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What about the re rise of  Marsins?

Instead it's temporary measures to hold the region together (albeit with an expanding idea of what constitutes the region) in the absence of coherent national government. By the middle of the Civil War Katherine is no longer exercising control over much of the Federated Suns, but Victor has not really imposed a coherent replacement government yet. And no one appears to be taking Yvonne seriously at all.

But they shouldn't act too soon or Katherine might decide they are against her and send some troops there.

Quote from: drakensis on March 18, 2012, 05:46:13 AM

Instead it's temporary measures to hold the region together (albeit with an expanding idea of what constitutes the region) in the absence of coherent national government. By the middle of the Civil War Katherine is no longer exercising control over much of the Federated Suns, but Victor has not really imposed a coherent replacement government yet. And no one appears to be taking Yvonne seriously at all.

But they shouldn't act too soon or Katherine might decide they are against her and send some troops there.

I refer you back to post #11 of this thread where I discuss this in quite a bit of detail.

Well I have one better for you than the return of the Marsins. A quote from Handbook House Davion.

After the conclusion of the [Davion Civil] war, there was only one prince left in place—Prince Nuno Gutierrez on the Outer March capital of Filtvelt, who had remained completely out of the war—but the march noble and bureaucratic structures were still strongly in place.

Perhaps House Gutierrez could make its return here in your scenario. Now there isn't much said other than that about the whole episode but First Prince Alexander Davion did abolish the Outer March in 2541. So what happened to the Outer Princes? Captured? Exiled? Who knows but it is a story and a figure from the past you could use to unite the region. After 500 years though how much of a hold will the name have? Likely not much beyond a pure historical basis but hey it could be a start.

Another thing I'm going to be doing in Clarion Call is showing the effects of establishing a Periphery March in the Lyran State during the Federated Commonwealth era. Such a move could have, and in my story will, cause some in the Crucis March to call for a reestablishment of the Outworld March. This move could provide better representation in the national government while centralizing regional authority to facilitate a better life in the Outback. However the Davion State while giving lip service to such political maneuvering likely tabled it fearing a lose of control by New Avalon.

Two things for you to consider. Not to mention the Marsins of June, the old UHC, the Reins of Woodbine, etc, etc...

Can people hold a grudge for 500 years?  Ask the Taurian Concordat.  If they're still after territory that they lost in 2600, it's not much of a stretch for House Gutierrez to still be of some importance in the region, since they were deposed only ~40 years prior to the Reunification War.

True.

It's wide open. Depending on how you write the family history, who knows how the Gutierrez family intermingled with the rest of the Federated Suns over the course of 450+ years, or whether they survived in a position of prominence at all.

Speaking of the UHC. I'm actually a little surprised they remained as quiet and content with the Federated Suns as long as they have. I'm guessing New Avalon ensures old UHC worlds are well taken care of (and no surprise there, the UHC has Panpour counted among its numbers.)

Phew. The Jihad is huge. Here's part one. Probably needs more fleshing out, but it does give a skeleton of events.


3067
July
Challenge Systems accepts a contract to expand their shipyard to carry out repairs to warships if necessary. Yvonne is wary of puting more production into the Outback and sees this as a compromise to give them support.

Nov
Second Star League unexpectedly dissolves

Dec
Blakist fleets attack New Avalon and Tharkad
AMC assault on Mars ends with the complete loss of the attack force.  Blakist warships blockade Northwind and Outreach, destroying the Dragoons' fleet and bombarding Wolf Dragoon installations on Outreach from orbit
Luthien HPG goes silent, following which the Black Dragons seize control of the world

3068
January
Word of Blake forces arrive over Luthien, triggering a three way conflict with Black Dragon and Loyalist DCMS forces, Theodore Kurita suffers a strike and falls into a coma

March
CASE WHITE attack on Terran system fails with heavy ComGuard losses
With Yvonne Steiner-Davion out of reliable contact and the Federated Suns and Crucis March governments effectively decapitated by the fighting on New Avalon, Lucy Davion appoints herself Acting Minister of the Outback March.

April
Derrick Gray killed in action on New Avalon. Survivors of the 8th Albion Hussars are folded into the Davion Guards forces still fighting on New Avalon.
Blakist raiders strike at Addicks, Edasich, Talcott, New Valencia and Crofton

May
Lucy Davion sends out unofficial - technically illegal - orders to all seven remaining Albion Hussar combat commands, calling them back to the Outback.

June
Achernar BattleMechs accept a contract to build an upgrade of their Hammerhands design at their Defiance facility.
Cal-Boeing of Dorwinion is invited by Lucy Davion to reverse-engineer a museum-piece Tiger medium tank for production at their Filtvet facility.
George Hasek launches Operation SOVEREIGN JUSTICE, invading the Capellan Confederation to liberate the St Ives Compact

August
Yvonne confirms Lucy Davion as provisional Minister of the Outback March
AFFS commandos backed by small 'Mech forces including elements of 1st Albion Hussars strike at Combine worlds to recover POWs captured by the DCMS during the FCCW.

September
1st Albion Hussars set off for Minette, the last of the Albion Hussar commands to depart for the Outback.
High Council members from a hundred worlds assemble on Minette and declare themselves the provisional government of the Outback. Ivan Gutierrez, a distant descendant of the old Princes of the Outer March, is named as Field Marshal of the Outback March.

November
Word of Blake conquers Kittery 'in the name of the Capellan Confederation'.
Unsanctioned AFFS attacks on Matsuida and Galedon V

December
Unsanctioned AFFS invasion of Benjamin

3069
January
In hope of competing with Achernar for Outback purchases of heavy battlemechs, Corean Enterprises engineers unveil an updated model of an Age of War design, the Hector, and are quickly assigned a contract by Marshal Gutierrez.
George Hasek's forces in the Capellan Confederation begin to retreat

February
Capellan troops pursue retreating AFFS forces into the Capellan March
Blakist strikes on Benjamin force the AFFS invaders to withdraw and heavily damage the remaining DCMS defenders
Challenge Systems yard at Panpour lays down the hull of the first Remus-class carrier. Lacking a source of naval-grade weaponry the carrier's armament rests entirely upon massed batteries of fighter and dropship-grade weapons

March
George  officially calls off the Capellan offensive in order to deal with Capellan counterattacks now pressing deeply into the Capellan March and their Taurian allies having seized the Pleiades Cluster

April
Word of Blake attacks and destroys the Galax shipyards, employing biochemical weapons against the planetary ecosystem

June
Word of Blake attacks and destroys the Kathil shipyards, employing nuclear and biochemical weapons against the planet
Lucy Davion orders reinforcement of the defenses around Panpour's shipyard

July
Marshal Guiterrez leads 4th Albion Hussars and elements of Broken Wheel and Filtvet March Militia in an attack on the Tortuga Dominions to suppress the pirate bands based there.

August
Word of Blake forces begin an offensive against Federated Suns worlds near Terra.
Long presumed dead, Paula Trevaline assaults Filtvet and is barely beaten off by their depleted March Militia. Marshal Gutierrez is blamed for weakening defenses to strike at Tortuga, presumed to be Trevaline's base.

September
Blakist Pocket Warships attack Panpour, causing damage to civilian portions of the shipyards, but are destroyed by nuclear weapons before they can threaten the incomplete Remus.
The first of two Capellan task forces lands on New Syrtis

October
A second Capellan force reaches New Syrtis

December
Marshal Gutierrez's forces ambush Trevaline on her return to Tortuga and kill the notorious pirate, liberating many prisoners and recovering enormous quantities of loot.

3070
January
The 8th Albion Hussars are re-activated using equipment salvaged on Tortuga.
Sun-Tzu Liao calls for a ceasefire with George Hasek

February
CCAF forces make fighting retreats from New Syrtis and Taygeta
Unsuccessful Taurian attack on Midale

March
George Hasek assassinated, presumably by the Word of Blake