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Re: Order of Five Pillars Mechwarrior Unit
« Reply #60 on: May 10, 2019, 11:46:34 AM »

With their change in Khan do they really care what others think of them?

At most this expedities the death of the Jaguars imo and this time it will probably be at the hand of Absorption or Annihilation Trial from a Clan, especially one looking for access to an invasion corridor.

Your first thought is very relevant to the Jaguar mentally. Their 'alliances' have always been formed on the basis of their strength and right now they are weakened so other Clans are likely to be less friendly and/or intimidated by their presence. Now their new Supremacist saKhan has essentially doubled down on this mindset so I wouldn't look for them to be very diplomatic towards others.

Your second is not because if life has taught me anything - no matter how screwed up your decision making process things might just work out for you anyway. This new Supremacist mindset just might end up destroying the Sohei here and staving off any other Clan plans for them.

One of the reasons I love to play these things out and continue to get input for new concepts is so the storyline can evolve on its own. Just last week Doc Agren gave me a great idea for next year as a direct result of this battle and the saKhan battle. ;)
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Re: Order of Five Pillars Mechwarrior Unit
« Reply #61 on: May 10, 2019, 03:25:53 PM »

Just last week Doc Agren gave me a great idea for next year as a direct result of this battle and the saKhan battle. ;)

Did you get his name right this time? :P
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The Remembrance (Clan Ice Hellion) Passage 5, Verse 3, Lines 1 - 5

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Re: Order of Five Pillars Mechwarrior Unit
« Reply #62 on: May 10, 2019, 03:50:55 PM »


Your second is not because if life has taught me anything - no matter how screwed up your decision making process things might just work out for you anyway. This new Supremacist mindset just might end up destroying the Sohei here and staving off any other Clan plans for them.


Why because they beat a IS unit, if I was a Clan I'd be yea about time....Sohei is a new unit with no history behind them so no matter what they lose. The Beat them people will be like noobie unit you're expected to win. They lose its like you can't even handle a new unit that attempted to follow our ideals and you were ones with no honor.

They are becoming more isolationist then Canon harder to rebuild this way. Lots of Clans have history with the Jags and not in a good way. The wounded animal may be fierce but its still wounded.
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Re: Order of Five Pillars Mechwarrior Unit
« Reply #63 on: May 10, 2019, 04:52:43 PM »

Why because they beat a IS unit, if I was a Clan I'd be yea about time....Sohei is a new unit with no history behind them so no matter what they lose. The Beat them people will be like noobie unit you're expected to win. They lose its like you can't even handle a new unit that attempted to follow our ideals and you were ones with no honor.

Hence my video footages being sent all over the Clan space or the occupied Kuritan planets.
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The Remembrance (Clan Ice Hellion) Passage 5, Verse 3, Lines 1 - 5

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Re: Order of Five Pillars Mechwarrior Unit
« Reply #64 on: May 10, 2019, 05:46:04 PM »

InnerSphere lies and deceptions! [FAKE NEWS!!]

As for the Jags being a wounded animal - I agree and isn't that when an animal is at its most dangerous?? ;)
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Re: Order of Five Pillars Mechwarrior Unit
« Reply #65 on: May 11, 2019, 04:17:19 PM »

InnerSphere lies and deceptions! [FAKE NEWS!!]

As for the Jags being a wounded animal - I agree and isn't that when an animal is at its most dangerous?? ;)

And also the less clever or the most straightforward.
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Each chased the Ice Hellion, hunting it down.
All failed to match the predator's speed and grace.
Khan Cage smiled and said, "And that is how we shall be."

The Remembrance (Clan Ice Hellion) Passage 5, Verse 3, Lines 1 - 5

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Re: Order of Five Pillars Mechwarrior Unit
« Reply #66 on: May 12, 2019, 05:14:17 AM »

Your not wrong. I am gonna sit down with Gus and Bradshaw in this case to determine what course of action the Jags take on Rockland while at the same time going over the Sohei with Doc Agren, Ice Hellion, Daryk, and Sharpnel. I really wanna see what you guys think is the best course of action on Rockland going forward. Should be fun!
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Re: Order of Five Pillars Mechwarrior Unit
« Reply #67 on: December 27, 2019, 09:48:22 AM »

In our next phase of this battle we look skyward to the aerospace contingents. Love to hear what you folks think about this situation as it develops.

Clan fighters intent on securing aerospace supremacy attack en masse as the initial Trial goes from orderly zell like affair to a Jaguar kill the bandits affair. With InnerSphere forces now lacking any honorable status, by order of their commander, what so ever what do you think happens.

I should inform you all that Clan aerospace forces are not laden with bombs and are in full out pursuit of the Draconis bandits. Outnumbering the female Draconis pilots five to three the Jaguars look to seize the early initiative.

Attacker: Clan Smoke Jaguar

Psi Galaxy Command Trinary
   Charlie Command Star (Clan Veteran)
Star Captain August Furste, Elite, Kirghiz
Pilot Yinza, Veteran, Hydaspes
Point Commander Inazre, Veteran, Hydaspes
Pilot Cerndal, Regular, Hydaspes
Point Commander Vadro, Veteran, Xerxes
Pilot Nakhesi, Regular, Xerxes
Point Commander Zaesh, Veteran, Xerxes
Pilot Ghaset, Regular, Xerxes
Point Commander Rydric, Veteran, Tyre
Pilot Sindrol, Regular, Tyre
   Heavier fighters like the Xerxes make up this Aerospace Command Star for the Smoke Jaguars. While slower than their brethren the pilots of this star are more skilled at establishing air superiority over their opponents. Commanded by Star Captain August Furste, the aide to Galaxy Commander Frederick Ott, this trueborn Aerospace Pilot is a disgraced veteran of the invasion. Shot down over Tukayyid and forced to eject he has worked hard to earn his way back to front line service.

10th Provisional Garrison Cluster
   Rogue Fighter Star (Clan Regular)
Star Commander Lobe, Veteran, Tomahawk C
Pilot Dreven, Regular, Tomahawk C
Point Commander Natas, Veteran, Issus
Pilot Zimo, Regular, Issus
Point Commander Arora, Veteran, Chaeronea (ER PPC)
Pilot Vozen, Green, Chaeronea (ER PPC)
Point Commander Killian, Regular, Chaeronea (4 ER Mediums plus two tons of armor)
Pilot Belinda, Green, Chaeronea (4 ER Mediums plus two tons of armor)
Point Commander Damien, Regular, Swift C
Pilot Ayda, Green, Swift C
   Lighter weight interceptors which can rapidly respond to new threats like raiders make up this Rogue Fighter Star for the 10th PGC. While only rated at Clan Regular skill level they excel at these trans atmospheric intercepts. Older than their counterparts and most always stuck in second line units these pilots know their role in the Jaguar touman.

Defender: Tennyo

      Flight 1
   1st Lance
Noriki Sorenson, Elite, Slayer [Takiro] {Flight Commander}
Nana Yamada, Elite, Slayer [Takiro]
   2nd Lance
Shizukana Kaze, Elite, Stuka [Bradshaw] {Lance Commander}
Ju Juan, Veteran, TR-13A Transgressor [Bradshaw]
   3rd Lance
Zuzanne ‘Būmubūmu’ Agnika, Elite, D36b Thunderbird [Doc_Agren] {Lance Commander}
Mariah ‘Pikushī’ Cassetti, Regular, D46 Thunderbird [Doc_Agren]
      Flight 2
   1st Lance
Cecilia Utchakov, Elite, SL-17R Shilone [Takiro] {Flight Commander}
Donna Black, Elite, TR-16 Transgressor [Takiro]
   2nd Lance
Haruka Uehara, Elite, SL-25 Samurai [Sharpnel] {Lance Commander}
Asuka Uehara, Elite, SL-25 Samurai [Sharpnel]
   3rd Lance
Yoko Kijo, Veteran, S-4 Sai [Ice Hellion] {Lance Commander}
Kim Mi Sun, Veteran, S-4 Sai [Doc_Agren]
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Re: Order of Five Pillars Mechwarrior Unit
« Reply #68 on: December 27, 2019, 12:08:11 PM »

It doesn't look like the Sohei are going to win this as they are outnumbered and outgunned.
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Re: Order of Five Pillars Mechwarrior Unit
« Reply #69 on: December 27, 2019, 07:22:56 PM »

It doesn't look like the Sohei are going to win this as they are outnumbered and outgunned.

Gonna be tough bud. Two ideas I have is to go up and get support from the two Achilles in orbit or go down and get some AA to help you out. Either way is tough.
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Re: Order of Five Pillars Mechwarrior Unit
« Reply #70 on: May 23, 2020, 07:46:20 PM »

Finally finished my written summary of the aerospace clash in orbit of Rockland and it's bad folks. Special thanks to Bradshaw who plugged these forces into MegaMek to slug it out. We did it a few times and I'll let you read the resulting carnage which is my attempt to combine it all. Big question for you guys is what do you think can be recovered in regards to pilots and craft. Let me know and I hope you enjoy the summary.

The Sacrifice of Angels

The lighter craft of Rogue Fighter Star from the 10th Provisional Garrison Cluster outpaced their heavier comrades from Psi Galaxy Charlie Command Star in typical Smoke Jaguar fashion intent on capturing glory. Some of the Jaguars were so overzealous and reckless in their high-speed approaches that they failed to maintain control of their craft. While everyone managed to recover prior to the start of the actual engagement it was an omen of things to come. Distant volleys by Clan fighters began the combat and were responded to in kind by Gauss slugs from the Draconis Dropships that quickly revealed their upgraded nature.

The first victory of the battle went to Yoko Kijo and the Fukuryu who skillfully coordinated one of the first attacks on Pilot Ayda and her Swift C. These dishonorable tactics only seemed to further incense the Smoke Jaguar pilots who mercilessly combined fire themselves for the rest of the engagement on the Tennyo. Both Sais of the Tennyo’s Second Flight Third Lance became the focus of this ruthless fury with Kim Mi Sun’s fighter rapidly taking many long-range strikes quickly neutralizing it for the rest of the engagement.

Attempts to punish the Fukuryu were not as successful as Point Commander Natas discovered when he was annihilated in his Issus approaching the massive Achilles. This appeared alter the Jaguars early targets to the Tennyo rather than the Dropships which they had run to for support. Dogfights erupted around these mammoths as Clan pilots tried to maintain space while eliminating the Kuritan fighters. The range of their weaponry helped the Jaguars separate the Draconis pilots from their Dropship escorts. 

A deadly dance ensued at the edge of the Achilles range where the Tennyo and Jaguar AeroFighters would duel for supremacy. The Clansman using their superior weapons whittled down the Draconis fighters despite their discipline and teamwork. The resulting clash would see ten Jaguars destroyed (Lobe, Killian, Belinda, Damien, Cerndal, Nakhesi, Zaesh, Ghaset, Rydric, Sindrol) at the cost of the remaining eleven Tennyo (Noriki Sorenson, Nana Yamada, Shizukana Kaze, Ju Juan, Zuzanne Agnika, Mariah Cassetti, Cecilia Utchakov, Donna Black, Haruka Uehara, Asuka Uehara, Yoko Kijo) leaving only the two Kurita Dropships operational.

Following the destruction of the last Draconis aerospace fighter the remaining nine Jaguars pounced on the more damaged Yakaze attempting to bring it down. However, the death of Star Captain August Furste in a burst of LRM fire from the Yakaze proved this would not be an easy task. The Clan pilots were not to be easily deterred as they all a made for the damaged Achilles virtually ignoring its sister ship. This allowed the Fukuryu to wipe out Point Commander Inazre and Pilot Ghaset in their assault fighters. Another pass cost the Jags Pilot Dreven, Point Commander Arora and finally Point Commander Inazre before they apparently thought better of it. 

Point Commander Vadro called an end to the battle with damage mounting and just four Jaguar fighters remaining. The Jaguars would control the skies even if they could not break the Dragon’s orbital blockade. Their repeated assaults had left the Yakaze barely operational and both Draconis dropships low on ammo. While this pyrrhic war had left both sides devastated the silver lining for the Dragon was their ability to recover downed pilots and salvage various fighters. Kuritan Small Craft not only saved their own wounded but retrieved several prisoners of war as well.
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Re: Order of Five Pillars Mechwarrior Unit
« Reply #71 on: May 24, 2020, 12:49:43 AM »

It seems our pilots were not good enough or the Smoke Jaguars were not that bad after all.

Big question for you guys is what do you think can be recovered in regards to pilots and craft. Let me know and I hope you enjoy the summary.

Sir, requesting more information on how the Fighters were damaged, Sir.
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Each chased the Ice Hellion, hunting it down.
All failed to match the predator's speed and grace.
Khan Cage smiled and said, "And that is how we shall be."

The Remembrance (Clan Ice Hellion) Passage 5, Verse 3, Lines 1 - 5

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Re: Order of Five Pillars Mechwarrior Unit
« Reply #72 on: May 24, 2020, 01:43:13 AM »

So, we no longer have an Aerospace element? We got our asses kicked.
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Re: Order of Five Pillars Mechwarrior Unit
« Reply #73 on: May 24, 2020, 07:14:34 AM »

As previously posted above 20 Clan Fighters versus 12 InnerSphere Fighters was a lopsided matchup. While I feel that there is more parity between forces here then anywhere else the Jags were pretty solid with a number of factors. Numbers is one, tech superiority is another with range and firepower going to their side by a huge margin and then there is skill rating. Remembering a Clan Green is equal to an InnerSphere Regular and so on the Tennyo's experience factor was somewhat negated. MegaMek did factor in tactics to its simulation as well with Jag aggression reflected in their reckless behavior and singular attack nature at least early on. The Tennyo and the Dropships worked as an effective team with discipline on the other hand. Unfortunately Clan stuff is just very good and sadly they were outnumbered at this time.

Currently Abele the Sohei have no active aerospace fighters but maintain orbital control thanks to the Achilles. Recovery operations are currently under way as we are discussing that. The Jags have four fighters in bad shape returning to surface. They will likely control the sky not factoring in the Sohei's conventional air forces.
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Re: Order of Five Pillars Mechwarrior Unit
« Reply #74 on: May 24, 2020, 04:59:39 PM »

Numbers is one, tech superiority is another with range and firepower going to their side by a huge margin and then there is skill rating. Remembering a Clan Green is equal to an InnerSphere Regular and so on the Tennyo's experience factor was somewhat negated.

For all of them, this is why BV is there but in a campaign, things go in a different direction.

Let's say that I could agree with the first two but I remember reading that unlike on ground, the differences in skill between Clan and the Inner Sphere pilots was not that high (if only I could remember where I read that).
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"In turn they tested each Clan namesake
in trial against the Ice Hellion's mettle.
Each chased the Ice Hellion, hunting it down.
All failed to match the predator's speed and grace.
Khan Cage smiled and said, "And that is how we shall be."

The Remembrance (Clan Ice Hellion) Passage 5, Verse 3, Lines 1 - 5
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