Print Page - Filling the Gaps (Clan OmniMechs)

Alright Blacknova and Master Arminas have gotten me going on the Clans for Clarion Call which is different from their stuff but the similarities get my attention. One of the things I was going to have the Clans do as a unified group at the direction of Ulric was a Program (name needed) to fill out their OmniMech chassis. Justification will come from the failure of Operation Revival in part do to poor logistics. This program will give the Clans the widest possible selection of war machines with which to complete the task. Hopefully it will optimize Clan battle capabilities and maximize their technological edge over the InnerSphere. The time period of course is 3052 just after the Truce of Tukayyid as in the story.

The three types of OmniMech for each chassis (20 through 100 tons) will larger be determined by engine as you will see.

Type 1. Zombie. Arguable the most familiar to everyone these machines will feature a standard fusion engine while maintaining reasonable speed. Advantages include a lower price tag and higher endurance. These Mechs take a licking and keep on ticking. An example would be a 100 ton Omni with a 300 engine with a decent amount pod space. The Blood Kite at 90 tons would be a good canon example.

Type 2. Speedster. The fastest OmniMech chassis are expensive but their maximum speed profile gives them a big advantage which many warriors prefer. While more vulnerable than their slower brethren these Mechs still carry reasonable amounts of pod space with better heat dissipation rates thanks to their massive engines which can carry more integral heat sinks. The terrifying Executioner (Gladiator) is an excellent canon example.

Type 3. Assailant. When offense is favored above all these apex predators with their massive amounts of pod space are the clear choice. Their extra light engines maintain reasonable speed while their huge arsenal decimates opponents. While they maybe vulnerable few foolish enough to challenge them will survive their assaults. The Dire Wolf (Daishi) with over half its mass devoted to pod space is a good example of this type.

So Iâ€™d like to get your input before I start putting together design challenges for the 21 spots that need filling. Thoughts?

Your other option is just to bring forward the development of the Omni's that came out in later TRO's. It's what I am doing, smacks of laziness, but get the job done with art.

An entry into the Speedie category - taking inspiration from Clan Wolf (in-Exile)'s Pack Hunter - I wish I'd fixed the flamer

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Speedie 

Mass: 30 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped Omnimech
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E
Production Year: 3070
Cost: 5,994,625 C-Bills
Battle Value: 519

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 210 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 75.6 km/h
Maximum Speed: 118.8 km/h (151.2 km/h)
Jump Jets: Unknown
    Jump Capacity: 210 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
    8.5 tons of pod space.
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

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Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
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Internal Structure: Endo-Steel                    51 points                1.50
    Internal Locations: 7 LA
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             210                       4.50
    Walking MP: 7
    Running MP: 11 (14)
    Jumping MP: 7 Standard
    Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 3 LT, 3 RT                                   3.50
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             10(20)                    0.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 1 LL, 1 RL
Gyro:               Standard                                               3.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA    R: SH+UA
Armor:              Ferro-Fibrous                AV -  96                  5.00
    Armor Locations: 7 RA

                                                      Internal       Armor      
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     10           15        
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  2         
                                           L/R Torso     7            12        
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  2         
                                             L/R Arm     5            9         
                                             L/R Leg     7            12        

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Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass  
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MASC                                         CT        -         1         1.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 21

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      3    Points: 5
9/7j       0       0       0       0      1     0   Structure:  2
Special Abilities: OMNI, ENE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA


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Loadout Name:                                                Cost: 6,526,488
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E                         BV2: 1,656

Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Jumping MP: 7  (Standard)
    Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 3 LT, 3 RT                                   0.00
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             12(24)                    2.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 2 RT, 1 LL, 1 RL
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA+H

Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
MASC                                         CT        -         1         1.00
ER PPC                                       RT        15        2         6.00
Flamer                                       RA        3         1         0.50
                                            Free Critical Slots: 10

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      3    Points: 17
9/7j       2       2       2       0      1     0   Structure:  2
Special Abilities: OMNI, ENE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA


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Loadout Name: Prime                                          Cost: 6,526,488
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E                         BV2: 1,656

Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Jumping MP: 7  (Standard)
    Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 3 LT, 3 RT                                   0.00
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             12(24)                    2.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 2 RT, 1 LL, 1 RL
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA+H

Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
MASC                                         CT        -         1         1.00
ER PPC                                       RT        15        2         6.00
Flamer                                       LA        3         1         0.50
                                            Free Critical Slots: 10

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      3    Points: 17
9/7j       2       2       2       0      1     0   Structure:  2
Special Abilities: OMNI, ENE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA


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Loadout Name: A                                              Cost: 6,669,488
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E                         BV2: 1,876

Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Jumping MP: 7  (Standard)
    Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 3 LT, 3 RT                                   0.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA+H

Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
MASC                                         CT        -         1         1.00
ER Large Laser                               RT        12        1         4.00
ER Large Laser                               LT        12        1         4.00
Flamer                                       LA        3         1         0.50
                                            Free Critical Slots: 14

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      3    Points: 19
9/7j       2       2       2       0      1     0   Structure:  2
Special Abilities: OMNI, ENE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA


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Loadout Name: B                                              Cost: 6,409,488
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E                         BV2: 848

Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Jumping MP: 7  (Standard)
    Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 3 LT, 3 RT                                   0.00
    CASE Locations: LT, RT                                                 0.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA+H

Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
MASC                                         CT        -         1         1.00
Ultra AC/2                                   RT        1         2         5.00
2 AP Gauss Rifles                            RT        2         2         1.00
Flamer                                       LA        3         1         0.50
@Ultra AC/2 (45)                             LT        -         1         1.00
@AP Gauss Rifle (40)                         LT        -         1         1.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 10

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      3    Points: 8
9/7j       2       1       1       0      1     0   Structure:  2
Special Abilities: OMNI, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA


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Loadout Name: C                                              Cost: 6,596,363
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E                         BV2: 1,275

Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Jumping MP: 7  (Standard)
    Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 3 LT, 3 RT                                   0.00
    CASE Locations: LT, RT                                                 0.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA+H

Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
MASC                                         CT        -         1         1.00
LRM-15                                       RT        5         2         3.50
SRM-6                                        LT        4         1         1.50
Flamer                                       LA        3         1         0.50
@LRM-15 (16)                                 RT        -         2         2.00
@SRM-6 (15)                                  LT        -         1         1.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 10

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      3    Points: 13
9/7j       2       2       1       0      1     0   Structure:  2
Special Abilities: OMNI, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, IF 1


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Loadout Name: D                                              Cost: 6,620,738
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E                         BV2: 1,644

Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Jumping MP: 7  (Standard)
    Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 3 LT, 3 RT                                   0.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA+H

Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
MASC                                         CT        -         1         1.00
Heavy Large Laser                            RT        18        3         4.00
2 Medium Pulse Lasers                        RT        8         2         4.00
Flamer                                       LA        3         1         0.50
                                            Free Critical Slots: 11

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      3    Points: 16
9/7j       3       2       0       0      1     1   Structure:  2
Special Abilities: OMNI, ENE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA


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Loadout Name: E                                              Cost: 6,466,363
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E                         BV2: 1,229

Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Jumping MP: 7  (Standard)
    Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 3 LT, 3 RT                                   0.00
    CASE Locations: RT                                                     0.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA+H

Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
MASC                                         CT        -         1         1.00
ATM-9                                        RT        6         4         5.00
Flamer                                       LA        3         1         0.50
@ATM-9 (ER) (7)                              RT        -         1         1.00
@ATM-9 (HE) (14)                             RT        -         2         2.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 9

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      3    Points: 12
9/7j       3       2       1       0      1     0   Structure:  2
Special Abilities: OMNI, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA

Way ahead of you Blacknova as this is 3052 and certain Mechs like the Nova Cat, Blood Asp, Crimson Langur, and Savage Coyote are yet to be fielded. However since they fill a specific unfilled niche their development will be sped up as part of the program.

Also it should be noted that there are certain design conflicts which have to be sorted out. Designs that fill the same niche under this program. Like the 65 ton bracket which is completely full especially when it comes to the Assailants (Priority Pod Space). The venerable Hellbringer (Loki) will be going up against the new Ebon Jaguar (Cauldron-Born). Both are 65 tons with 325XL (5/8) while the Loki has 28.5 tons to the Jaguar's 30 tons. Series of combat trails will determine the continued production but I'm not sure who that will be yet. Love to get your input!

Same thing for 50 ton Assailant between the Huntsman (Nobori-Nin) 50 tons, 250XL (5/8/5), 23.5 tons pod space and the Nova (Black Hawk) 50 tons, 250XL (5/8/5), 16 tons pod space.

At 45 tons you have 3 existing competitors for 2 spots. Ice Ferret (Fenris), 360XL (8/12), 9.5 tons pod space or Mongrel (Grendel), 315 XL (7/11/7), 13.5 tons pod space or Shadow Cat, 270XL (6/9/6), 17 tons pod space. One is your Speedster and another is your Assailant. While the other is replaced by a Zombie design not yet present.

40 tons is a log jam with 5 designs for 3 spots. The Battle Cobra is your clear Zombie at 40 tons with a 240 engine (6/9) and 14 tons pod space. This leaves the Coyotl [40 tons, 280XL (7/11), 15.5 tons] to face off against the Pouncer [40 tons, 240XL (6/9/5), 15.5 tons pod space] for the Assailant but I suppose the Pouncer since it is in production would win unless the the Coyotl was bought back. For 40 ton speedster the Phantom [40 tons, 360XL (9/14), 6.5 tons] squares off against the Viper (Dragonfly) [40 tons, 320XL, (8/12/8), 8.5 tons].

Please let me know who your winners are!

Save the entries for now Dragon Cat. We will go one at a time ;)

Hmmmmmm.

For myself, I believe that speed (combined with the range of Clan weapons) kills. Reasonable speed, that is. Throughout history, real-life tank designers have been torn between three competing objectives: a) speed, b) protection, and c) firepower.

With Clan OmniMechs is quite possible (for the first time in BattleTech) to obtain all three in a fast enough, protected enough design with enough firepower to deal with most threats.

Which means when I design a Clan OmniMech, I am looking for the fastest speed which allows for maximum (or near-maximum) armor protection and a good payload of weaponry and equipment. At least for front-line 'Mechs with Clan XL engines. Standard engines are so very much less expensive that you can generally afford two or three standard engine designs for an XL design of the same weight. Of course, the standard engine designs are slower, but can generally carry just as much armor and weapons as the faster XL designs.

That gives me two options . . . the highly expensive front-line OmniMech designed for the Clan's best Warriors and cheaper (but still hard-hitting!) slower second-line designs for the rest.

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Obsidian Mantis (Second-line)

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Obsidian Mantis (Garrison) 

Mass: 60 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped Omnimech
Rules Level: Advanced Rules
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E
Production Year: 3060
Cost: 6,020,000 C-Bills
Battle Value: 968

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 300 Fusion Engine
Walking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86.4 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
    21.5 tons of pod space.
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown
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Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
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Internal Structure: Endo-Steel                    99 points                3.00
    Internal Locations: 2 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
Engine:             Fusion Engine                300                      19.00
    Walking MP: 5
    Running MP: 8
    Jumping MP: 0 
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             10(20)                    0.00
Gyro:               Standard                                               3.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA    R: SH+UA
Armor:              Ferro-Fibrous                AV - 201                 10.50
    Armor Locations: 1 LT, 2 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL

                                                      Internal       Armor      
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     20           30        
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  10        
                                           L/R Torso     14           20        
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  8         
                                             L/R Arm     10           20        
                                             L/R Leg     14           28        



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Loadout Name: Prime                                          Cost: 8,041,200
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E                         BV2: 2,316

Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    CASE Locations: CT, RT, LA                                             0.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA+H

Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ER Large Laser                               RA        12        1         4.00
Streak SRM-4                                 LA        3         1         2.00
LRM-15                                       RT        5         2         3.50
    Artemis IV FCS                           RT        -         1         1.00
Targeting Computer                           RT        -         2         2.00
3 ER Medium Lasers                           LT        15        3         3.00
2 AP Gauss Rifles                            CT        2         2         1.00
@Streak SRM-4 (25)                           LA        -         1         1.00
@LRM-15 (Artemis) (24)                       RT        -         3         3.00
@AP Gauss Rifle (40)                         HD        -         1         1.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 16

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      7    Points: 23
5          4       4       2       0      3     3   Structure:  5
Special Abilities: OMNI, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, IF 1

versus

Desert Tiger (front-line)

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Desert Tiger (60-ton) 

Mass: 60 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped Omnimech
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E
Production Year: 3048
Cost: 15,740,000 C-Bills
Battle Value: 927

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 360 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 64.8 km/h
Maximum Speed: 97.2 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
    23.0 tons of pod space.
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel                    99 points                3.00
    Internal Locations: 1 CT, 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             360                      16.50
    Walking MP: 6
    Running MP: 9
    Jumping MP: 0 
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             10(20)                    0.00
Gyro:               Standard                                               4.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA    R: SH+UA
Armor:              Ferro-Fibrous                AV - 201                 10.50
    Armor Locations: 1 CT, 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL

                                                      Internal       Armor      
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     20           30        
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  10        
                                           L/R Torso     14           20        
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  8         
                                             L/R Arm     10           20        
                                             L/R Leg     14           28        



================================================================================
Loadout Name: Prime                                          Cost: 17,961,200
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E                         BV2: 2,476

Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    CASE Locations: LT, RT, LA                                             0.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA+H

Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ER Large Laser                               RA        12        1         4.00
Streak SRM-4                                 LA        3         1         2.00
LRM-15                                       RT        5         2         3.50
    Artemis IV FCS                           RT        -         1         1.00
Targeting Computer                           RT        -         2         2.00
3 ER Medium Lasers                           LT        15        3         3.00
2 AP Gauss Rifles                            LT        2         2         1.00
Anti-Missile System                          LT        1         1         0.50
@Streak SRM-4 (25)                           LA        -         1         1.00
@LRM-15 (Artemis) (24)                       RT        -         3         3.00
@AP Gauss Rifle (40)                         LT        -         1         1.00
@Anti-Missile System (24)                    LT        -         1         1.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 10

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      7    Points: 25
6          4       4       2       0      3     3   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: OMNI, AMS, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, IF 1

Both are 60-ton designs, although the Desert Tiger is faster (6/9/0 vs. 5/8/0) and has slightly more pod-space (23 tons vs. 21.5 tons). Both have the same amount of internal structure and armor (10.5 tons ferro-fibrous), although the Obsidian Mantis is slightly more survivable because it lacks that XL engine.

The largest difference is in the price. 8,041,200 C-Bills vs. 17,961,200 C-Bills. You can afford 2.23 Obsidian Mantis Primes for the price of a single Desert Tiger Prime. 223 OMPs for the same cost as 100 DTPs.

And the ONLY difference in payload between the two (and heat sinks, for that matter) is that the Obsidian Mantis lacks an AMS and its ammunition. Otherwise, both carry identical firepower with the same heat dissipation capacity.

I've just posted the Primes of each, but the pattern is clear. Do you pull out all the stops and spend twice the money on a single OmniMech, or do you make do with cheaper, slower OmniMechs that can you buy more of? Or some mix of the two?

Those are the questions we should be asking.

MA

So Claymore a 70 tonner Zombie Mech.

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Claymore 

Mass: 70 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped Omnimech
Rules Level: Advanced Rules
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E-A
Production Year: 3070
Cost: 6,795,042 C-Bills
Battle Value: 946

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 280 Fusion Engine
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
    32.5 tons of pod space.
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel                   107 points                3.50
    Internal Locations: 2 LT, 3 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA
Engine:             Fusion Engine                280                      16.00
    Walking MP: 4
    Running MP: 6
    Jumping MP: 0 
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             11(22)                    1.00
Gyro:               Standard                                               3.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA    R: SH+UA
Armor:              Ferro-Fibrous                AV - 211                 11.00
    Armor Locations: 3 LT, 2 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA

                                                      Internal       Armor      
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     22           33        
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  9         
                                           L/R Torso     15           22        
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  8         
                                             L/R Arm     11           22        
                                             L/R Leg     15           28        



================================================================================
Loadout Name: Prime                                          Cost: 9,910,823
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E-A                       BV2: 2,536

Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Jumping MP: 4  (Standard)
    Jump Jet Locations: 2 LL, 2 RL                                         4.00
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             15(30)                    4.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 2 LA, 2 RA
    CASE Locations: LT, RT                                                 0.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA    R: SH+UA+LA

Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ER Small Laser                               HD        2         1         0.50
LRM-20                                       RT        6         4         5.00
    Artemis IV FCS                           RT        -         1         1.00
LRM-20                                       LT        6         4         5.00
    Artemis IV FCS                           LT        -         1         1.00
ER Large Laser                               RA        12        1         4.00
ER Large Laser                               LA        12        1         4.00
@LRM-20 (Artemis) (12)                       RT        -         2         2.00
@LRM-20 (Artemis) (12)                       LT        -         2         2.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 6

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      7    Points: 25
4j         5       5       5       0      3     1   Structure:  6
Special Abilities: OMNI, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, IF 3


================================================================================
Loadout Name: WHR-6R                                         Cost: 9,843,354
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E-A                       BV2: 2,592

Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             18(36)                    7.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 1 RT, 2 LA, 2 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
    CASE Locations: CT                                                     0.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA    R: SH+UA

Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ECM Suite                                    HD        0         1         1.00
Streak SRM-6                                 RT        4         2         3.00
ER Medium Laser                              RT        5         1         1.00
ER Small Laser                               RT        2         1         0.50
Machine Gun                                  RT        0         1         0.25
ER Medium Laser                              LT        5         1         1.00
ER Small Laser                               LT        2         1         0.50
Machine Gun                                  LT        0         1         0.25
Active Probe                                 LT        0         1         1.00
Targeting Computer                           LT        -         3         3.00
ER PPC                                       RA        15        2         6.00
ER PPC                                       LA        15        2         6.00
@MG (200)                                    CT        -         1         1.00
@Streak SRM-6 (15)                           CT        -         1         1.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 4

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      7    Points: 26
4          7       6       3       0      3     2   Structure:  6
Special Abilities: OMNI, ECM, PRB, RCN, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA


================================================================================
Loadout Name: MAD2R                                          Cost: 9,079,948
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E-A                       BV2: 2,280

Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             20(40)                    9.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 2 LT, 2 RT, 2 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
    CASE Locations: CT                                                     0.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA    R: SH+UA

Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ER Small Laser                               HD        2         1         0.50
Ultra AC/5                                   RT        1         3         7.00
ER PPC                                       RA        15        2         6.00
ER Medium Laser                              RA        5         1         1.00
ER PPC                                       LA        15        2         6.00
ER Medium Laser                              LA        5         1         1.00
@Ultra AC/5 (40)                             CT        -         2         2.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 7

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      7    Points: 23
4          6       6       4       0      3     0   Structure:  6
Special Abilities: OMNI, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA

I'll hold off on posting any actual designs until I see if there are any more criteria for the 21 possibilities mentioned.

Is there going to be a generalized category trying to balance all three factors though?

While firepower/speed/armour are the trinity of battlefield how do you want to address cost issues?

Again thanks for the design fitz but lets hold off on design submission while we talk things out.

Good questions drak. The goal of this project is to produce a choice for each Clan and each Mechwarrior which will fulfill the potential of the OmniMech. If you want survivability, quantity, ease of manufacture, and low price tag per each unit your choice will be the Zombie. Some Clans like Blood Spirit and Fire Mandrill might not have much of a choice and be forced into these machines by their poor resource situation. However, my research shows that the Steel Vipers did very well using these types of machines to fill out their touman. See the Battle Cobra and the Crossbow.

Some Clans like the Ice Hellion Clan will favor speed so much they will go with the expensive, quality, harder to manufacturer, but more vulnerable Speedster. Can they afford such a choice? The Wolf Clan under Natasha and Phelan have embraced this blitzkreig philosophy with designs like the Linebacker for example.

However there is also a third choice using your example of 60 tonners. The Mad Dog (Vulture) is the 60 ton Assailant with a 300XL (5/8) and 28 tons pod space (almost half your mass reserved for weapons) at a base cost of 13,032,000. Price falls in the mid range between your two examples shown but has that third major consideration firepower. The Smoke Jaguars, and to a lesser extent the Coyotes, are perhaps the best examples of this kill or be killed philosophy.

So to answer your questions there will be no generalized category to balance all three factors rather a warrior and his Clan will have every choice possible which is the true potential of the OmniMech. The objective is to give everyone a choice as well as a fall back position. Zombies can also be used as replacements for combat losses by Clans hurt by devastating losses. Hint hint Smoke Jaguars.

Cost issues will likely see the Zombie cost the least with the Speedster costing the most. Mid range cost will be the Assailants.

Reposted elsewhere

To be reposted, possibly, at a later date

My point, Takiro, is that there really isn't three categories: there are two. High-end high-cost faster units (with XL engines), and low-end low-cost slower units (with standard engines).

Take your Mad Dog example. Let's do a Mad Dog Clone with no fixed DHS and max armor.

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Mad Dog Clone Prime 

Mass: 60 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped Omnimech
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E
Production Year: 3070
Cost: 13,220,000 C-Bills
Battle Value: 919

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 300 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86.4 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
    31.0 tons of pod space.
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel                    99 points                3.00
    Internal Locations: 1 HD, 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             300                       9.50
    Walking MP: 5
    Running MP: 8
    Jumping MP: 0 
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             10(20)                    0.00
Gyro:               Standard                                               3.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA    R: SH+UA
Armor:              Ferro-Fibrous                AV - 201                 10.50
    Armor Locations: 1 CT, 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL

                                                      Internal       Armor      
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     20           30        
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  10        
                                           L/R Torso     14           20        
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  8         
                                             L/R Arm     10           20        
                                             L/R Leg     14           28        



================================================================================
Loadout Name: Prime                                          Cost: 13,220,000
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E                         BV2: 919

Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA    R: SH+UA

Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

31 tons of pod-space at a cost (base chassis) of 13,220,000 C-bills.

versus the Mighty Mouse . . .

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Mighty Mouse 

Mass: 60 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped Omnimech
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E
Production Year: 3070
Cost: 5,540,000 C-Bills
Battle Value: 884

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 240 Fusion Engine
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Jump Jets: None
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
    29.0 tons of pod space.
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

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Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
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Internal Structure: Endo-Steel                    99 points                3.00
    Internal Locations: 1 HD, 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
Engine:             Fusion Engine                240                      11.50
    Walking MP: 4
    Running MP: 6
    Jumping MP: 0 
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             10(20)                    0.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT
Gyro:               Standard                                               3.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA    R: SH+UA
Armor:              Ferro-Fibrous                AV - 201                 10.50
    Armor Locations: 1 CT, 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL

                                                      Internal       Armor      
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     20           30        
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  10        
                                           L/R Torso     14           20        
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  8         
                                             L/R Arm     10           20        
                                             L/R Leg     14           28        



================================================================================
Loadout Name: Prime                                          Cost: 5,540,000
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E                         BV2: 884

Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA    R: SH+UA

Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

29 tons of pod space at a cost of 5,540,000 C-Bills.

The Mad Dog Clone (Prime) is faster, has two tons more pod space, but both have the exact same armor. But you can purchase 2.38 Mighty Mouse (Primes) for the cost of a single Mad Dog Clone (Prime).

Depends on what your goals are really.

MA

Again thank for design entries but hold your horses!!!

I get what you and drak are saying but take a look at your example. The Mad Dog clone is an assailant not a speedster in my definitions. Why cause that 60 ton Mad Dog isn't as fast as it could be. Yes the cost is high for said clone but put a 360 xl on there and two things will happen. Cost will increase and pod space will decrease. That's a Speedster.

Plus to make your point you reduced the 60 ton zombie to a 4/6. It should be a 5/8. Then you'll see pod space of a speedster.

Silverback will be reposted whn the 85-ton categories come up

Operation Marshall?

And what about the jack-of-all-trades?

Quote from: Takiro on May 27, 2014, 12:32:12 PM

Again thank for design entries but hold your horses!!!

I get what you and drak are saying but take a look at your example. The Mad Dog clone is an assailant not a speedster in my definitions. Why cause that 60 ton Mad Dog isn't as fast as it could be. Yes the cost is high for said clone but put a 360 xl on there and two things will happen. Cost will increase and pod space will decrease. That's a Speedster.

Plus to make your point you reduced the 60 ton zombie to a 4/6. It should be a 5/8. Then you'll see pod space of a speedster.

Yeah, I did the same thing with the Desert Tiger/Obsidian Mantis, above. Why? Because any standard-engine 'Mech is GOING to be slower than an XL-engine 'Mech of the same tonnage and (approximate) pod-space.

Desert Tiger/Obsidian Mantis: 6/9/x vs. 5/8/x; full armor; 23 tons pod-space vs. 21.5 tons pod-space.

Mad Dog Clone/Mighty Mouse: 5/8/x vs. 4/6/x; full armor; 31 tons pod-space vs. 29 tons pod-space.

If you try to get the same speed on a standard engine, it is just too lop-sided in favor of the XL designs . . . Mad Dog Clone (XL engine, 5/8/x) vs. Obsidian Mantis (standard engine 5/8/x) are the same tonnage and same speed, with the same protection (OM has slightly greater survivability thanks to the SFE), but there is a full 9.5 tons difference in pod-space (31 tons vs. 21.5 tons).

MA

Question? for some, wouldn't later developments "Fill in the gaps?"

the Nova Cat or Septiscemia as Assailant's of thier classes for example, or a De Stealthed and DeXXL engined Wulfen as a Speedster?

We hit on that a little earlier JP. I'm trying to incorporate everything that could have been in development in 3052. The Society's Mechs are an interesting thing I'll have to consider. As the storyline is being changed significantly in Clarion Call. I'll take a look at the Wulfen.

Master Arminas how about this basic design rule for this exercise. Speedster OmniMechs will test the design limits of their chassis movement (max MP for tonnage) while Assailants and Zombies are to be -1 MP from that base. So for example 100 ton Mech would be equipped with 400XL, a 300 XL and a 300 standard engine respectively.

Quote from: Takiro on May 27, 2014, 05:17:36 PM

We hit on that a little earlier JP. I'm trying to incorporate everything that could have been in development in 3052. The Society's Mechs are an interesting thing I'll have to consider. As the storyline is being changed significantly in Clarion Call. I'll take a look at the Wulfen.

Modify the Wulfen by Removing the Stealth armor and using a conventional 300XL Engine and it would fit right into 3052.

Took a hard look at your suggestion JP but unfortunately the need doesn't exist at the 30 ton chassis. The Arctic Cheetah (Hankyu) at 30 tons with a 240XL (8/12/6), and 9.5 tons pod space fills the Speedster role for now and the Kit Fox (Uller) at 30 tons with a 180XL (6/9), and 16 tons pod space fills the Assailant. Just need a Zombie now. I'll keep the Wulfen as a future replacement for the Arctic Cheetah (Hankyu). Thanks!

Reposted as the 30-ton entrant

Deleted

40-ton Assailant with 19 tons of pod space

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Vampire 

Mass: 40 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped Omnimech
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E
Production Year: 3070
Cost: 7,297,500 C-Bills
Battle Value: 619

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 240 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 64.8 km/h
Maximum Speed: 97.2 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
    19.0 tons of pod space.
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel                    67 points                2.00
    Internal Locations: 1 CT, 2 LT, 2 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             240                       6.00
    Walking MP: 6
    Running MP: 9
    Jumping MP: 0 
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             10(20)                    0.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 1 RL
Gyro:               Standard                                               3.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA    R: SH+UA
Armor:              Ferro-Fibrous                AV - 134                  7.00
    Armor Locations: 1 CT, 2 LT, 2 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA

                                                      Internal       Armor      
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     12           15        
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  6         
                                           L/R Torso     10           14        
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  6         
                                             L/R Arm     6            12        
                                             L/R Leg     10           20        



================================================================================
Loadout Name: Prime                                          Cost: 8,403,500
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E                         BV2: 1,753

Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    CASE Locations: RA                                                     0.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA    R: SH+UA

Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Gauss Rifle                                  RA        1         6        12.00
ER Large Laser                               LA        12        1         4.00
ER Medium Laser                              LA        5         1         1.00
@Gauss Rifle (16)                            RA        -         2         2.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 20

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      4    Points: 18
6          3       4       3       0      2     0   Structure:  2
Special Abilities: OMNI, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA


================================================================================
Loadout Name: Alpha                                          Cost: 8,680,000
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E                         BV2: 2,098

Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             15(30)                    5.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA    R: SH+UA

Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ER PPC                                       RA        15        2         6.00
ER PPC                                       LA        15        2         6.00
ER Medium Laser                              RT        5         1         1.00
ER Medium Laser                              LT        5         1         1.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 15

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      4    Points: 21
6          4       4       3       0      2     0   Structure:  2
Special Abilities: OMNI, ENE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA


================================================================================
Loadout Name: Beta                                           Cost: 8,449,350
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E                         BV2: 1,785

Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    CASE Locations: LT, RT                                                 0.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA

Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Large Pulse Laser                            RA        10        2         6.00
Small Pulse Laser                            RA        2         1         1.00
2 Medium Pulse Lasers                        LA        8         2         4.00
Streak SRM-6                                 RT        4         2         3.00
Streak SRM-6                                 LT        4         2         3.00
@Streak SRM-6 (15)                           RT        -         1         1.00
@Streak SRM-6 (15)                           LT        -         1         1.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 17

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      4    Points: 18
6          5       5       1       0      2     1   Structure:  2
Special Abilities: OMNI, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA


================================================================================
Loadout Name: Gamma                                          Cost: 8,829,100
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E                         BV2: 1,600

Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    CASE Locations: RT                                                     0.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA

Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2 ER Medium Lasers                           LA        10        2         2.00
LB 20-X AC                                   RT/RA     6         1/8      12.00
Medium Pulse Laser                           LT        4         1         2.00
@LB 20-X (Cluster) (10)                      RT        -         2         2.00
@LB 20-X (Slug) (5)                          RT        -         1         1.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 14

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      4    Points: 16
6          4       4       0       0      2     0   Structure:  2
Special Abilities: OMNI, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, FLK 1/1/0


================================================================================
Loadout Name: Delta                                          Cost: 8,339,100
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E                         BV2: 1,380

Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    CASE Locations: LT, RA                                                 0.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA

Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ultra AC/10                                  RA        3         4        10.00
2 Machine Guns                               LA        0         2         0.50
Medium Pulse Laser                           LA        4         1         2.00
LRM-10                                       LT        4         1         2.50
@Ultra AC/10 (20)                            RA        -         2         2.00
@LRM-10 (12)                                 LT        -         1         1.00
@MG (200)                                    LT        -         1         1.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 17

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      4    Points: 14
6          4       3       3       0      2     0   Structure:  2
Special Abilities: OMNI, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, IF 1

Deleted, may be reposted as an entrant in the 55-ton category

Deleted, may show up again in when the 60-ton categories open up

Hold your horses!!!!! No design entries yet. Save them for when the time comes.

Some questions left to answer.

1. What is overall name of our little project going to be?? (I've noted Ice's suggestion)

2. Names for the OmniMech types that match said project. (for example if we stick with Zombie would it be the Monster Program with the Vampire = Speedster and Werewolf = Assailant)

Okay lets talk Clan preferences before we wrap this discussion up. Like to hear your thoughts and opinions on what each Clan in 3052 likes to field of these 3 Omni types (6 Zombie Clans, 5 Speedster Clans, & 6 Assailant Clans). Give me the reasons for your opinion as well. Like existing Mech designs produced, engineered, or appearing in their touman. I've filled in all 17 with my feeling on how they stack up and remember this isn't a perfect fit folks as every Clan is going to have exceptions to the rules in its touman. Discuss!!

Blood Spirit - Zombie (starved for resources this Clan with its Blood Kite falls solidly here)
Burrock - Zombie (resources stretched despite some dirty dealings)
Cloud Cobra - Zombie (resource poor and developing the Stalking Spider)
Coyote - Assailant (looks like the Coyotes always prefer Pod Space on their designs rather than speed or protection)
Diamond Shark - Assailant (development of the Grendel and the presence of the Adder, Nova, & Mad Dog)
Fire Mandrill - Zombie (just from a resource point of view I've put them here)
Ghost Bear - Speedster (main designs like the Fire Moth, Viper, and Executioner put them in the Speed Demon philosophy)
Goliath Scorpion - Zombie (Second Line Mechs in Front Line service and Battle Cobra is favored Medium)
Hell's Horses - Speedster (speed trumps pod space here)
Ice Hellion - Speedster (duh on this one as this is the speed Clan)
Jade Falcon - Assailant (close call, excellent design mix between pod space and Speedsters)
Nova Cat - Assailant (looking over their designs like the Nova Cat I've concluded they like themselves Pod Space)
Smoke Jaguar - Assailant (kill or be killed makes sense they try to carry the most firepower)
Snow Raven - Assailant (just enough wealth to field Omnis focusing on Pod Space)
Steel Viper - Zombie (Crossbow and Battle Cobra both standard engines)
Star Adder - Speedster (the new Blood Asp tells me that this Clan likes the rapid assault provided by these fast machines)
Wolf -Speedster (under Natasha and Phelan getting rid of the Timber Wolf a speedster for a Linebacker more of Speedster)

Ghost Bears are Speed Demons. The Dasher, Dragonfly and Gladiator are thier Primaries, with the Main four Heavies being spread pretty evenly, favoring the vulture to a degree. With what little we know about the Burrocks they seemed to be pretty variable due to lack of Resources, but favored big Hits on fast platforms.

JP given the evidence I'd have to agree with you on the Ghost Bears. I figured they'd be a Assailant (Max Pod Space for their Omnis) but they look to favor Speed.

Burrock I would tend to believe that they'd be a Zombie heavy Clan because of their resources even though their designs were said to favor mediums. Speed could be a possibility however.

Jade Falcon is a tough call. Their new generation of Omnis coming out is split between the Fire Falcon & Black Lanner (Speedsters) and the Night Gyr & Turkina (Assailants). Looking back at their pre-Tukayyid RAT we got the Kit Fox and Hellbringer (Assailants) with the Summoner & Gargoyle (Speedsters) as favored machines. With such a mix it is tough to choose one philosophy for the Clan but I'm feeling that they'd prefer more pod space than speed. So I'm going to place them in the Assailant category.

Research on Diamond Shark also splits between the Speedsters (Warhawk & Gargoyle) who max out their assault chassis speed and the Assailants (Koshi, Adder, Nova, & Mad Dog) who favor pod space on their lighter frames. The Grendel (or Mongrel if you prefer) is their latest Omni production model which interestingly enough steps down speed from the Ice Ferret (Fenris) for more pod space. So I'm going to place the Sharks in the Assailant category.

Cloud Cobra according to the RATs fields a bunch of Adders but nothing else is prolific. Given their resource situation and the fact that the Battle Cobra and the Stalking Spider appears in their front line touman I'm inclined to go with Zombie with Assailants them filling out.

Snow Raven despite their poor resource situation has many beneficial factors helping them enhance their touman. Their ever present merchants (probably Diamond Sharks chief competitor) and warship contracting deals with various Clans. Looking over their RATs their most popular Omnis seem to include Fire Moth (Speedster), Kit Fox (Assailant), Mist Lynx (Assailant), Nova (Assailant), and the Mad Dog (Assailant). Their assault RAT is split pretty evenly and includes a Kingfisher (Zombie). I do get the sense that the Clan has the resources and fits squarely into the Assailant OmniMech philosophy.

Goliath Scorpion not only does their Clan RAT from FM Warden Clans have them fielding many second line Mechs in Front Line service but with the Battle Cobra as their most prolific medium Omni and the Kingfisher appearing in their Assault I can only draw one conclusion. The Scorpions may have the poorest RAT for the Warden Clans which places them firmly in the Zombie camp despite some excellent designs by Master Arminas. I would find it a real feat for them to field Speedsters such as you designed my friend. Just don't have the resources. That being said I like your designs and would still like to use some for this project.

Burrock has no RAT that I can find but their situation places them in the Zombie area in my view.

Hell's Horses I almost forgot. Looking down their RAT they have four favorite Omnis - Fire Moth (Speedster), Stormcrow (Assailant), Timber Wolf (Speedster), Warhawk (Speedster). Going beyond that and looking at the rest of their Clan make up I feel that Speedster is proper designation for their touman. It isnâ€™t as close as Jade Falcons either. Speed trumps Pod Space here.

What do you guys think??

No problem, Takiro. A while back, I had an idea for second-line/garrison OmniMechs . . . all with standard engines, ala the Battle Cobra and Crossbow of Clan Steel Viper. The squeeze on pod-space makes them ideal for Clan Goliath Scorpion (which prefers energy and, alas in this case, ballistic weapons with a targeting computer). I'll post them a bit later . . . I have five designs: a 30-tonner moving at 8/12/x, a 40-tonner moving at 7/11/x, a 45-ton tonner moving at 6/9/x, a 60-tonner moving at 5/8/x, and an 80-tonner moving at 4/6/x.

Fits your Zombie category, I do believe and provides for low-cost OmniMechs. I selected those tonnages because those are the ones that give me the best combination of pod-space and armor protection. Still, the 30-ton 8/12/x design barely manages to fit 5.5 tons of pod-space . . . and there ain't a whole lot you can do with that!

MA

I should start posting the various design contests next week so I look forward to your entries. I was just surprised how poor the Goliath Scorpion and (more so) Blood Spirit RAT were. Stark differences from the other Clans.

That being said I'd love to get your input on future Scorpion and Clan developments as well for this setting. Love to use some of your ideas. ;)

All designs previously posted in this thread have been removed. They may show later as this series of challenges continues

Just updating the winner's list

1. 20-ton Zombie: Nightcrawler - MasterArminias - Clan Burrock
2. 20-ton Vampire: Bloodwing - MasterArminias - Clan Blood Spirit/Snow Raven
3. 25-ton Zombie: Sparrow - Fixtgerald - Clan Jade Falcon
4. 30-ton Zombie: Gremlin - Abele - Clan Burrock
5. 35-ton Werewolf: Quicksilver - Abele - Clan Ice Hellion
6. 35-ton Zombie: Coral Snake - Drakensis - Clan Steel Viper
7. 45-ton Zombie: Sand Devil - MasterArminias - Clan Goliath Scorpion/Diamond Shark
8. 50-ton Zombie: Quasar - Smegish - Clan Fire Mandrill
9. 60-ton Werewolf: Hellfury - Drakensis- Clan Star Adder
10. 60-ton Zombie: Iron Spider - JPArbiter - Clan Burrock
11. 70-ton Zombie: Crazy Horse - Drakensis - Clan Hell's Horses
12. 75-ton Zombie: Golden Lion - MasterArminias - Clan Steel Viper
13. 80-ton Zombie:
14. 80-ton Vampire:
15. 85-ton Zombie:
16. 85-ton Werewolf/Vampire: (depends on what we call the Masakari)
17. 90-ton Vampire:
18. 90 ton Werewolf:
19. 95-ton Vampire:
20. 95-ton Zombie:
21. 100-ton Werewolf:
22. 100-ton Zombie:

From #14 onwards it is my guesswork on what is needed and not what Takiro wants for his AU

I believe there are a total of 19 Quicksilver OmniMech Trails.

Confirmed. I just reviewed the list and I think you missing the Savage Coyote, Black Mamba (formerly the Blood Asp), and the Turkina.

I discounted those three as they are all designs from 3058 or beyond. An artificial criteria I used to determine the list that I made.

Here's an updated list

1. 20-ton Zombie: Nightcrawler - MasterArminias - Clan Burrock
2. 20-ton Vampire: Bloodwing - MasterArminias - Clan Blood Spirit/Snow Raven
3. 25-ton Zombie: Sparrow - Fixtgerald - Clan Jade Falcon
4. 30-ton Zombie: Gremlin - Abele - Clan Burrock
5. 35-ton Werewolf: Quicksilver - Abele - Clan Ice Hellion
6. 35-ton Zombie: Coral Snake - Drakensis - Clan Steel Viper
7. 45-ton Zombie: Sand Devil - MasterArminias - Clan Goliath Scorpion/Diamond Shark
8. 50-ton Zombie: Quasar - Smegish - Clan Fire Mandrill
9. 60-ton Werewolf: Hellfury - Drakensis- Clan Star Adder
10. 60-ton Zombie: Iron Spider - JPArbiter - Clan Burrock
11. 70-ton Zombie: Crazy Horse - Drakensis - Clan Hell's Horses
12. 75-ton Zombie: Golden Lion - MasterArminias - Clan Steel Viper
13. 80-ton Zombie:
14. 80-ton Vampire:
15. 85-ton Zombie:
16. 90-ton Vampire: This assumes the Black Mamba is the Werewolf
17. 95-ton Zombie: Assuming the Turkina is the Vampire
18. 100-ton Werewolf:
19. 100-ton Zombie:

Nice list, that is how the OmniMechs will break down. So your assumptions are mostly correct sir. The Turkina was introduced prior to 3058 though.

Another question: How are the Savage Coyote and Blood Asp (Black Mamba) in this when they are configured with weapons that are not allowed in this contest? All of the Savage Coyes feature the ATM launcher andthree of the five Blood Asp's original five configurations feature the Heavy Laser.

Chassis and equipment are good to go even if some of their weaponry must be redone. The Savage Coyote is a Vampire and the Black Mamba a Werewolf fyi.

Yeah the weapons refits are simple replace the ATMs with SRM or LRM and the Heavy lasers with standard laser like I have done below.

Savage Coyote II

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Savage Coyote II 

Mass: 85 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped Omnimech
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E
Production Year: 3059
Cost: 17,608,531 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,032

Chassis: Unknown Standard
Power Plant: Unknown 255 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 32.4 km/h
Maximum Speed: 54.0 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Standard Armor
Armament:
    45.0 tons of pod space.
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

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Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
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Internal Structure: Standard                     130 points                8.50
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             255                       6.50
    Walking MP: 3
    Running MP: 5
    Jumping MP: 0 
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             14(28)                    4.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LL, 1 RL
Gyro:               Standard                                               3.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA    R: SH+UA
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 240                 15.00

                                                      Internal       Armor      
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     27           34        
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  15        
                                           L/R Torso     18           26        
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  10        
                                             L/R Arm     14           25        
                                             L/R Leg     18           30        



================================================================================
Loadout Name: Prime                                          Cost: 21,749,063
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E                         BV2: 2,681

Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             17(34)                    3.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 1 CT, 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
    CASE Locations: LT, RT, LA                                             0.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA    R: SH+UA

Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ER PPC                                       RA        15        2         6.00
2 ER Small Lasers                            RA        4         2         1.00
Medium Pulse Laser                           RA        4         1         2.00
LB 10-X AC                                   LA        2         5        10.00
Medium Pulse Laser                           LA        4         1         2.00
LRM-20                                       RT        6         4         5.00
    Artemis IV FCS                           RT        -         1         1.00
LRM-20                                       LT        6         4         5.00
    Artemis IV FCS                           LT        -         1         1.00
ER Medium Laser                              HD        5         1         1.00
@LB 10-X (Slug) (10)                         LA        -         1         1.00
@LB 10-X (Cluster) (10)                      LA        -         1         1.00
@LRM-20 (Artemis) (18)                       RT        -         3         3.00
@LRM-20 (Artemis) (18)                       LT        -         3         3.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 3

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      8    Points: 27
3          7       7       5       0      4     2   Structure:  5
Special Abilities: OMNI, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, IF 3, FLK 1/1/1


================================================================================
Loadout Name: A                                              Cost: 21,826,647
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E                         BV2: 2,909

Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Jumping MP: 3  (Standard)
    Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 1 LT, 1 RT                                   3.00
    CASE Locations: LT, RT, RA                                             0.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA

Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Gauss Rifle                                  RA        1         6        12.00
ER Large Laser                               LA        12        1         4.00
2 Medium Pulse Lasers                        LA        8         2         4.00
SRM-6                                        LA        4         1         1.50
    Artemis IV FCS                           LA        -         1         1.00
LRM-15                                       RT        5         2         3.50
    Artemis IV FCS                           RT        -         1         1.00
LRM-15                                       LT        5         2         3.50
    Artemis IV FCS                           LT        -         1         1.00
Medium Pulse Laser                           CT        4         1         2.00
Anti-Missile System                          HD        1         1         0.50
@Gauss Rifle (16)                            RA        -         2         2.00
@LRM-15 (Artemis) (16)                       RT        -         2         2.00
@Anti-Missile System (24)                    LT        -         1         1.00
@LRM-15 (Artemis) (16)                       LT        -         2         2.00
@SRM-6 (Artemis) (15)                        LT        -         1         1.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 7

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      8    Points: 29
3j         6       7       4       0      4     2   Structure:  5
Special Abilities: OMNI, AMS, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, IF 2


================================================================================
Loadout Name: B                                              Cost: 20,908,469
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E                         BV2: 2,409

Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             20(40)                    6.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 1 CT, 2 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA, 3 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
    CASE Locations: LT, RT, LA                                             0.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA    R: SH+UA

Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Large Pulse Laser                            RA        10        2         6.00
2 ER Large Lasers                            RA        24        2         8.00
Ultra AC/5                                   LA        1         3         7.00
4 Small Pulse Lasers                         LA        8         4         4.00
Small Pulse Laser                            RT        2         1         1.00
LRM-20                                       RT        6         4         5.00
Streak SRM-6                                 LT        4         2         3.00
Small Pulse Laser                            HD        2         1         1.00
@Ultra AC/5 (20)                             LA        -         1         1.00
@LRM-20 (12)                                 RT        -         2         2.00
@Streak SRM-6 (15)                           LT        -         1         1.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 4

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      8    Points: 24
3          6       6       4       0      4     1   Structure:  5
Special Abilities: OMNI, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, IF 1


================================================================================
Loadout Name: C                                              Cost: 21,468,094
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E                         BV2: 3,077

Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Jumping MP: 3  (Standard)
    Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 1 LT, 1 RT                                   3.00
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             20(40)                    6.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT, 4 LA, 2 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
    CASE Locations: LT, RT                                                 0.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA    R: SH+UA

Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ER Large Laser                               RA        12        1         4.00
ER Medium Laser                              RA        5         1         1.00
Targeting Computer                           RA        -         4         4.00
ER Large Laser                               LA        12        1         4.00
ER Medium Laser                              LA        5         1         1.00
2 Streak SRM-6s                              RT        8         4         6.00
ER PPC                                       LT        15        2         6.00
2 Streak SRM-6s                              LT        8         4         6.00
@Streak SRM-6 (45)                           RT        -         3         3.00
@Streak SRM-6 (15)                           LT        -         1         1.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 2

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      8    Points: 31
3j         7       7       3       0      4     4   Structure:  5
Special Abilities: OMNI, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA

Black Mamba

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Black Mamba 

Mass: 90 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped Omnimech
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E
Production Year: 3059
Cost: 25,932,625 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,109

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 360 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Standard Armor
Armament:
    42.0 tons of pod space.
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

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Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
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Internal Structure: Endo-Steel                   138 points                4.50
    Internal Locations: 1 HD, 1 LT, 1 RT, 3 LA, 1 RA
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             360                      16.50
    Walking MP: 4
    Running MP: 6
    Jumping MP: 0 
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             14(28)                    4.00
Gyro:               Standard                                               4.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA    R: SH+UA
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 256                 16.00

                                                      Internal       Armor      
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     29           40        
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  13        
                                           L/R Torso     19           24        
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  11        
                                             L/R Arm     15           28        
                                             L/R Leg     19           34        



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Loadout Name: Prime                                          Cost: 29,003,500
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E                         BV2: 2,797

Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             18(36)                    4.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
    CASE Locations: LT, RT                                                 0.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA    R: SH+UA+LA

Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Medium Pulse Laser                           RA        4         1         2.00
2 ER Medium Lasers                           RA        10        2         2.00
Medium Pulse Laser                           LA        4         1         2.00
2 ER Medium Lasers                           LA        10        2         2.00
Gauss Rifle                                  RT        1         6        12.00
Gauss Rifle                                  LT        1         6        12.00
Streak SRM-6                                 CT        4         2         3.00
@Gauss Rifle (8)                             RT        -         1         1.00
@Streak SRM-6 (15)                           RT        -         1         1.00
@Gauss Rifle (8)                             LT        -         1         1.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 7

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      9    Points: 28
4          9       9       3       0      4     0   Structure:  5
Special Abilities: OMNI, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA


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Loadout Name: A                                              Cost: 29,419,125
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E                         BV2: 3,465

Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Jumping MP: 3  (Standard)
    Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 1 LT, 1 RT                                   6.00
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             25(50)                   11.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 4 LT, 2 RT, 1 LA, 2 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA    R: SH+UA

Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ER PPC                                       RA        15        2         6.00
ER Large Laser                               RA        12        1         4.00
ER PPC                                       LA        15        2         6.00
ER Large Laser                               LA        12        1         4.00
Targeting Computer                           RT        -         4         4.00
ECM Suite                                    CT        0         1         1.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 4

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      9    Points: 35
4/2j       6       6       6       0      4     0   Structure:  5
Special Abilities: OMNI, ECM, ENE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA


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Loadout Name: B                                              Cost: 29,737,375
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E                         BV2: 2,885

Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             16(32)                    2.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 1 RT, 1 RA
    CASE Locations: RT, LA, RA                                             0.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA    R: SH+UA

Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
LRM-20                                       RA        6         4         5.00
    Artemis IV FCS                           RA        -         1         1.00
LRM-20                                       LA        6         4         5.00
    Artemis IV FCS                           LA        -         1         1.00
Gauss Rifle                                  RT        1         6        12.00
4 Medium Pulse Lasers                        LT        16        4         8.00
ECM Suite                                    CT        0         1         1.00
@LRM-20 (Artemis) (12)                       RA        -         2         2.00
@LRM-20 (Artemis) (12)                       LA        -         2         2.00
@Gauss Rifle (8)                             CT        -         1         1.00
@Gauss Rifle (8)                             RL        -         1         1.00
@Gauss Rifle (8)                             LL        -         1         1.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 8

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      9    Points: 29
4          8       8       5       0      4     0   Structure:  5
Special Abilities: OMNI, ECM, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, IF 3


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Loadout Name: C                                              Cost: 29,600,813
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E                         BV2: 2,270

Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    CASE Locations: CT, LT                                                 0.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA    R: SH+UA+LA

Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ER Large Laser                               RA        12        1         4.00
Ultra AC/10                                  LA        3         4        10.00
LB 20-X AC                                   RT        6         9        12.00
Ultra AC/10                                  LT        3         4        10.00
@Ultra AC/10 (40)                            LT        -         4         4.00
@LB 20-X (Slug) (5)                          CT        -         1         1.00
@LB 20-X (Cluster) (5)                       CT        -         1         1.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 15

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      9    Points: 23
4          6       6       4       0      4     0   Structure:  5
Special Abilities: OMNI, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, FLK 1/1/0


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Loadout Name: D                                              Cost: 29,117,500
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E                         BV2: 2,502

Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             16(32)                    2.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 1 CT, 1 RT
    CASE Locations: LT, RT                                                 0.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA    R: SH+UA+LA

Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ER Large Laser                               RA        12        1         4.00
ER Medium Laser                              RA        5         1         1.00
ER Large Laser                               LA        12        1         4.00
ER Medium Laser                              LA        5         1         1.00
3 Ultra AC/2s                                RT        3         6        15.00
Gauss Rifle                                  LT        1         6        12.00
@Ultra AC/2 (45)                             RT        -         1         1.00
@Gauss Rifle (16)                            LT        -         2         2.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 15

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      9    Points: 25
4          5       5       4       0      4     1   Structure:  5
Special Abilities: OMNI, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA

wait a sec, there is no 85 ton Speed Demon? I had something chambered for that damn it all!

There is, it's the Warhawk (Masakari)

I did better...

Only one technical route I can see to opening that one up.

There's only one way to go faster than the Masakari and that is by adding MASC which would take three tons/crits away from a design. Then again you' building a speed demon and there have to beacrificesto achieve that goal.

Quote from: Abele on September 05, 2014, 10:57:57 AM

There's only one way to go faster than the Masakari and that is by adding MASC which would take three tons/crits away from a design. Then again you' building a speed demon and there have to beacrificesto achieve that goal.

The Masakari is over sinked and by unofficial rule every design has to incorporate a targeting computer. I added MASc and exceeded the Masakari's pod space.

Wait . . . I thought we were going to have a Speedster in the 80-ton category to compete against/potentially replace the Gargoyle? Come on, Takiro, give us another slot! :)

MA

Please hold on to any potential challengers of the status quo until the Quicksilver Trails have been concluded and all slots have been filled. ;) Thank you!

Here's an updated list

1. 20-ton Zombie: Nightcrawler - MasterArminias - Clan Burrock
2. 20-ton Vampire: Bloodwing - MasterArminias - Clan Blood Spirit/Snow Raven
3. 25-ton Zombie: Sparrow - Fixtgerald - Clan Jade Falcon
4. 30-ton Zombie: Gremlin - Abele - Clan Burrock
5. 35-ton Werewolf: Quicksilver - Abele - Clan Ice Hellion
6. 35-ton Zombie: Coral Snake - Drakensis - Clan Steel Viper
7. 45-ton Zombie: Sand Devil - MasterArminias - Clan Goliath Scorpion/Diamond Shark
8. 50-ton Zombie: Quasar - Smegish - Clan Fire Mandrill
9. 60-ton Werewolf: Hellfury - Drakensis- Clan Star Adder
10. 60-ton Zombie: Iron Spider - JPArbiter - Clan Burrock
11. 70-ton Zombie: Crazy Horse - Drakensis - Clan Hell's Horses
12. 75-ton Zombie: Golden Lion - MasterArminias - Clan Steel Viper
13. 80-ton Zombie: Glaive - Drakensis - Clan Diamond Shark
14. 80-ton Vampire: Nightstalker - Abele - Clan Ice Hellion
15. 85-ton Zombie: Stone Lion - Drakensis - Clans Goliath Scorpion/Blood Spirit
16. 90-ton Vampire:
17. 95-ton Zombie:
18. 100-ton Werewolf:
19. 100-ton Zombie:

Here's an updated list

1. 20-ton Zombie: Nightcrawler - MasterArminias - Clan Burrock
2. 20-ton Vampire: Bloodwing - MasterArminias - Clan Blood Spirit/Snow Raven
3. 25-ton Zombie: Sparrow - Fitzgerald - Clan Jade Falcon
4. 30-ton Zombie: Gremlin - Abele - Clan Burrock
5. 35-ton Werewolf: Quicksilver - Abele - Clan Ice Hellion
6. 35-ton Zombie: Coral Snake - Drakensis - Clan Steel Viper
7. 45-ton Zombie: Sand Devil - MasterArminias - Clan Goliath Scorpion/Diamond Shark
8. 50-ton Zombie: Quasar - Smegish - Clan Fire Mandrill
9. 60-ton Werewolf: Hellfury - Drakensis- Clan Star Adder
10. 60-ton Zombie: Iron Spider - JPArbiter - Clan Burrock
11. 70-ton Zombie: Crazy Horse - Drakensis - Clan Hell's Horses
12. 75-ton Zombie: Golden Lion - MasterArminias - Clan Steel Viper
13. 80-ton Zombie: Glaive - Drakensis - Clan Diamond Shark
14. 80-ton Vampire: Nightstalker - Abele - Clan Ice Hellion
15. 85-ton Zombie: Stone Lion - Drakensis - Clans Goliath Scorpion/Blood Spirit
16. 90-ton Vampire: Clansman - Drakensis - Clan Diamond Shark
17. 95-ton Zombie: Kinslayer - LordGrayson - Clan Blood Spirit
18. 100-ton Werewolf: DeChevillier - JPArbiter - Clan Ghost Bear
19. 100-ton Zombie:

Aerospace Expansion
   As the initial Trails raged for OmniMech production in Clan space the Snow Ravens and the Cloud Cobras forwarded a motion to the Grand Council. Their joint proposal formally expanded the Quicksilver Program to include the Clan aerospace industry. Touching on the merits of such an expansion both their Khans cited â€œthe barbarians of the InnerSphereâ€ and their near equal performance during the aerospace engagements of Operation Revival. With examples like Tyra Miraborg they accused the ilKhan and his Wolves as being too shortsighted and failing to explicitly include OmniFighters as part of his renewed armament project.
   Of course the Ice Hellion under the direction of Khan Asa Taney, himself an aerospace pilot, played right into their scheme further scolding the Wolves. The Goliath Scorpions merely pointed out the tactical advantages of such an endeavor while Star Adder agreed on the military necessity of maintaining aerospace superiority. Burrock too recognized the importance of a strengthened fighter force. Diamond Shark proudly cited Karen Nagasawa and with eyes on future profits backed this venture. Nova Cat and their aerospace Khan, Severn Leroux, foresaw the potential benefits as well. Lastly Ghost Bear spoke and backed its allies no doubt realizing its asteroid mining would fuel such expansion.
   Despite a majority of Clans (9) coming out in support of the suggestion the Wolves angrily reacted to any dispersions made by these â€œHome Clansâ€ and harshly denied any plot against further fighter development. The Coyotes immediately backed their long time allies especially because of the Cloud Cobrasâ€™ involvement. Steel Viper was much cooler in their opposition merely stating its satisfaction with their current organization and equipment. No doubt they were motivated by the Snow Ravens planned aerospace expansion and wished to block their rivalâ€™s ambitions. However, even among these three (3) opposing Clans there was a tacit acknowledgement of the value of such an idea.
   While a clear majority was formed in the Council early on five Clans were caught in the middle so to speak. The Jade Falcons and Smoke Jaguars desperately wanted to retaliate against the ilKhan and vote yes but they immediately recognized the political ploy and were wary of future industrial commitments. Blood Spirit thought aerospace expansion was a good idea but had spent so much on â€˜Mech development they initially hesitated. Fire Mandrill, always divided, had some enthusiastic aerospace Kindraa but were drowned out by larger more conservative Kindraa. Finally Hellâ€™s Horses had reservations about backing their rivals plan but admitted it had merit.
   To discourage any future refusal the Ravens and Cobras actively campaigned for further support. Fiscal backing from the Diamond Sharks and the Nova Cats to the Blood Spirits sealed their support. With its allies in many Fire Mandrill Kindraa they were next to fall in line although some remained unconvinced. Assuring the Crusaders that development of a single OmniFighter for every available weight class (17) would limit the extent of this project in comparison to the OmniMech Program (51) got them on board. Only the Hellâ€™s Horses remained loyal to their Clan allies and refused to be swayed. The final vote in the Grand Council would be 25 for and 9 against.
   The ilKhan admitted the idea had merit and declined a Trail of Refusal (of course grievances followed) on the grounds that it would squander resources. In truth with nearly 3 to 1 advantage in any such trail such a battle would have been difficult at best. With the likely arena to be aerospace and the best Clan forces serving as champions such an effort becomes even more daunting. However it must be said that there was never any evidence that the ilKhan would not eventually extend the program to the aerospace industry. Thus this ploy by the Ravens and the Cobras only ensured such a move but did so by building on the ill will garnered by the initial Quicksilver Trails.

Well that has to be an easier sell than a vehicle expansion.

Alas that I don't have a working copy of HMA.

Same here, my laptop ate it for breakfast a long time ago.

EDIT: I've got HMA working again, but I don't know for how long it will last

Well I hope everybody will participate. The more the merrier as they say.

Is there an official naming convention for Clan OmniFighters?

One of the things I am trying to determine is which Clan will be the primary producer of the Vandal and Avar. Of course the party line is various but looking at the fluff on both has given me clues. The Avar I would guess is a Snow Raven design as it mentions them in the fluff along with Blood Spirit who they have trade with. Plus them being the Naval Clan and it makes a whole bunch of sense.

The Vandal also made by various Clans was first made in 2941 and is a bit more mysterious. Components mentioned are from Tokasha and Gatekeeper while the Clan pilots are from Hell's Horses and Fire Mandrill. Could it have been the Hell's Horses before their ejection from Tokasha? Or is it Jade Falcon with holdings on both Gatekeeper and Tokasha?

Again being the Primary Manufacturer does not mean other Clans will not be able to produce said designs in my setting. Rather it will establish a central factory to maximize production for the war effort. This larger site will be able to manufacture more equipment then most smaller Clan operations which I would consider secondary cites. Resources and supplies are a big part too as all Clan material is subject to said war production. Of course outside supply entitles that Clan a piece of the pie so to speak either in production or merchant credit. I will cover this develop in a future Clarion Call chapter that will deal with Operation Restoration and its consequences. Yes there will be opposition led by the Crusaders (Jade Falcon and Smoke Jaguar).

The Clan Omnifighters are named nomadic tribes with a warrior bent. Mst, if not all, are tirbes from central or eastern Asia. I did the research about ten years ago for a personal project, though the designs are lost to history.

I can only find give weight classes (25-, 55-, 65-, 85- and 95-tons) available for this aerospace competiton

Here's the finallist for the OmniMech portion of this challenge:

1. 20-ton Zombie: Nightcrawler - MasterArminias - Clan Burrock
2. 20-ton Vampire: Bloodwing - MasterArminias - Clan Blood Spirit/Snow Raven
3. 25-ton Zombie: Sparrow - Fitzgerald - Clan Jade Falcon
4. 30-ton Zombie: Gremlin - Abele - Clan Burrock
5. 35-ton Werewolf: Quicksilver - Abele - Clan Ice Hellion
6. 35-ton Zombie: Coral Snake - Drakensis - Clan Steel Viper
7. 45-ton Zombie: Sand Devil - MasterArminias - Clan Goliath Scorpion/Diamond Shark
8. 50-ton Zombie: Quasar - Smegish - Clan Fire Mandrill
9. 60-ton Werewolf: Hellfury - Drakensis- Clan Star Adder
10. 60-ton Zombie: Iron Spider - JPArbiter - Clan Burrock
11. 70-ton Zombie: Crazy Horse - Drakensis - Clan Hell's Horses
12. 75-ton Zombie: Golden Lion - MasterArminias - Clan Steel Viper
13. 80-ton Zombie: Glaive - Drakensis - Clan Diamond Shark
14. 80-ton Vampire: Nightstalker - Abele - Clan Ice Hellion
15. 85-ton Zombie: Stone Lion - Drakensis - Clans Goliath Scorpion/Blood Spirit
16. 90-ton Vampire: Clansman - Drakensis - Clan Diamond Shark
17. 95-ton Zombie: Kinslayer - LordGrayson - Clan Blood Spirit
18. 100-ton Werewolf: DeChevillier - JPArbiter - Clan Ghost Bear
19. 100-ton Zombie: Menoetius - JPArbiter - Clan Coyote

We also have some thrust categories that aren't filled:

5/8: Jengiz (80 tons), Kirghiz (100 tons)
6/9: Jagatai (70 tons), Sabutai (75 tons), Scytha (90 tons)
7/11: Turk (50 tons), Visigoth (60 tons)
8/12: N/A
9/14: Batu (40 tons), Sulla (45 tons)
10/15: Avar (35 tons)
11/17: N/A
12/18: N/A
13/20: Bashir (20 tons)
14/21: Vandal (30 tons)

MA

Very interesting point Master Arminas. I hope you will join the effort. First OmniFighter contest is going up now!

Here's the updated winners list for the Quicksilver Challenge:

1. 20-ton Zombie: Nightcrawler - MasterArminias - Clan Burrock
2. 20-ton Vampire: Bloodwing - MasterArminias - Clans Blood Spirit/Snow Raven
3. 25-ton Zombie: Sparrow - Fitzgerald - Clan Jade Falcon
4. 30-ton Zombie: Gremlin - Abele - Clan Burrock
5. 35-ton Werewolf: Quicksilver - Abele - Clan Ice Hellion
6. 35-ton Zombie: Coral Snake - Drakensis - Clan Steel Viper
7. 45-ton Zombie: Sand Devil - MasterArminias - Clans Goliath Scorpion/Diamond Shark
8. 50-ton Zombie: Quasar - Smegish - Clan Fire Mandrill
9. 60-ton Werewolf: Hellfury - Drakensis- Clan Star Adder
10. 60-ton Zombie: Iron Spider - JPArbiter - Clan Burrock
11. 70-ton Zombie: Crazy Horse - Drakensis - Clan Hell's Horses
12. 75-ton Zombie: Golden Lion - MasterArminias - Clan Steel Viper
13. 80-ton Zombie: Glaive - Drakensis - Clan Diamond Shark
14. 80-ton Vampire: Nightstalker - Abele - Clan Ice Hellion
15. 85-ton Zombie: Stone Lion - Drakensis - Clans Goliath Scorpion/Blood Spirit
16. 90-ton Vampire: Clansman - Drakensis - Clan Diamond Shark
17. 95-ton Zombie: Kinslayer - LordGrayson - Clan Blood Spirit
18. 100-ton Werewolf: DeChavillier - JPArbiter - Clan Ghost Bear
19. 100-ton Zombie: Menoetius - JPArbiter - Clan Coyote
20. 25-ton Aerospace Fighter: Sarmatian - MasterArminias - Clan Goliath Scorpion
21. 30-ton Aerospace Fighter: Apache - MasterArminias - Clan Cloud Cobra
22. 55-ton Aerospace Fighter: Zulu - MasterArminias - Clan Snow Raven
23. 65-ton Aerospace Fighter: Qashqai - Abele - Clans Hell's Horses/Diamond Shark
24. 85-ton Aerospace Fighter:
25. 95-ton Aerospace Fighter:

Here's the updated winners list for the Quicksilver Challenge:

1. 20-ton Zombie: Nightcrawler - MasterArminias - Clan Burrock
2. 20-ton Vampire: Bloodwing - MasterArminias - Clans Blood Spirit/Snow Raven
3. 25-ton Zombie: Sparrow - Fitzgerald - Clan Jade Falcon
4. 30-ton Zombie: Gremlin - Abele - Clan Burrock
5. 35-ton Werewolf: Quicksilver - Abele - Clan Ice Hellion
6. 35-ton Zombie: Coral Snake - Drakensis - Clan Steel Viper
7. 45-ton Zombie: Sand Devil - MasterArminias - Clans Goliath Scorpion/Diamond Shark
8. 50-ton Zombie: Quasar - Smegish - Clan Fire Mandrill
9. 60-ton Werewolf: Hellfury - Drakensis- Clan Star Adder
10. 60-ton Zombie: Iron Spider - JPArbiter - Clan Burrock
11. 70-ton Zombie: Crazy Horse - Drakensis - Clan Hell's Horses
12. 75-ton Zombie: Golden Lion - MasterArminias - Clan Steel Viper
13. 80-ton Zombie: Glaive - Drakensis - Clan Diamond Shark
14. 80-ton Vampire: Nightstalker - Abele - Clan Ice Hellion
15. 85-ton Zombie: Stone Lion - Drakensis - Clans Goliath Scorpion/Blood Spirit
16. 90-ton Vampire: Clansman - Drakensis - Clan Diamond Shark
17. 95-ton Zombie: Kinslayer - LordGrayson - Clan Blood Spirit
18. 100-ton Werewolf: DeChavillier - JPArbiter - Clan Ghost Bear
19. 100-ton Zombie: Menoetius - JPArbiter - Clan Coyote
20. 25-ton Aerospace Fighter: Sarmatian - MasterArminias - Clan Goliath Scorpion
21. 30-ton Aerospace Fighter: Apache - MasterArminias - Clan Cloud Cobra
22. 55-ton Aerospace Fighter: Zulu - MasterArminias - Clan Snow Raven
23. 65-ton Aerospace Fighter: Qashqai - Abele - Clans Hell's Horses/Diamond Shark
24. 85-ton Aerospace Fighter: Cimmerian -Drakensis - Clans Cloud Cobra/Smoke Jaguar
25. 95-ton Aerospace Fighter:

Here's the updated winners list for the Quicksilver Challenge:

1. 20-ton Zombie: Nightcrawler - MasterArminias - Clan Burrock
2. 20-ton Vampire: Bloodwing - MasterArminias - Clans Blood Spirit/Snow Raven
3. 25-ton Zombie: Sparrow - Fitzgerald - Clan Jade Falcon
4. 30-ton Zombie: Gremlin - Abele - Clan Burrock
5. 35-ton Werewolf: Quicksilver - Abele - Clan Ice Hellion
6. 35-ton Zombie: Coral Snake - Drakensis - Clan Steel Viper
7. 45-ton Zombie: Sand Devil - MasterArminias - Clans Goliath Scorpion/Diamond Shark
8. 50-ton Zombie: Quasar - Smegish - Clan Fire Mandrill
9. 60-ton Werewolf: Hellfury - Drakensis- Clan Star Adder
10. 60-ton Zombie: Iron Spider - JPArbiter - Clan Burrock
11. 70-ton Zombie: Crazy Horse - Drakensis - Clan Hell's Horses
12. 75-ton Zombie: Golden Lion - MasterArminias - Clan Steel Viper
13. 80-ton Zombie: Glaive - Drakensis - Clan Diamond Shark
14. 80-ton Vampire: Nightstalker - Abele - Clan Ice Hellion
15. 85-ton Zombie: Stone Lion - Drakensis - Clans Goliath Scorpion/Blood Spirit
16. 90-ton Vampire: Clansman - Drakensis - Clan Diamond Shark
17. 95-ton Zombie: Kinslayer - LordGrayson - Clan Blood Spirit
18. 100-ton Werewolf: DeChavillier - JPArbiter - Clan Ghost Bear
19. 100-ton Zombie: Menoetius - JPArbiter - Clan Coyote
20. 25-ton Aerospace Fighter: Sarmatian - MasterArminias - Clan Goliath Scorpion
21. 30-ton Aerospace Fighter: Apache - MasterArminias - Clan Cloud Cobra
22. 55-ton Aerospace Fighter: Zulu - MasterArminias - Clan Snow Raven
23. 65-ton Aerospace Fighter: Qashqai - Abele - Clans Hell's Horses/Diamond Shark
24. 85-ton Aerospace Fighter: Cimmerian -Drakensis - Clans Cloud Cobra/Smoke Jaguar
25. 95-ton Aerospace Fighter: Hyperborean - Drakensis - Clans Hell's Horses/Cloud Cobra
26. Clan Fire Mandrill Supplemental:
27. Clan Ice Hellion Supplemental:
28. Clan Coyote Supplemental:
29. Clan Nova Cat Supplemental:

Well I should point out the next challenge will focus on Ice Hellion.

Then Coyote and finally Nova Cat.

Fixed

Here's the updated winners list for the Quicksilver Challenge:

1. 20-ton Zombie: Nightcrawler - MasterArminias - Clan Burrock
2. 20-ton Vampire: Bloodwing - MasterArminias - Clans Blood Spirit/Snow Raven
3. 25-ton Zombie: Sparrow - Fitzgerald - Clan Jade Falcon
4. 30-ton Zombie: Gremlin - Abele - Clan Burrock
5. 35-ton Werewolf: Quicksilver - Abele - Clan Ice Hellion
6. 35-ton Zombie: Coral Snake - Drakensis - Clan Steel Viper
7. 45-ton Zombie: Sand Devil - MasterArminias - Clans Goliath Scorpion/Diamond Shark
8. 50-ton Zombie: Quasar - Smegish - Clan Fire Mandrill
9. 60-ton Werewolf: Hellfury - Drakensis- Clan Star Adder
10. 60-ton Zombie: Iron Spider - JPArbiter - Clan Burrock
11. 70-ton Zombie: Crazy Horse - Drakensis - Clan Hell's Horses
12. 75-ton Zombie: Golden Lion - MasterArminias - Clan Steel Viper
13. 80-ton Zombie: Glaive - Drakensis - Clan Diamond Shark
14. 80-ton Vampire: Nightstalker - Abele - Clan Ice Hellion
15. 85-ton Zombie: Stone Lion - Drakensis - Clans Goliath Scorpion/Blood Spirit
16. 90-ton Vampire: Clansman - Drakensis - Clan Diamond Shark
17. 95-ton Zombie: Kinslayer - LordGrayson - Clan Blood Spirit
18. 100-ton Werewolf: DeChavillier - JPArbiter - Clan Ghost Bear
19. 100-ton Zombie: Menoetius - JPArbiter - Clan Coyote
20. 25-ton Aerospace Fighter: Sarmatian - MasterArminias - Clan Goliath Scorpion
21. 30-ton Aerospace Fighter: Apache - MasterArminias - Clan Cloud Cobra
22. 55-ton Aerospace Fighter: Zulu - MasterArminias - Clan Snow Raven
23. 65-ton Aerospace Fighter: Qashqai - Abele - Clans Hell's Horses/Diamond Shark
24. 85-ton Aerospace Fighter: Cimmerian -Drakensis - Clans Cloud Cobra/Smoke Jaguar
25. 95-ton Aerospace Fighter: Hyperborean - Drakensis - Clans Hell's Horses/Cloud Cobra
26. Clan Fire Mandrill Supplemental: Kubulai -Drakensis - Clans Fire Mandrill/Hell's Horses
27. Clan Ice Hellion Supplemental:
28. Clan Coyote Supplemental:
29. Clan Nova Cat Supplemental:

As Challenge 27 rages on I wanted to discuss the final two aerospace contests. During the aerospace portion of the Quicksilver Trails I have seen many awesome concepts. I believe there are two concepts remaining with two remaining Clans. Coyote and Nova Cat. I wanted to run these concepts by you and make sure they meshed.

Coyote
â€“ Medium fighter designed for close air support with super heavy armor (see the 55 ton Pashtun or the 65 ton Timur by drakensis) was originally Hellâ€™s Horses but Coyote could fit. Both Clans are relatively close allies and could work together plus the Yotes always struck me as a ground focused Clan.

Nova Cat
â€“ An inexpensive Medium fighter that while slow moving has the armor and armament of a heavy fighter (see the 65 ton Maori by masterarminas) with great range (fuel) and endurance (energy weapons). While originally a Diamond Shark & Goliath Scorpion I think the Cats could fit be a good fit especially with their energy weapon proficiency.

Or is there some additional Unknown Concepts you would like to suggest for these Clans?

Since you already have a preference for previously submitted designs I suggest choosing from among those. If we are to compete against those designs we will be pigeon-holed like we were with the Ice Hellion challenge. I know that I'm at my imagination's end when it comes to the Aerospace contest when it comes to names and fluff (as can be witnessed by my half-assed writings for the Ice Hellion challenge).

I guess I could do that but unlike the Fire Mandrill entries there is really no suitable entries for any of the other three contests. I also figured with a wider array of tonnages to chose from there might be a better choice to make.

Here's the updated winners list for the Quicksilver Challenge:

1. 20-ton Zombie: Nightcrawler - MasterArminias - Clan Burrock
2. 20-ton Vampire: Bloodwing - MasterArminias - Clans Blood Spirit/Snow Raven
3. 25-ton Zombie: Sparrow - Fitzgerald - Clan Jade Falcon
4. 30-ton Zombie: Gremlin - Abele - Clan Burrock
5. 35-ton Werewolf: Quicksilver - Abele - Clan Ice Hellion
6. 35-ton Zombie: Coral Snake - Drakensis - Clan Steel Viper
7. 45-ton Zombie: Sand Devil - MasterArminias - Clans Goliath Scorpion/Diamond Shark
8. 50-ton Zombie: Quasar - Smegish - Clan Fire Mandrill
9. 60-ton Werewolf: Hellfury - Drakensis- Clan Star Adder
10. 60-ton Zombie: Iron Spider - JPArbiter - Clan Burrock
11. 70-ton Zombie: Crazy Horse - Drakensis - Clan Hell's Horses
12. 75-ton Zombie: Golden Lion - MasterArminias - Clan Steel Viper
13. 80-ton Zombie: Glaive - Drakensis - Clan Diamond Shark
14. 80-ton Vampire: Nightstalker - Abele - Clan Ice Hellion
15. 85-ton Zombie: Stone Lion - Drakensis - Clans Goliath Scorpion/Blood Spirit
16. 90-ton Vampire: Clansman - Drakensis - Clan Diamond Shark
17. 95-ton Zombie: Kinslayer - LordGrayson - Clan Blood Spirit
18. 100-ton Werewolf: DeChavillier - JPArbiter - Clan Ghost Bear
19. 100-ton Zombie: Menoetius - JPArbiter - Clan Coyote
20. 25-ton Aerospace Fighter: Sarmatian - MasterArminias - Clan Goliath Scorpion
21. 30-ton Aerospace Fighter: Apache - MasterArminias - Clan Cloud Cobra
22. 55-ton Aerospace Fighter: Zulu - MasterArminias - Clan Snow Raven
23. 65-ton Aerospace Fighter: Qashqai - Abele - Clans Hell's Horses/Diamond Shark
24. 85-ton Aerospace Fighter: Cimmerian -Drakensis - Clans Cloud Cobra/Smoke Jaguar
25. 95-ton Aerospace Fighter: Hyperborean - Drakensis - Clans Hell's Horses/Cloud Cobra
26. Clan Fire Mandrill Supplemental: Kubulai (85 tons) -Drakensis - Clans Fire Mandrill/Hell's Horses
27. Clan Ice Hellion Supplemental: Gypsy (35 tons) - Abele - Clan Ice Hellion
28. Clan Coyote Supplemental: Shoshone (60 tons) -Abele - Clan Coyote
29. Clan Nova Cat Supplemental: Maori (65 tons) - MasterArminias - Clan Nova Cat
30. Clan Helicopter Gunship:
31. 45-ton Omnivehicle:
32. 55-ton Omnivehicle:
33. 70-ton Omnivehicle:
34. 80-ton Omnivehicle:
35. 90-ton Omnivehicle:
36. 95-ton Omnivehicle:

And that makes three of my five wins in favor of the Ice Hellions. finally, something good happens for my first true love amongst the Clans

Here's the updated winners list for the Quicksilver Challenge:

1. 20-ton Zombie: Nightcrawler - MasterArminias - Clan Burrock
2. 20-ton Vampire: Bloodwing - MasterArminias - Clans Blood Spirit/Snow Raven
3. 25-ton Zombie: Sparrow - Fitzgerald - Clan Jade Falcon
4. 30-ton Zombie: Gremlin - Abele - Clan Burrock
5. 35-ton Werewolf: Quicksilver - Abele - Clan Ice Hellion
6. 35-ton Zombie: Coral Snake - Drakensis - Clan Steel Viper
7. 45-ton Zombie: Sand Devil - MasterArminias - Clans Goliath Scorpion/Diamond Shark
8. 50-ton Zombie: Quasar - Smegish - Clan Fire Mandrill
9. 60-ton Werewolf: Hellfury - Drakensis- Clan Star Adder
10. 60-ton Zombie: Iron Spider - JPArbiter - Clan Burrock
11. 70-ton Zombie: Crazy Horse - Drakensis - Clan Hell's Horses
12. 75-ton Zombie: Golden Lion - MasterArminias - Clan Steel Viper
13. 80-ton Zombie: Glaive - Drakensis - Clan Diamond Shark
14. 80-ton Vampire: Nightstalker - Abele - Clan Ice Hellion
15. 85-ton Zombie: Stone Lion - Drakensis - Clans Goliath Scorpion/Blood Spirit
16. 90-ton Vampire: Clansman - Drakensis - Clan Diamond Shark
17. 95-ton Zombie: Kinslayer - LordGrayson - Clan Blood Spirit
18. 100-ton Werewolf: DeChavillier - JPArbiter - Clan Ghost Bear
19. 100-ton Zombie: Menoetius - JPArbiter - Clan Coyote
20. 25-ton Aerospace Fighter: Sarmatian - MasterArminias - Clan Goliath Scorpion
21. 30-ton Aerospace Fighter: Apache - MasterArminias - Clan Cloud Cobra
22. 55-ton Aerospace Fighter: Zulu - MasterArminias - Clan Snow Raven
23. 65-ton Aerospace Fighter: Qashqai - Abele - Clans Hell's Horses/Diamond Shark
24. 85-ton Aerospace Fighter: Cimmerian -Drakensis - Clans Cloud Cobra/Smoke Jaguar
25. 95-ton Aerospace Fighter: Hyperborean - Drakensis - Clans Hell's Horses/Cloud Cobra
26. Clan Fire Mandrill Supplemental: Kubulai (85 tons) -Drakensis - Clans Fire Mandrill/Hell's Horses
27. Clan Ice Hellion Supplemental: Gypsy (35 tons) - Abele - Clan Ice Hellion
28. Clan Coyote Supplemental: Shoshone (60 tons) -Abele - Clan Coyote
29. Clan Nova Cat Supplemental: Maori (65 tons) - MasterArminias - Clan Nova Cat
30. Clan Helicopter Gunship: Fenris (30 tons) - Drakensis - Clan Wolf
31. Clan Hovertank Hellraiser: Tanit (25 tons) - JPArbiter - Clan Blood Spirit
32. Clan Urban Assault Omnivehicle (Wheeled): Thor (55 tons) - Drakensis - Clan Star Adder
33. Clan Universal Weapons Carrier: Bucephalus (50 ton Hovercraft) - JPArbiter - Clan Hell's Horses
34. Clan Strike Tank (Tracked): Nike (30 tons) - MasterArminias - Clan Hell's Horses
35. Clan Main Battle Tank (Tracked): Yen Lo Wang (75 tons) - Drakensis - Clan Diamond Shark
36. Can Assault Tank (Tracked): Rudra (80 tons) - Drakensis -Clan Ice Hellion

You can disregard my previous statement I found the list of final winners I assume. Were there reasons some tonnages don't have all categories of Zombie, Vampire and Werewolf.

Quote from: Bradshaw on June 05, 2018, 10:41:17 AM

Were there reasons some tonnages don't have all categories of Zombie, Vampire and Werewolf.

Yes, the Upgrades we are doing now were existing designs that in most cases won a place and hence didn't need a new design.

Actually the list above does not include OmniFighters. Will update and get some links going later!

Here is a list of links thus far for OmniMechs....

Quicksilver Clearinghouse Thread

Filling the Gaps (Clan OmniMechs)
https://www.ourbattletech.com/forum/index.php?topic=2581.0

Quicksilver Decisions
https://www.ourbattletech.com/forum/index.php?topic=2647.0

Quicksilver Trials

Quicksilver Program #1 - 20 ton OmniMech (Zombie)
https://www.ourbattletech.com/forum/index.php?topic=2595.0

Quicksilver Program #2: 20 ton OmniMech (Vampire)
https://www.ourbattletech.com/forum/index.php?topic=2606.0

Quicksilver Program #3: 25 ton Zombie OmniMech
https://www.ourbattletech.com/forum/index.php?topic=2611.0

Quicksilver Program #4: 30 ton Zombie OmniMech
https://www.ourbattletech.com/forum/index.php?topic=2623.0

Quicksilver Program #5: 35 ton Werewolf OmniMech
https://www.ourbattletech.com/forum/index.php?topic=2633.0

Quicksilver Program #6: 35 ton Zombie OmniMech
https://www.ourbattletech.com/forum/index.php?topic=2642.0

Quicksilver Program #7: 45 ton Zombie OmniMech
https://www.ourbattletech.com/forum/index.php?topic=2660.0

Quicksilver Program #8: 50 ton Zombie OmniMech
https://www.ourbattletech.com/forum/index.php?topic=2670.0

Quicksilver Program #9: 60 ton Werewolf (Speedster) OmniMech
https://www.ourbattletech.com/forum/index.php?topic=2682.0

Quicksilver Program #10: 60 ton Zombie OmniMech (BEAT THE LUPUS!)
https://www.ourbattletech.com/forum/index.php?topic=2692.0

Quicksilver Program #11: 70 ton Zombie OmniMech
https://www.ourbattletech.com/forum/index.php?topic=2703.0

Quicksilver Program #12: 75 ton Zombie OmniMech (BEAT THE WOODSMAN!)
https://www.ourbattletech.com/forum/index.php?topic=2717.0

Quicksilver Program #13: 80 ton Zombie OmniMech
https://www.ourbattletech.com/forum/index.php?topic=2730.0

Quicksilver Program #14: 80 ton Vampire OmniMech
https://www.ourbattletech.com/forum/index.php?topic=2735.0

Quicksilver Program #15: 85 ton Zombie OmniMech
https://www.ourbattletech.com/forum/index.php?topic=2747.0

Quicksilver Program #16: 90 ton Vampire OmniMech
https://www.ourbattletech.com/forum/index.php?topic=2752.0

Quicksilver Program #17: 95 ton Zombie OmniMech
https://www.ourbattletech.com/forum/index.php?topic=2759.0

Quicksilver Program #18: 100 ton Werewolf OmniMech
https://www.ourbattletech.com/forum/index.php?topic=2761.0

Quicksilver Program #19: 100 ton Zombie OmniMech
https://www.ourbattletech.com/forum/index.php?topic=2769.0

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