukayyid the Jaguars unleashed Delta Galaxy in what appeared to be a scaled down sixth wave. The targets were Tanh Linh, Baruun Urt, and McAlister. They were the only Clan to even consider such an action. On Tanh Linh the 42nd Dieron Regulars were destroyed by the 3rd Jaguar Cavaliers, and only a rear attack by the arriving Second An Ting Legion forced the Jaguars off-planet in a pyrrhic victory. The Baruun Ust attack was little more than a heavy raid, beaten back by the 6th Ghost Regiment of the DCMS. The 19th Striker Cluster probably carried out this attack. On McAlister the 8th Ghost Regiment was reduced to a single battalion, before the attackers were forced to pull out. It is likely that this battle shattered the 1st Jaguar Striker Cluster. The failure to take these planets finally appears to have convinced the Jaguars to accept the Truce of Tukayyid.
citations Field Manual: Draconis Combine, p. 98,117,118
There are a few immediate issues to tackle in this alternate.
1. Brion's Legion. Focht sent a trusted personal envoy to this main unit of the Terran Defense Force to insure their loyalty. I have no doubt they are loyal to the Precentor Martial but he's dead... Can the Primus escape... Does fighting break out on Earth... what happens?
2. Mori and the First Circuit. Taken into protective custody this group has a lot of explaining to do no matter who is in charge. Mori was connected to Waterly very closely. She was her protégé, how do you explain she was a spy and you missed it?
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agreed. What is Brions Legion informed on Focht?
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They are mercenaries rescued by ComStar during the 4th Succession War. There very well could have been a Blakist infiltrator in the unit.
I was thinking that it could be a ROM agent attached to the Primus for security but you could even get crazier than that. We know that secrets were kept on top of secrets by different factions within ComStar (see the Hidden Worlds, Minnesota Tribe, etc, etc..) so there could be some ultra secret group tasking itself with the Guardianship of the Word. Or it could be some ROM agent assigned to shadow Focht since his first day to ensure his loyalty.
It all boils down to how much the Blakists trusted him in the first place and while they may have needed his expertise to assemble the ComGuards they certainly never truly warmed to him or others in their Blessed Order who may have doubted Blake's true word.
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I made the Clan and Inner Sphere Force Charts based off of the Field Manuals the scale of the Inner Sphere militaries is massive.
I think it was obvious from the beginning. To check it, I used your Clan charts to break down the Clans in Regiments and I will compare it to your new charts.
But this makes me wonder about the legacy of the Great Father... As a strategist, he failed.
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You'd think Terra would have little forces on Terra at this time, ripe for conquest. Even just an interdiction on the system.
As I saw someone say Wolf Dragoons could provide the needed know how to get the houses up to speed on their own production and maintenance of HPGs
Wouldn't that stick a craw up Comstars butt.
What affect would this on Hanse Davions death would isis and sun tzu still get engaged
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You'd think Terra would have little forces on Terra at this time, ripe for conquest. Even just an interdiction on the system.
As I saw someone say Wolf Dragoons could provide the needed know how to get the houses up to speed on their own production and maintenance of HPGs
Wouldn't that stick a craw up Comstars butt.
What affect would this on Hanse Davions death would isis and sun tzu still get engaged
Remember Sun Tzu only wanted to marry Isis for political gain. I think "Thomas" still didn't want his "Daughter" to marry him but did it as a political break on the FedCom. It was a long engagement that lasted until Sun Tzu found Naomi in the Magistracy and formed the Trinity Alliance. Which put him on parity with the FWL adding Taurian and Canopus troops to his Order of Battle when needed. Without Danai Dying in the great refusal she would still be heir. However, I think Sun Tzu would have figured something out like he did with the Taurian's.
Just looked at Sarna for Bulldog. The Com Guards commited 12 Divisions to that Operation plus the 2nd Division to Serpent. The Combine had 38 regiments. The LAAF/FedCom (I would put these numbers together at this point as I don't see Katherine ripping the Commonwealth apart without the other things in play such as the Word of Blake looking to cause as much disruption as possible.) deployed a combined 14 regiments 9 of those were RCT's plus the Kathil Uhlans and the Eridani Light Horse who were still under contract to the Commonwealth prior to selection for Operation Serpent.
The FWL only deployed 3 regiments, the Capellans deployed 4 along with the 1st Canopus Cuirassiers, St. Ives deployed 2 brigades, the FRR deployed the 3rd Drakons and the Exiled Wolves 5 Clusters. Another 3 or 4 regiments of mercenaries in support.
I can still see the FedCom deploying at least 10 brigades (I say this because they won't just deploy a 'Mech regiment) to assist the Combine, another 2 from the Compact and possibly the Capellans. If only for the combat experience and the technology. The Wolves would still deploy if they were not going to target the Falcons with the rest of the FedCom. I can see this Allied force targeting the Jaguars because as Takrio stated they are the weakest.
Here is the kicker. Without the Star League backing them. I see the Crusader Wolves, Falcons, Vipers, and others renewing the invasion. I believe the threat of the balance of the Lyran, Free Worlds and Capellan militaries moving against the rest of the occupation zones kept the Falcons and Wolves in check. The Bears were already secretly moving everything to the OZ themselves so they wouldn't want to poke them with a stick.
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The Clans bit off more than they could chew but in this scenario look like they get lucky and provoke not a single response but a distinct two power response (FedCom v. ComStar) that is very polar. All three hate each other equally it would appear.
I doubt any actual combat would take place in this Fochtless ComStar vs FedCom world for the time being. Both sides are way too out of balance strategically (troops at the Clan front or badly damaged, communications down or reduced, etc.) to conduct such a offensive operations right now.
It would be interesting to see the Wolf Dragoons and ComStar heretics working together with the FedCom and probably the Draconis Combine to build a new HPG network. What would the communications competitor name be? They'd have a huge coverage area. The Dragoons can also screen the ranks for Blakist infiltrators.
Hanse's death would still happen I think which would help immobilize any military venture against Earth. The Isis-Sun Tzu pairing also makes sense at this time too as ComStar would be out to bless the union of two Houses with the proper faith in its communications.
I still think it is way too early to consider Bulldog, many things have to be sorted out it this Fochtless world. ;)
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agreed on to early for Bulldog. that's just to show that the Combine and the FedCom have the forces without the rest of the Inner Sphere. So trying to wrangle ComStar into it for unity sake isn't needed.
Here is a crazy thought. With CS/FWL/CC alliance I see FedCom reinforcing the Sarna March heavily from units in the Sun's State Command.
I also see Melissa Steiner-Davion living or at least being assassinated directly by ComStar and not the weird twists from WoB through Katherine and Ryan Steiner. (At least that's my theory. )
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I could see both events but Melissa's assassination might be a cause for FedCom unity rather than collapse.
In the war between FedCom and ComStar here could the Draconis Combine be the first battlefield. Traditionalist eager to return to the old ways are certainly present and attractive allies for ComStar to foster. Knocking off Theodore and his family while safeguarding Takashi who certainly could not be moved on by Theodore now.
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I could definitely see FedCom unity. Especially if Com Star attacks shortly after the assassination. I could also see the Black Dragons making a move on Theodore and trying to use Takashi as a puppet.
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If there was open conflict between Comstar and the FC I could easily seeing the Crusader clans, especially the home ones, using that as incentive to nullify the Truce. Not that the Clans with their interclan strife having a valid argument, but they have always been to see others supposed flaws and not their own.
Technically the 7 invading clans was a bid. I could see them saying that they were breaking their bid and using additional forces. At least that would be my interpretation of it. Could easily see an additional 2 to 4 clans being activated, either with reinforcing corridors or more than likely adding and additional 2 ones outside the Falcon/Viper and Jaguar/Nova Cat ones.
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Don't forget the Diamond Sharks was also a reinforcement clan.
Correction. I just looked again the Reserve Clans all came into play on Tukayyid. The Vipers and Cats actively had corridors. The Sharks were in the reserve for the Bears.
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The Sharks were in reserve like the Steel Vipers were initially. While the merchant Clan conquered the Periphery world of Nyserta from the Ghost Bears upon their activation they did little else during the invasion. Tukayyid was an unmitigated disaster for the Clan and Ghost Bear kicked them off Nyserta leaving them with only deep Periphery holdings and little else.
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another thing to think about. ComStar can't start out the War in an Asymmetrical assault. Fighting from all of their garrisons or even concentrated in Division size from across the Innet Sphere. They are all on Tukayyid right now and battered to hell from that fight. They lost 40% outright dead and more wounded. Not all of the wounded will be able to recover from injuries. Call it minimum of 60% of ComStar gone. So out of the 12 Armies and 72 Divisions they have what 28.8 divisions left? They would now most likely wouldn't be allowed to return to their garrisons in the Combine and FedCom without Focht and Mori to smooth things over.
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I would think at the point where Focht now dies there would only be militia and Brion's Legion on planet. Any other reference for divisions on Terra fought at Tukayyid so probably not returned yet to rebuild.
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Focht did a Tour of the InnerSphere in canon (ComStar Sourcebook) to negotiate new service contracts with the Great Houses. It is difficult to see Waterly doing the same except with the Free Worlds League and Capellan Confederation.
I would think a number of ComGuards would defect to whatever counter agency is born by Mori. Likely granted asylum by the FedCom and Draconis Combine these disaffected veterans would garrison the new secular HPG network. However, Waterly will attempted to spin the news of Focht's 'death' in my vision of events just as he did with her in canon. No doubt much of the organization will hang in the balance whoever is believed.
Your right Bradshaw, the only military forces other than Brion's Legion might be the Training Units at Sandhurst and on Mars. ROM security forces are no doubt present as well and Focht seemed to secure everything nicely in canon for his takeover. In this chaotic situation without him to stabilize things who knows what happens? Plus don't discount the possibility of some super secret Blakist force striking after his death. I wouldn't have more than a battalion of Mechs in this ad hoc Blakist response but it could further a Terran Civil War.
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I could her doing so, but I don't think it would be a very friendly negotiation with all the parties involved. Basically trying to strong-arm them into submitting. Possibly using a "breakdown" in certain realms during the visits to stress the point.
Wolfnet unfortunately is already used for the name of rival company. Only thing that comes to mind is Packcom or Packstar.
I could possibly see FC giving Version 1 Blackbox as a supplement tech for the company, considering their on version 5 or 6 I believe. And we know Comstar and DC has that at least. Especially DC.
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I didn't think ComStar had the Fax machines. I do know Combine captured some during the War of 39.
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I didn't think ComStar had the Fax machines. I do know Combine captured some during the War of 39.
From Sarna
However, during the war the Draconis Combine was able to recover several black boxes, and would use them during the War of 3039. While not completely lax in their encryption protocols, neither the Lyrans nor Suns believed that the Combine had access to their technology, and so many of their messages were intercepted and used against them during the war.[3] ComStar also became aware of the black box technology, and stepped up efforts to target members of the Department of Military Communications.[4] Realizing that their enemies had access to their technology, FedCom redoubled their efforts to encrypt their transmissions, though it would not be until 3051 during the Clan Invasion that the Combine formally revealed its own possession of black boxes.[3]
So Comstar knew of them but doesn't sound like had any
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Cool, thanks.
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More thoughts on this topic I had just last month.
As I attempted to layout in the very briefest of blurbs what happens if Focht is killed confronting Waterly rather than what happened in canon? Either a well-placed ROM assassin, bodyguard, or perhaps even the Primus herself secretly armed with a weapon dispatches the Precentor Martial. What happens?
Focht the Villian and the Void – Waterly pins all the bad press from Operation Scorpion on Focht, apostates like Mori, and other heretics within ComStar. However, the mere death of the Precentor Martial is enough without the disgrace to call into question the Truce. Not only would the Crusaders call to abrogate the agreement be bolstered but Wardens like Ulric would likely be angered by the death of an opponent they respected and suspect did not actually betray them. So, while Waterly maybe able to spin doctor herself clean of any negative consequences within the Order from Scorpion the death of Focht both physically and publicly may ensure the Clan invasion continues immediately. With the ComGuards largely remaining in the Free Rasalhague Republic this could mean hostilities resume for that force still battered from Tukayyid and likewise the Clans.
End of the Interdiction – Remember as a consequence of Operation Scorpion most of the InnerSphere powers seized the HPG Network. Now the Free Worlds League and Capellan Confederation could probably get their stuff turned back on but what about the Federated Commonwealth and the Draconis Combine?? No doubt one key part of turning the lights back on would be the return of any wanted ComStar personnel. A renewed Clan push in the wake of this likely gives all sides reason to compromise if only to try and halt the juggernaut once more. Would the Steiner-Davions and/or the Kuritas even trust Waterly at this point given their inside knowledge of what really happened.
The Master – how does the Master and Primus Waterly interact following these events? Obviously I see him and the Blakist of canon being supporters of the Primus but do they disclose themselves to her or do they remain secret? In any event I see a still largely united ComStar conducting a purge in search of all those who betrayed them.
The Swords of Focht – while a number of Techs would no doubt escape or try to escape a new ROM purge the establishment of a rival HPG company could be a tall order. So a secular Word of Blake led by Mori for example would likely be unlikely because while they have the Draconis Combine and the Federated Commonwealth to take them in they probably lack sufficient numbers to set up a fully functioning counter operation to ComStar. However, I do see a large independent (mercenary) group of former ComGuards setting up operations.
Renewed Clan Invasion
Wave 6 (June 4, 3052 - Retribution)
Following the death of Focht
Strikes down on the remnants of the Free Rasalhague Republic
Tukayyid, Ueda, Dehgolan, and Grumium attacked by Wolf
Karbala, Al, Hillah, Orestes, Meachem, and Fatima attacked by Jade Falcon
Meilen, Keisen, Najha, and Pilkhua attacked by Ghost Bear
Tomans, Rasalgethi, Fort Loudon, Kelenfold, and Menkent attacked by Steel Viper
Tanh Linh, Baruun Urt, and McAlister attacked by Smoke Jaguar (Delta Galaxy)
Dumaring, Babuyan, and Odabasi attacked by Nova Cat
Wave 7 (January 2, 3053, Revival Expansion, follows a tactical pause)
Addition of the Home Clans
Their addition to two additional flanking corridors (Epsilon and Zeta)
Additional Flankers (Revival Trials next up)
Blood Spirit 1-2 Zeta (Draconis Combine)
Coyote 1-2 Epsilon (Federated Commonwealth)
Fire Mandrill 1-2 Zeta (Draconis Combine)
Goliath Scorpion 1-2 Epsilon (Federated Commonwealth)
Raiding Clans (Revival Trials lowest combat performers)
Burrock 0-2
Ice Hellion 0-2
Hell’s Horses 0-2
Reserve Clans
Diamond Shark Declines advancement
Star Adder
Snow Raven
Cloud Cobra
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okay my thought on this
I'm not sure Waterly lives long... Before a Master Supporter off her for messing up their plan
The Truce Will Fail, because the Clan Pirates trusted Focht to hold his end of the Deal but no one else...
Comstar will break into at least groups..
Mori (if she survives) if not another leads to the "Modern Comstar" which Breaks away
The Master controls "Old School Comstar" from the Shadows
The Magic Masters a Merc/Corp Business [think run combo of Battle Magic and Team Banzai]
Guardian Legion = Ex-Comstar Military who want to take active measures vrs the Clans. Now is there going to be "unofficial" support from both Comstars
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Why would ComGuards split?
40% fatalities and even more injured means it is not efficient and need to be able to be reequiped, transported... In other words, they are not worth anything for some time, will need reinforcements and equipments, which might bring new old minded recruits (if Waterly plays well her cards).
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Why would ComGuards split?
40% fatalities and even more injured means it is not efficient and need to be able to be reequiped, transported... In other words, they are not worth anything for some time, will need reinforcements and equipments, which might bring new old minded recruits (if Waterly plays well her cards).
When Bradshaw and I thought it through we had to ask why would ComStar split. Even if Mori gets away you just don't have the same kind of situation with Focht dead and Waterly in command. Perhaps a few Techs might try to escape the inevitable ROM purge that would follow the failure of Operation Scorpion and Focht's failed coup. Certainly not enough to staff the FedCom's HPGs perhaps the Draconis Combine's network and with the Clans aggrieved by the Precentor Martial's 'death' well talk about communications issues.
Any renegade organization, even one backed by a Great House, would face enormous difficulties. They have no fallback position of their own (the Hidden Worlds) like the Word of Blake did in canon and would be entirely dependent on existing materiel aka technology for the HPGs. You could be faced with a Third Succession War salvage mentally which could force said renegades to cannibalize parts from one HPG to operate another. As I said before maybe this is possible on the scope of the Draconis Combine but no way would enough personnel defect to staff the FedCom network.
I think the ComGuards are more likely to see a defection because of Focht's stature. He built them as a force and lead them to victory only to be betrayed as some believe by the Primus even though the official storyline would be different. That's why I think you see a Sword of Focht mercenary-esque unit emerge following this event.
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I think the ComGuards are more likely to see a defection because of Focht's stature. He built them as a force and lead them to victory only to be betrayed as some believe by the Primus even though the official storyline would be different. That's why I think you see a Sword of Focht mercenary-esque unit emerge following this event.
But technically and from a propaganda point of view Myndo Waterly brought them to their new status and appointed Focht, so if she plays her cards well, she could rally the tired and disoriented ComGuards and brings in ROM to ensure that everybody stays in line.
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Why would ComGuards split?
40% fatalities and even more injured means it is not efficient and need to be able to be reequiped, transported... In other words, they are not worth anything for some time, will need reinforcements and equipments, which might bring new old minded recruits (if Waterly plays well her cards).
My take was not so much a spilt of the now combat ineffective Comguard, because they need to reform and rebuild.
Guardian Legion is part the of those warriors who want revenage and want it now, not waiting for the Comguards to be rebuilt. Part of the reason that they draw "support" from both sides of Comstar, is both is hoping to bring them back into the fold and as a way to do trial by fire of newer warriors/tech staff.
The Magic Masters is a mix of warriors and large tech/research staff, who now want to do design work for $$$
Both will be heavy ROM, staffing...
ROM = Yes they were mostly the Hard Core WOB true believers, but as we saw the factions that came from WOB I expect some Modernized "ROM" to defect to "Rebel" Comstar. For their own safety, hopefully the "Rebel" Comstar shoots them all..
Waterly won't survive 6 months, before 1 of the Master Hands removes her, most likely either a Martyr Death, or a Horrible Accident like her transport plows into liquid propane tank farm. The reason Operation Scorpion failed and publicly blackened the name of Comstar. And showed everyone we are not the savior of mankind, nor innocent of actions against the Houses.
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The ComGuards could very well be combat ineffective as they lost their commander and now face a renewed Clan invasion. I laid this out in my first post back here.
Renewed Clan Invasion
Wave 6 (June 4, 3052 - Retribution)
Following the death of Focht
Strikes down on the remnants of the Free Rasalhague Republic
Tukayyid, Ueda, Dehgolan, and Grumium attacked by Wolf
Karbala, Al, Hillah, Orestes, Meachem, and Fatima attacked by Jade Falcon
Meilen, Keisen, Najha, and Pilkhua attacked by Ghost Bear
Tomans, Rasalgethi, Fort Loudon, Kelenfold, and Menkent attacked by Steel Viper
Tanh Linh, Baruun Urt, and McAlister attacked by Smoke Jaguar (Delta Galaxy)
Dumaring, Babuyan, and Odabasi attacked by Nova Cat
Without a clear commander, communications, and all those causalities could they hope to survive this renewed onslaught?