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Re: Rank the Clans: Best Scientist Caste (3052)
« Reply #30 on: September 01, 2018, 10:28:23 AM »

Yea page 290 of it looks best resource
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Re: Rank the Clans: Best Scientist Caste (3052)
« Reply #31 on: September 01, 2018, 10:43:16 AM »

Yea page 290 of it looks best resource

Yes indeed, that table has a bunch of info including the ER Small was Jade Falcon again in 2825 while Star Adder is also given credit for the Streak SRM 4 and 6 in 2826. And the A-Pod is apparently Ghost Bear according to that table in 2850. They even have a bunch of conventional infantry weapons invented by certain Clans.

Apparently though someone overlooked Cloud Cobra boasts about being the masters of lasers in FM Warden Clan cause they didn't event squat according to this info from the tables.
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Re: Rank the Clans: Best Scientist Caste (3052)
« Reply #32 on: September 02, 2018, 02:58:03 AM »

Apparently though someone overlooked Cloud Cobra boasts about being the masters of lasers in FM Warden Clan cause they didn't event squat according to this info from the tables.

Perhaps they manufacture the best ones or they refined the original designs?
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in trial against the Ice Hellion's mettle.
Each chased the Ice Hellion, hunting it down.
All failed to match the predator's speed and grace.
Khan Cage smiled and said, "And that is how we shall be."

The Remembrance (Clan Ice Hellion) Passage 5, Verse 3, Lines 1 - 5

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Re: Rank the Clans: Best Scientist Caste (3052)
« Reply #33 on: September 03, 2018, 10:19:08 PM »

Or it could have been forgotten about completely and is now an error.

I will try and compile a current list of what we know as soon as I can.
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Re: Rank the Clans: Best Scientist Caste (3052)
« Reply #34 on: September 11, 2018, 04:48:51 PM »

Here is the list of what I've found for Clan tech innovations.

Clan Technological Discoveries
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   Item         Introduced      Discoverer
LB 2-X AC         2826         Clan Goliath Scorpion
LB 5-X AC         2825         Clan Coyote
LB-10 X AC         2824         Clan Wolf
LB 20-X AC         2826         Clan Hell’s Horses
Ultra AC/2         2827         Clan Goliath Scorpion
Ultra AC/5         2825         Clan Mongoose
Ultra AC/10         2825         Clan Sea Fox (aka Diamond Shark)
Ultra AC/20         2825         Clan Steel Viper
Gauss Rifle         2828         Clan Burrock
Machine Gun         2825         Clan Sea Fox (aka Diamond Shark)
Flamer            2827         Clan Fire Mandrill
ER Large Laser      2823          Clan Nova Cat
ER Medium Laser      2824         Clan Jade Falcon
ER Small Laser      2825         Clan Jade Falcon
ER PPC         2826         Clan Snow Raven
Small Pulse Laser      2829         Clan Ghost Bear
Medium Pulse Laser      2827         Clan Jade Falcon
Large Pulse Laser      2824         Clan Coyote
LRM-5         2824         Clan Coyote
LRM-10         2824         Clan Coyote
LRM-15         2824         Clan Coyote
LRM-20         2824         Clan Coyote
SRM-2            2824         Clan Cloud Cobra
SRM-4            2824         Clan Cloud Cobra
SRM-6            2824         Clan Cloud Cobra
Streak SRM-2         2822          Clan Star Adder
Streak SRM-4         2826          Clan Star Adder
Streak SRM-6         2826          Clan Star Adder
Anti-Missile System      2831         Clan Blood Spirit
ECM Suite         2832         Clan Smoke Jaguar
Active Probe         2832         Clan Goliath Scorpion
CASE            2825         Clan Coyote
TAG            2830         Clan Hell’s Horses
MASC            2827         Clan Ice Hellion
Narc Missile Beacon      2828         Clan Hell’s Horses
EndoSteel         ?         Clan Ice Hellion
Ferro-Fibrous         ?         Clan Ice Hellion
Anti-Personnel Pod      2850         Clan Ghost Bear
Targeting Computer      2860         Clan Mongoose
Star League Technologies unaltered by the Clans
Artemis IV FCS

Unknown Tech Innovations
Arrow IV Missile Artillery System
Double Heat Sinks
Extra-Light (XL) Engine
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Re: Rank the Clans: Best Scientist Caste (3052)
« Reply #35 on: September 12, 2018, 06:40:12 AM »

Well I wish I had known about the Universal Technology Advancement Table (page 35-63) in Interstellar Operations first. Would have made my job a lot less research oriented although it still was interesting as we have some conflicts [] noted above. Please enjoy the results now in chronological order!

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Clan Technological Discoveries
   Item         Introduced      Discoverer
Streak SRM-2         2822          Clan Star Adder
ER Large Laser      2823          Clan Nova Cat
LB-10 X AC         2824         Clan Wolf
ER Medium Laser      2824         Clan Jade Falcon
Large Pulse Laser      2824         Clan Coyote
LRM-5         2824         Clan Coyote
LRM-10         2824         Clan Coyote
LRM-15         2824         Clan Coyote
LRM-20         2824         Clan Coyote
SRM-2            2824         Clan Cloud Cobra
SRM-4            2824         Clan Cloud Cobra
SRM-6            2824         Clan Cloud Cobra
CASE            2825         Clan Coyote
Ferro-Fibrous         2825         Clan Snow Raven [Ice Hellion]
ER Small Laser      2825         Clan Jade Falcon
Ultra AC/5         2825         Clan Mongoose
Ultra AC/10         2825         Clan Sea Fox (aka Diamond Shark)
Ultra AC/20         2825         Clan Steel Viper
Machine Gun         2825         Clan Sea Fox (aka Diamond Shark)
LB 5-X AC         2825         Clan Coyote
LB 2-X AC         2826         Clan Goliath Scorpion
ER PPC         2826         Clan Snow Raven
Streak SRM-4         2826          Clan Star Adder
Streak SRM-6         2826          Clan Star Adder
LB 20-X AC         2826         Clan Hell’s Horses
Ultra AC/2         2827         Clan Goliath Scorpion
MASC            2827         Clan Ice Hellion
EndoSteel         2827         Clan Ice Hellion
Double Heat Sinks       2827         Clan Coyote
Extra-Light (XL) Engine   2827         Clan Snow Raven
Flamer            2827         Clan Fire Mandrill
Medium Pulse Laser      2827         Clan Jade Falcon
Narc Missile Beacon      2828         Clan Ice Hellion [Hell’s Horses]
Gauss Rifle         2828         Clan Burrock
Small Pulse Laser      2829         Clan Ghost Bear
TAG            2830         Clan Hell’s Horses
Anti-Missile System      2831         Clan Star Adder [Blood Spirit]
ECM Suite         2832         Clan Smoke Jaguar
Active Probe         2832         Clan Goliath Scorpion
Arrow IV Artillery      2844         Clan Hell’s Horses
Anti-Personnel Pod      2850         Clan Ghost Bear
Targeting Computer      2860         Clan Mongoose
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Re: Rank the Clans: Best Scientist Caste (3052)
« Reply #36 on: September 12, 2018, 09:13:38 AM »

Wolf's lack of discoveries is of note. LB10X for Orion and then like well we're done.

Really all the large clans of 3050 are of little note. Makes you realize they were warriors first and foremost and then took it from the weaker clans in Trials or Trade.

Coyote dominant which makes sense from what we know of their acquisitions in Klondike.

Raven's surprised me not many but valuable additions.

Someones got a sense of humor with Fire Mandrills and the flamer lol

Ice Hellions surprisingly are the smartest IMO they really addressed areas that they held dear. Endo Steel to make the most of the tons for lighter mechs. MASC to make them go faster and NARC for combined fire on a single foe.







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Re: Rank the Clans: Best Scientist Caste (3052)
« Reply #37 on: September 12, 2018, 09:31:16 PM »

I am sort of surprised that by 2860 all the Clan tech we know and love at invasion time is available. Actually if you discount the last three (Targeting Computer, A-Pod, Arrow IV) that date is more like 2832. So essentially within ten years of the conclusion of Operation Klondike (the liberation of the Pentagon Worlds) most everything is available to the Clans. Golden Century is more like the Diamond Decade. The InnerSphere of the 3rd Succession War is so lucky the Clans didn't invade in 3000 cause it would have been impossible to stop them with 3025 (Level 1) tech.

The amount of canon contradictions also surprises me. I can sort of understand someone forgetting about the Cloud Cobras being the masters of laser technology (FM Warden Clans) then having not a one discovery in that field or the Ice Hellions innovating Ferro Fibrous and Endosteel (from FM Crusader Clans). They are older sources and maybe are a little too boastful about the acheivements of their own Clan.

However, both the Anti-Missile System (changed from Blood Spirit to Star Adder) and the Narc Missile Beacon (changed from Hell's Horses to Ice Hellion) between Golden Century PDF to Strategic Operations. Not a big gap and readily available.
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