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Re: BTSD The Reboot?!
« Reply #45 on: March 12, 2021, 12:18:08 AM »

Hey guys, managed to crawl back to this board after many years a little wiser and lot more jaded. Following along your conversation here, I think the real problem is that if we want to continue to do projects like BTSD or other alternate timelines set in early Succession Wars period, we have to ignore a lot of the canon that has been written on the subject. No offense meant to the authors of all the Historicals covering the period from 2764-2864, but those books managed to destroy a lot of mystique of the subject matter they covered. Not only did a lot of those works manage to contradict earlier source material (a retcon by any other name), they were very dry in how they covered a conflicts, and the order of battles for the armies were very unimaginative. I remember reading a comment by Herb many years ago along the lines that this only made sense because the Star League was as 'boring as a church', and those units were only as interesting as when they finally were destroyed. It was something along those lines, very condescending in tone and made me wonder why so much ink was split if that was the view of the creative staff.

Okay, maybe I do mean some offense to those guys. It's been a hard year.


Let's put it in these terms. In the past decade, BT has gone from a setting that went from 'quirky, but functional' to desperately needing a reboot to make the setting work again on any level. Official BT is simply not much fun these days, and anything we could come up with could not be much worse than the bland, heavily regulated product that manages to jettison all of the cool little features that gave the story its charm while seeming to maintain illogical rules that even the developers themselves hate but will not overturn.


What I'm saying is, if we were to try something like this again we need to do something because it broadly fits into what made old-school BT awesome, but works for us with all of the developments we have experienced in the past couple of decades.

As an aside, my opinion is Empires Aflame was the best product put out by CGL in the past decade in part because it played with the rules a little more loosely, and even the writers seemed to have more fun with it. Too bad they seemed to not have really learned anything from it and if anything doubled-down once they went back to canon.
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Re: BTSD The Reboot?!
« Reply #46 on: March 12, 2021, 08:08:45 AM »

Its great hearing from you again FSL!

The 'fun factor' is a great point. I get weighed down in the details too often myself nowadays and don't broad stroke enough. I always thought Empires Aflame was inspired by Shattered Dawn and all the great work we did!  ;)

I agree with your comments about the 'new' Historicals destroying the mystique of the BattleTech setting as presented in the original Sourcebooks. The year of the Star League did much to suck the life out of the setting for me. Not all bad mind you and some of the major points made I'd love to incorporate. I actually love the Amaris 'election' and Terran support for him as the Camerons had grown tiresome. At the other end of the spectrum there was the House warship limit which made absolutely no sense.

Field Manual SLDF was the worst offender I think which is a shame cause it had so much promise. While a lack of action is noted during this Golden Age I think it missed on several areas. One, the creation and progression of each unit as they grew from either Terran or multinational roots into their SLDF height. Two, while battle history would be impossible for some what were these constabulary forces doing which could then highlight how was their sector of space different at this time as opposed to now. Three, mercenaries or at least their opinion of - while eluded to at times had to be at an all time low among the SLDF. This highly professional near omnipresent peacekeeping force (SLDF) probably had enough trouble with House units, local militias, and pirates at this time. Mercenaries were likely despised as dangerous radicals. You can also hit on how the SLDF had its hands tied, garrison arrangements with the Great Houses could vary wildly, etc.  Herb did a great job especially with detailing the Jihad but I felt like this (FM SLDF) was 'work' to him. Sheer unenjoyable drudgery. I think it showed through in the writing.

https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Field_Manual:_SLDF

While I hate the unimaginative 'reboot' of just about everything today (just leave some of the great stuff of yesteryear alone please) I think BattleTech could really thrive on such things. That is why I love the alternate timelines of BattleTech cause at its core it is a fantastic setting.

Great hearing from you again old friend! Hope you will keep on posting away.  ;D
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Re: BTSD The Reboot?!
« Reply #47 on: March 14, 2021, 07:28:17 AM »

As an option you guys should just come up with a free image of the story from the Star League itself like right after the reunification War.
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Re: BTSD The Reboot?!
« Reply #48 on: March 14, 2021, 09:09:10 AM »

Well today has shown me two things:-

1 - I need to come on here more often.

2 - I think this is a great idea, either restarting the project where it was left off or starting again from just after the end of the RW would be good.
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« Reply #49 on: March 14, 2021, 09:49:26 AM »

Good seeing again Six! Please stop bye more often. ;)

We had considered a Reunification War Supplemental and Naval TRO long ago during the Year of the Star League. Further new canon developments during that time squashed those plans but we do have some initial work complete.

As FirstStarLord has kind of brought this all back to the surface again and as I am now hooked on For All Mankind on AppleTV would you guys consider my initial 3025 Terran Sourcebook? That would be a fun alternate right up I think.
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Re: BTSD The Reboot?!
« Reply #50 on: March 14, 2021, 10:07:09 AM »

A time jump for the SD universe to 3025 sounds good, are you thinking just the TH for now or just the TH?
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Re: BTSD The Reboot?!
« Reply #51 on: March 14, 2021, 10:37:17 AM »

Originally when I developed the idea it would have been a Terran Sourcebook set in 3025 based on the old FASA House Sourcebooks.

The details of the 1st Succession War dragged me into Fanbook 01 - Field Manual Terran Republic 2785.
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« Reply #52 on: March 14, 2021, 10:53:15 AM »

Based on the old cover image (dating back to 2004!) I generated what I would use today, enjoy!
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Re: BTSD The Reboot?!
« Reply #53 on: March 14, 2021, 10:55:44 AM »

Originally when I developed the idea it would have been a Terran Sourcebook set in 3025 based on the old FASA House Sourcebooks.

The details of the 1st Succession War dragged me into Fanbook 01 - Field Manual Terran Republic 2785.

Sounds like a good idea, would you consider doing the remainder of the inner sphere if it is a success?
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« Reply #54 on: March 14, 2021, 10:57:37 AM »

First priority would be the Periphery not the InnerSphere. Irose in particular has done so much written work that we haven't published it would only be fair that a more fleshed out Periphery Sourcebook would be next.
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Re: BTSD The Reboot?!
« Reply #55 on: March 14, 2021, 11:33:02 AM »

Makes sense.

I'm interested to see if, from the starting point any of the Circinus Federation, Lothian League and Marian Hegemony have still come into existence.
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« Reply #56 on: March 14, 2021, 01:57:13 PM »

One of the shortcomings of the original Periphery Sourcebook was the of Succession War history. This is where we would fill in the holes on the major Periphery states.

The Lothian League has its roots before Succession Wars i believe.
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« Reply #57 on: March 14, 2021, 02:06:16 PM »

One of the shortcomings of the original Periphery Sourcebook was the of Succession War history. This is where we would fill in the holes on the major Periphery states.

The Lothian League has its roots before Succession Wars i believe.

Yes, without checking my memory says refugees from the Taurian Concordat during the reunification war.

But the SD Map only shows Lothero and not the rest of the League.
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Re: BTSD The Reboot?!
« Reply #58 on: March 14, 2021, 02:17:26 PM »

One of the shortcomings of the original Periphery Sourcebook was the of Succession War history. This is where we would fill in the holes on the major Periphery states.

That was also a shortcoming of the later periphery books. 

I’m game for doing this. But be advised I will be ignoring a lot of fm:periphery 2765 and the 1st and 2nd SW books.  Otherwise the TC will be the strongest faction in Human Space. (No seriously 1st SW  took everything we had been told about how the SL kept the periphery states down and how they quickly collapsed at the start of the SW and threw it out. )
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Re: BTSD The Reboot?!
« Reply #59 on: March 14, 2021, 02:53:07 PM »

One of the shortcomings of the original Periphery Sourcebook was the of Succession War history. This is where we would fill in the holes on the major Periphery states.

That was also a shortcoming of the later periphery books. 

I’m game for doing this. But be advised I will be ignoring a lot of fm:periphery 2765 and the 1st and 2nd SW books.  Otherwise the TC will be the strongest faction in Human Space. (No seriously 1st SW  took everything we had been told about how the SL kept the periphery states down and how they quickly collapsed at the start of the SW and threw it out. )

Excellent, how many periphery nations are there by 3025? Or is it to early to tell?
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