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Re: Ice Hellion Clan
« Reply #45 on: July 21, 2019, 07:21:38 AM »

Awesome, thanks Ice!
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Re: Ice Hellion Clan
« Reply #46 on: July 22, 2019, 04:10:50 PM »

Field Manual: Crusader Clans, aka 3059 (?): 6 Flurry Clusters (5 % ‘Mechs based) split in two Galaxies

Field Manual Updates, aka 3067:
Alpha Galaxy: 3 Flurry Clusters
Beta Galaxy: 2 Flurry Clusters
Delta Galaxy: 2 Flurry Clusters
Zeta Galaxy: the first to have a Flurry Cluster assigned to it with the addition of several more Trinaries, at least one to each Cluster (does this mean in addition to the first Flurry Cluster)
Zeta Prime Galaxy : 1 Flurry Cluster and 4 Flurry Trinaries assigned to the Galaxy’s 3 ‘Mech Clusters
Theta Galaxy : ?

Meaning they went from 6 to at least 10-11 Clusters.
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"In turn they tested each Clan namesake
in trial against the Ice Hellion's mettle.
Each chased the Ice Hellion, hunting it down.
All failed to match the predator's speed and grace.
Khan Cage smiled and said, "And that is how we shall be."

The Remembrance (Clan Ice Hellion) Passage 5, Verse 3, Lines 1 - 5

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Re: Ice Hellion Clan
« Reply #47 on: July 22, 2019, 05:12:28 PM »

So after 8 years they have an additional 10-11 Flurry Clusters. That is an average Flurry growth rate of 1.375 a year.

Simply rolling back 6 Flurry Clusters (FM Crusader Clans says 6) to 3050 (their date of creation) would zero us out by 3053 and that ain't right.

Casualties for large actions is probably a big wildcard as the Hellions likely faced significant counter attacks after their Fury Campaign (3050) and the Territory Wars (early 3060s) following the destruction of Smoke Jaguar, the Ghost Bear relocation, and Nova Cat abjuration would be big factors.

Acceleration could also be another factor if the Clan so deemed the creation of additional Flurry units a priority.

What would you say is a likely overall Flurry number in mid-3052? 2 or 3 Clusters??
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Re: Ice Hellion Clan
« Reply #48 on: July 23, 2019, 04:05:22 PM »

What would you say is a likely overall Flurry number in mid-3052? 2 or 3 Clusters??

They were created with an eye on being quickly operational and filled.
When do we say they were created (I couldn't find any reference)?
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"In turn they tested each Clan namesake
in trial against the Ice Hellion's mettle.
Each chased the Ice Hellion, hunting it down.
All failed to match the predator's speed and grace.
Khan Cage smiled and said, "And that is how we shall be."

The Remembrance (Clan Ice Hellion) Passage 5, Verse 3, Lines 1 - 5

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Re: Ice Hellion Clan
« Reply #49 on: July 23, 2019, 04:41:38 PM »

So, I have been doing some research on the Ice Hellion Flurry units or Flurry Clusters as it certainly has bearing here on this discussion. Here are three relevant qoutes, followed by my thoughts, and lastly my conclusions. Please discuss!!

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Field Manual: Crusader Clans - Unit Designations - page 79
For similar reasons, unit organization follows the straightforward Clan model among front-line and second-line units, with the exception of a new unit type called the Flurry. (this book page 5 is dated in universe November 19, 3059 in regards to the Flurry being a new unit)

1. This first quote from FM CC reveals that the Flurry is a new unit and that term is applicable in 3059.

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Field Manual: Crusader Clans - Flurries - page 80
The Flurry is a new type of unit created to fill a gap opened by the Hellions' Fury campaign. After that campaign's conclusion, Khan Tyler realized that he had overextended his garrison forces in attempting to hold what the Ice Hellions had taken. To compensate for this shortcoming, he commissioned several new units to be formed from whatever battle machines were available-mostly fast attack hovercraft and VTOLs, along with a few scavenged or barely battle-worthy 'Mechs. Next, Khan Tyler offered billets in the new units to all trueborns and freeborns who had failed to test out of the warrior caste. Most trueborns turned down the offer, but many freeborns accepted it. Flurry units are loose groupings of vehicles thrown together to protect an area until regular 'Mech forces arrive. Organized along the same lines as standard Clan units, Flurry units are regarded as little more than cannon fodder; consequently, only the oldest or most disgraced Clan warriors command them. To the surprise of many, some of these ad hoc units have actually begun to show signs of cohesion, even throwing back an occasional attack before the arrival of reinforcements.
Though some maintain that the creation of these units goes against Clan tradition, Khans Tyler and Taney have reassured their fellow Khans that these units will never appear alongside front-line 'Mechs or  Elementals. They exist to serve their Clan one last time, and none of their members are expected to survive for long. Currently, the Clan fields roughly six Clusters of Flurry units, divided among two Galaxies and spread throughout Ice Hellion space. Approximately five percent of these units are 'Mech forces, equipped with aging and decrepit models. The remainder are primarily fast hovercraft and VTOLs.

2. This is much meatier and may in conjunction with my next quote narrow down the establishment of the Flurry unit type. It clearly states that Khan (Stephen) Tyler founds them after the Fury campaign in an attempt to hold territory taken during said operation. These gap fillers were then staffed by the same Khan with testdowns and freeborns as a force of last resort - I'd argue Clan third-line in quality on par with Police and Watch Clusters. A very irregular group to say the least.

3. There is also noted 'surprise' and resistance (goes against Clan tradition) which is met with reassurances from 'Khans Tyler and Taney' that they will never serve alongside front-line troops. They are outfitted with subpar equipment which combined with their performance and the fact that most meet a quick death seem to win at least a grudging acceptance.

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OTP Revival Trials
Touchpoint: Londerholm - page 38 - Dated June 2, 3050
AFTERMATH
Once the Smoke Jaguar garrison troops realized the Ice Hellions were leading them to the ruins of Vostok, they approached the ruins with a caution bordering on superstition. In the driving rain, a detachment of Coyotes joined them. Unlike the Jaguars, the Coyotes harbored no such compunctions over the locale and took the battle straight to their agitators. Together the Coyotes and Jaguars pressed the attack, intending to make the Ice Hellions pay dearly for costing them territory. The Seventh and the 150th suffered high casualties, but Khan Tyler, saKhan Lienet, and several Hellions managed to slip away to their enclaves once the rain turned into torrential downpour.
Some believe the Smoke Jaguars got their ultimate vengeance in a different way. A few weeks afterward, a bandit raid on the Ice Hellions’ new Londerholm possessions killed Khan Tyler and maimed saKhan Lienet. Although proving that the Jaguars purposely leaked intelligence to bandit caste cells operating on Londerholm is difficult, the timing of the attack seems far too coincidental to ignore.

4. From this last quote we can see that the Hellions final part of Fury occurred in early June 3050 and only 'a few weeks' later Khan Tyler was killed in a bandit raid on Londerholm.

CONCLUSION
I believe this establishes the month of June 3050 (after the 2nd of that month of course) as the birthdate of the Flurries which makes sense if you look at quote 1 which nine years later still refers to them as new.

Could the creation of the Flurry units, even though it doubtlessly contributed to the defense of Hellion territories, contribute to my 'Taney Coup' theory? Doubtlessly Crusaders within the Clan were restless after being shutout of the invasion and now they have to work with 'the dregs of the warrior caste' just in order to hold onto these Homeworld gains. It must have been galling and another reason to knock Khan Stephen Tyler off and get a ristar like Asa Taney in who wants to invade; and not just settle for such lesser glory.

I want to address Quicksilver later but chew on this first guys, what do you think?
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Re: Ice Hellion Clan
« Reply #50 on: July 24, 2019, 04:15:45 PM »

Thanks for reminding me of your post Takiro.

Would 1 Cluster created every and each year be too much?
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"In turn they tested each Clan namesake
in trial against the Ice Hellion's mettle.
Each chased the Ice Hellion, hunting it down.
All failed to match the predator's speed and grace.
Khan Cage smiled and said, "And that is how we shall be."

The Remembrance (Clan Ice Hellion) Passage 5, Verse 3, Lines 1 - 5

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Re: Ice Hellion Clan
« Reply #51 on: July 24, 2019, 10:27:08 PM »

Well it would depend Ice but for some reason I think the starting number should be two Flurry Clusters in 3052. That would match up with roughly one a year. I know it is a lot to just appear out of nowhere but I think it is possible. Police Clusters, aging second liners, and perhaps new third chance warriors would be a fit here. Perhaps someone thought of this idea as a way to bolster defenses prior to the Fury campaign?
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Re: Ice Hellion Clan
« Reply #52 on: July 25, 2019, 10:23:42 AM »

A cluster a year really isn't much. Considering they are using older tech predominantly and there is tons of old SLDF equipment to choose from. Throw some freebirths into a short basic training and you could throw together a handful I believe in a year or two
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Re: Ice Hellion Clan
« Reply #53 on: July 25, 2019, 03:33:33 PM »

A cluster a year really isn't much. Considering they are using older tech predominantly and there is tons of old SLDF equipment to choose from. Throw some freebirths into a short basic training and you could throw together a handful I believe in a year or two

I agree.
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"In turn they tested each Clan namesake
in trial against the Ice Hellion's mettle.
Each chased the Ice Hellion, hunting it down.
All failed to match the predator's speed and grace.
Khan Cage smiled and said, "And that is how we shall be."

The Remembrance (Clan Ice Hellion) Passage 5, Verse 3, Lines 1 - 5

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Re: Ice Hellion Clan
« Reply #54 on: July 25, 2019, 03:58:38 PM »

Seyla, two Flurry Clusters it shall be for the Ice Hellion Clan as of our fanbook's start with another under formation and near activation. What composition should these units take on? I believe Ice Hellion had some thoughts.
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Re: Ice Hellion Clan
« Reply #55 on: July 31, 2019, 04:24:02 PM »

Seyla, two Flurry Clusters it shall be for the Ice Hellion Clan as of our fanbook's start with another under formation and near activation. What composition should these units take on? I believe Ice Hellion had some thoughts.

Yes I did.

One Cluster could be 3 Trinaries strong with only vehicles (Hover/VTOLs) except in the Command Star where you would have 2 'Mechs, 2 VTOLs and 2 Jump Infantry Points (with transportation).
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"In turn they tested each Clan namesake
in trial against the Ice Hellion's mettle.
Each chased the Ice Hellion, hunting it down.
All failed to match the predator's speed and grace.
Khan Cage smiled and said, "And that is how we shall be."

The Remembrance (Clan Ice Hellion) Passage 5, Verse 3, Lines 1 - 5

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Re: Ice Hellion Clan
« Reply #56 on: August 03, 2019, 01:24:33 PM »

Takiro, did you see my answer?
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"In turn they tested each Clan namesake
in trial against the Ice Hellion's mettle.
Each chased the Ice Hellion, hunting it down.
All failed to match the predator's speed and grace.
Khan Cage smiled and said, "And that is how we shall be."

The Remembrance (Clan Ice Hellion) Passage 5, Verse 3, Lines 1 - 5

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Re: Ice Hellion Clan
« Reply #57 on: August 03, 2019, 08:42:39 PM »

I did. Is your estimate based on any canon source or just a hunch?

Strictly my mash up would be to have the standards (3 Mech Trinaries, 1 Fighter, 1 Elemental) replaced with 3 Armor Trinaries, 1 VTOL/Conventional Air Trinary, 1 Infantry with some penny packets of Mechs for support.
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Re: Ice Hellion Clan
« Reply #58 on: August 04, 2019, 12:27:38 AM »

as per Field Manual: Crusader Clans, p. 80
A Flurry Cluster is a type of Cluster deployed by Clan Ice Hellion in the wake of the Hellion's Fury Campaign. Having succeeded in quickly acquiring territory throughout the Kerensky Cluster, Hellion Khan Tyler realized his garrisons had been spread too thinly. In order to create new commands quickly, Khan Tyler ordered the creation of Flurry Clusters, which would include a mix of fast combat vehicles (including VTOLs and hovercraft) and the rare salvaged BattleMechs and OmniMechs.
In order to raise the warriors required to form Flurry Clusters, Khan Tyler offered commissions to all Freeborns and Trueborns who had initially failed their Trial of Position. Most trueborns have declined, seeing such a position as more dishonorable than a lower-caste assignment, so Flurry Clusters tend to be made up of freeborn warriors. Flurry Clusters are commanded by bloodnamed warriors deemed too old and inept to command even a Solahma unit.
On the battlefield, Flurries must be able to rapidly respond and delay an adversary unit until regular frontline or secondline units are able to arrive. Unofficially, Flurries are meant to act as cannon fodder engaging the enemy and fighting to the death. Indeed, a warrior assigned to a Flurry is not expected to live long. Because the commanders of Flurry units are considered too undesirable even for a solahma unit, the Flurry is the last chance a Clan Ice Hellion warrior has to die honorably in battle.

so that makes Takrio right
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Re: Ice Hellion Clan
« Reply #59 on: August 04, 2019, 12:58:49 PM »

I did. Is your estimate based on any canon source or just a hunch?

Strictly my mash up would be to have the standards (3 Mech Trinaries, 1 Fighter, 1 Elemental) replaced with 3 Armor Trinaries, 1 VTOL/Conventional Air Trinary, 1 Infantry with some penny packets of Mechs for support.

Both. According to canon, 'Mechs are limited to 5% of the total forces and since we discussed about the composition, I changed my original idea to reflect our previous discussion.

As for a Conventional Air unit, I hesitated but I don't remember reading anything about the Clans using them, so I let it go.
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"In turn they tested each Clan namesake
in trial against the Ice Hellion's mettle.
Each chased the Ice Hellion, hunting it down.
All failed to match the predator's speed and grace.
Khan Cage smiled and said, "And that is how we shall be."

The Remembrance (Clan Ice Hellion) Passage 5, Verse 3, Lines 1 - 5
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