Takiro Fanmap 01 - CSU 2785 (1st Revision) « on: September 29, 2009, 01:50:27 PM »
Hey gang, I've decided to set out on this revision first thanks to HBMPS but we have had other issues with this product. Can't remember them all now (there is one on the CC-FS border to do with a factory world I believe) so I'm creating this thread to keep track of everything. Please chime in! Wink
lrose Re: Fanmap 01 - CSU 2785 (1st Revision) « Reply #1 on: September 29, 2009, 03:18:30 PM »
Spencer should be part of the TC. Rockewellawan and Detroit should be part of the MOC.
In the MOC Thurrock & Aspropirgos should be in the MOC not the FWL. (correct on the current version of the map- don't change it to match Hb:MPS)
Axton (and probably tecumseh and Anaea) need to be in the FS.
Takiro Re: Fanmap 01 - CSU 2785 (1st Revision) « Reply #2 on: September 29, 2009, 07:22:26 PM »
Alright lets begin with the Taurian Concordat and all its map issues.
1. Add internal division including Union capitals from canon map presented in HBMPS
2. Spencer instead of Rockwellewan? (ISSUE: Why is this different? Is this a retcon cause I remember talk of the border in the old Periphery SB. Just want to make sure we have our ducks in a row. Why would this be retconned? The border is much more compact this new way I think but that is not good enough for me.)
3. Eliminate Lothiar word error on Fanmap (just a small oversight on my part leaving a word where it shouldn't be apparently), correct Portlan to Portland (another small error), correct Landsmark to Landmark
4. Add five (5) canon worlds (Luderitz and Hawktor in the corner of the Dumassas Union / Guldra and Heliat in the Brinton Union between Gangtok and Commorodir-Portland / Amber in the Perdition Union)
5. Eliminate four (4) BTSD worlds (Odsford and Billerica in the Brinton Union ?? / Gurnee and Valari in the Perdition Union)
The reason for the double question mark is I'm not sure on this issue. It doesn't subtract and add evenly with what we had originally and if we keep Spencer it might look better anyway. Figured that out, for BTSD I counted the Badlands Cluster as an inhabited world. It should not have been. The world count of 75 given in Combat Operations is perfect on the canon map and close on our original attempt.
Thoughts!
lrose Re: Fanmap 01 - CSU 2785 (1st Revision) « Reply #3 on: September 29, 2009, 10:32:14 PM »
Quote from: Takiro on September 29, 2009, 07:22:26 PM
2. Spencer instead of Rockwellewan? (ISSUE: Why is this different? Is this a retcon cause I remember talk of the border in the old Periphery SB. Just want to make sure we have our ducks in a row. Why would this be retconned? The border is much more compact this new way I think but that is not good enough for me.)
Periphery 1e p. 61-62- the SLDF awarded Spencer & Portan (portland) to the Concordat and Rockwellewan and Detroit to the MOC. The MOC also invaded both Spencer & Portland and were defeated by the TDF. This is definitely a retcon- I can't answer definitively why-my guess is that when the map came out in Periphery 2e (the first time that the 4 worlds were shown) no one bothered to think about which world had originally belong to who- had Rockwellewan and Spencer been changed the borders would have made more sense and we wouldn't have this retcon. either that or when they did the maps in HBMPS they didn't fact check periphery 1e and who owned which world.
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5. Eliminate four (4) BTSD worlds (Odsford and Billerica in the Brinton Union ?? / Gurnee and Valari in the Perdition Union)
The reason for the double question mark is I'm not sure on this issue. It doesn't subtract and add evenly with what we had originally and if we keep Spencer it might look better anyway. Figured that out, for BTSD I counted the Badlands Cluster as an inhabited world. It should not have been. The world count of 75 given in Combat Operations is perfect on the canon map and close on our original attempt.
This leads me to the question of how much do the numbers in Combat Ops make sense- the RWR went from 74 to 248 worlds, the OWA went from 47 to 137 worlds but the MOC only went from 40 worlds to 65 and the TC from 53 to 75. I have no problem with extra worlds- we can even claim they were secretly colonized and used as training bases for the Periphery mech divisions.
lrose Re: Fanmap 01 - CSU 2785 (1st Revision) « Reply #4 on: September 29, 2009, 10:34:48 PM »
As a added note when looking at the number of worlds- on the 2750 Detroit is shown as an independent world, as is Spencer- so that is apparently a retcon to the MOC.
Takiro Re: Fanmap 01 - CSU 2785 (1st Revision) « Reply #5 on: September 29, 2009, 10:41:15 PM »
Quote from: lrose on September 29, 2009, 10:32:14 PM
This leads me to the question of how much do the numbers in Combat Ops make sense- the RWR went from 74 to 248 worlds, the OWA went from 47 to 137 worlds but the MOC only went from 40 worlds to 65 and the TC from 53 to 75. I have no problem with extra worlds- we can even claim they were secretly colonized and used as training bases for the Periphery mech divisions.
Actually these numbers do make sense to me. The Taurians and the Canopians are the least likely to receive help or outright settlers from the InnerSphere were the RWR is Terra "buddy" and the OWA is non violent at best when it comes to opposition. The Taurians and the Canopians don't want Spheroid settlers or aide in colonizing likely. Their hostile attitudes prevented growth like the kind the RWR and the OWA had during the SL era.
Yeah the whole border situation is a retcon mess. Angry
lrose Re: Fanmap 01 - CSU 2785 (1st Revision) « Reply #6 on: September 29, 2009, 11:01:08 PM »
Quote from: Takiro on September 29, 2009, 10:41:15 PM
Actually these numbers do make sense to me. The Taurians and the Canopians are the least likely to receive help or outright settlers from the InnerSphere were the RWR is Terra "buddy" and the OWA is non violent at best when it comes to opposition. The Taurians and the Canopians don't want Spheroid settlers or aide in colonizing likely. Their hostile attitudes prevented growth like the kind the RWR and the OWA had during the SL era.
Yet the TC had a long history of colonization and during the 24th century absorbed many refugees from the IS (periphery 1e p. 17). And the MOC received huge aid from the FWL rebuilding it's shattered nation after the reunification war- I don't see why they would take that help but turn down help establishing new colonies.
lrose Re: Fanmap 01 - CSU 2785 (1st Revision) « Reply #7 on: September 29, 2009, 11:12:08 PM »
Found a problem with the RWR
Per Periphery 2e p. 70 Waypoint and Otisburg (part of the Rim Collection) were part of the RWR but they don't appear on the map.
Takiro Re: Fanmap 01 - CSU 2785 (1st Revision) « Reply #8 on: September 30, 2009, 06:23:49 AM »
Might have been named differently?
For the TC think I'm gonna keep what we had (which gives TC Spencer instead of Rockwellewan), leave those 4 BTSD worlds (Odsford, Billerica, Gurnee, Valari), add those 5 canon worlds (Luderitz, Hawktor, Guldra, Heliat, Amber), and correct those three errors I found. That would give our Taurian Concordat 79 inhabited worlds as of 2785. Sound good?
lrose Re: Fanmap 01 - CSU 2785 (1st Revision) « Reply #9 on: September 30, 2009, 07:32:32 AM »
Quote from: Takiro on September 30, 2009, 06:23:49 AM
Might have been named differently?
I tried comparing the P2e maps to the HB:MPS and at least to me it looks like the worlds are missing from the map, not renamed.
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For the TC think I'm gonna keep what we had (which gives TC Spencer instead of Rockwellewan), leave those 4 BTSD worlds (Odsford, Billerica, Gurnee, Valari), add those 5 canon worlds (Luderitz, Hawktor, Guldra, Heliat, Amber), and correct those three errors I found. That would give our Taurian Concordat 79 inhabited worlds as of 2785. Sound good?
Sounds fine to me.
lrose Re: Fanmap 01 - CSU 2785 (1st Revision) « Reply #10 on: September 30, 2009, 12:50:39 PM »
We could also add 2 more worlds in the Hyades Cluster- periphery 1e mentioned there were 10 habitable worlds in the cluster. If you want to add them they are New Columbia and Aurora.
Takiro Re: Fanmap 01 - CSU 2785 (1st Revision) « Reply #11 on: September 30, 2009, 04:17:22 PM »
A little cramped don't you think. Sure I could add them. Only thing is how can you explain them? Is the world count simply in error. The four BTSD worlds (Odsford, Billerica, Gurnee, Valari) I was thinking were settled after 2750 for a host of different reasons having to do with events stretching from 2751 to 2785. But these two Hyades worlds are settled when? What is there history? Why were they overlooked? That is 81 inhabited worlds for the Taurian Concordat in 2785.
lrose Re: Fanmap 01 - CSU 2785 (1st Revision) « Reply #12 on: October 01, 2009, 02:15:57 PM »
Quote from: Takiro on September 30, 2009, 04:17:22 PM
A little cramped don't you think. Sure I could add them. Only thing is how can you explain them? Is the world count simply in error. The four BTSD worlds (Odsford, Billerica, Gurnee, Valari) I was thinking were settled after 2750 for a host of different reasons having to do with events stretching from 2751 to 2785. But these two Hyades worlds are settled when? What is there history? Why were they overlooked? That is 81 inhabited worlds for the Taurian Concordat in 2785.
Well this goes back to Periphery 1e, is in 2e and is in the new handbook.
From HBMPS pg 14
Shrouded by the asteroid belts were eight star systems with more than forty planets, of which ten were deemed easily habitable.
There is no reason to think why the TC wouldn't have settled the 10 worlds. One way around this is that we could say the 8 names on the map represent the systems and that several of the systems have multiple inhabited worlds. There is a precedent for this- the maps always show Terra- even though Mars & Venus are also inhabited. The same goes for Talon- many of the maps just list Wernke. Then we can say that the count in Combat Ops represents inhabited systems, not worlds (so that a system with 2 inhabited worlds only gets counted once)
Takiro Re: Fanmap 01 - CSU 2785 (1st Revision) « Reply #13 on: October 02, 2009, 08:36:40 AM »
Hmm, the only thing I could think is that those two worlds were destroyed in the Reunification War by some type of radioactive, toxic, or biologic weapon. Huh Could they be more military outposts then human settlements?? But it is your Taurians so make the call Irose.
In addition to the Taurian additions and corrections there are two more Davion worlds (could they have been destroyed prior to 2785?) and 22 Liao worlds.
lrose Re: Fanmap 01 - CSU 2785 (1st Revision) « Reply #14 on: October 02, 2009, 08:59:09 AM »
Quote from: Takiro on October 02, 2009, 08:36:40 AM
Hmm, the only thing I could think is that those two worlds were destroyed in the Reunification War by some type of radioactive, toxic, or biologic weapon. Huh
I doubt it- the worlds of the Hyades Cluster were not attacked by the SLDF- the TC surrendered as soon as the SLDF got through the Cluster.
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Could they be more military outposts then human settlements?? But it is your Taurians so make the call Irose.
possibly. For now I will leave it vague- we will list the 8 systems and we can always say some systems had multiple planets.
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