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Re: BTSD The Reboot?!
« Reply #75 on: March 20, 2021, 01:04:47 PM »

The Rim Worlds are always a good topic to expand upon. A lot of wiggle room there.
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Re: BTSD The Reboot?!
« Reply #76 on: March 20, 2021, 01:17:32 PM »

I am actually talking this over with Irose now and we are getting some pretty good concepts going.

Would anyone like to help on the effort?
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Re: BTSD The Reboot?!
« Reply #77 on: March 20, 2021, 01:18:40 PM »

I am actually talking this over with Irose now and we are getting some pretty good concepts going.

Would anyone like to help on the effort?

Yeah.
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Re: BTSD The Reboot?!
« Reply #78 on: March 26, 2021, 07:32:36 AM »

Just an update for everyone, Irose and I have been working on Outworlds Alliance stuff this week while I've been reviewing the first history section of the old Terran Sourcebook. Love to hear any suggestions or questions you might have on the Shattered Dawn reboot.
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Re: BTSD The Reboot?!
« Reply #79 on: March 26, 2021, 08:51:44 PM »

Other than the Rim how much can the Periphery really change? SW1 is still going to strangle them even if they swallow their pride and try to do trade with Terra there are hundreds of LY between them and houses starved for JS will never hesitate to snap up a Periphery ship.

Even with a milder SW1 and a changed SW2 the Periphery is F***ed.
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Re: BTSD The Reboot?!
« Reply #80 on: March 26, 2021, 09:01:19 PM »

Can't argue with everyone not being screwed royally but I think a few factors will make for some important changes in the Shattered Dawn 3025 era. ;)
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Re: BTSD The Reboot?!
« Reply #81 on: March 26, 2021, 09:20:06 PM »

No doubt having the industrial heartland of the galaxy "merely" bombed back to the bronze age rather than the stone age should have some positive side effects that trickle all the way into the outback.
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Re: BTSD The Reboot?!
« Reply #82 on: March 26, 2021, 09:37:56 PM »

Other than the Rim how much can the Periphery really change? SW1 is still going to strangle them even if they swallow their pride and try to do trade with Terra there are hundreds of LY between them and houses starved for JS will never hesitate to snap up a Periphery ship.

Even with a milder SW1 and a changed SW2 the Periphery is F***ed.

Interesting fact- the world which had the fewest worlds lost/depopulated in the 1st Succession War- the Magistracy of Canopus with 0 worlds lost.  The 2nd fewest a tie between the Taurian Concordat and the FWL with 3.  So for all of the talk about the Periphery being completely dependent on the IS for water purification and fusion plant parts the loss of trade did not lead to the loss of many worlds (other then in the OWA). 

One of the things I loved about the first periphery book was that the introduction talks about all the generalizations about the periphery- they are backwards, low tech worlds, little industry, poorly education and filled with pirates- then as we start to read about the periphery we get a different story.  The TC is well educated and has significant industry.  The MOC has some of the best medical capabilities in known space.  The Space Amish have some of the finest aerospace forces anywhere.  We have brutal pirates like Redjack Ryan but then we have the Marians. 
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Re: BTSD The Reboot?!
« Reply #83 on: March 27, 2021, 12:09:18 AM »

Converssely, the Outw0rlds alliance lost over 100 worlds in a relatively short period of time due to the loss of technology and conquest by the Dracs and Fedrats.
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Re: BTSD The Reboot?!
« Reply #84 on: March 27, 2021, 07:49:08 AM »

Converssely, the Outw0rlds alliance lost over 100 worlds in a relatively short period of time due to the loss of technology and conquest by the Dracs and Fedrats.

The OWA lost 30 worlds during the 1st SW - 14 to famine, 4 to disease and 12 to other disasters.  By the end of the 3rd SW they had lost over 100 worlds - some to seccession, some to abandonment.  No OWA worlds were captured by the FS or DC. 
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Re: BTSD The Reboot?!
« Reply #85 on: March 27, 2021, 09:10:09 AM »

No point for the Federated Suns all it would do would extend the border with the Dracs for no real strategic gains.

Lost worlds during the Age of War, I think, but haven't read up on the OWA since the 90s
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Re: BTSD The Reboot?!
« Reply #86 on: March 27, 2021, 11:27:38 AM »

No point for the Federated Suns all it would do would extend the border with the Dracs for no real strategic gains.

Lost worlds during the Age of War, I think, but haven't read up on the OWA since the 90s

Both the Suns and the Combine took/were given worlds during the RW but nothing during the SW's, unless things unfold differently in the BTSD universe.
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Re: BTSD The Reboot?!
« Reply #87 on: April 21, 2021, 11:55:28 PM »

Worlds in the Periphery are normally defined by two points: First, they are very far away from Terra. Secondly they tend to be very underpopulated. A periphery world is often a backwards pirate's nest in large part because there is not enough people living there to build or maintain significant infrastructure. There is also some mention in canon that the farther you get from Terra, the number of worlds with ideal Earth-like conditions drop considerably, making it hard to build a mini-empire when you might have only one bread-basket world out of a hundred, and few jumpships to transport goods around on a reliable basis. So it makes sense the Successor State rarely muck around there despite their tremendous might and the potential opportunity to find a resource-rich world to exploit; it is just too costly in most cases to even throw a single mech lance at it.
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Re: BTSD The Reboot?!
« Reply #88 on: April 22, 2021, 04:50:59 PM »

Worlds in the Periphery are normally defined by two points: First, they are very far away from Terra. Secondly they tend to be very underpopulated. A periphery world is often a backwards pirate's nest in large part because there is not enough people living there to build or maintain significant infrastructure. There is also some mention in canon that the farther you get from Terra, the number of worlds with ideal Earth-like conditions drop considerably, making it hard to build a mini-empire when you might have only one bread-basket world out of a hundred, and few jumpships to transport goods around on a reliable basis. So it makes sense the Successor State rarely muck around there despite their tremendous might and the potential opportunity to find a resource-rich world to exploit; it is just too costly in most cases to even throw a single mech lance at it.

Very true FirstStarLord, by definition the Periphery is the edge of human settled space usually but not always some 500 light years from Terra and yes because of this remoteness it has less folks than the InnerSphere.

On Earth-like conditions which is a subject hit on with the Clan Homeworlds I think it has to do with colonization efforts and settlement. I think continual support from Earth and other systems helped maintain the ecology of planets which was damaged during the Succession Wars as combat took its toll either directly or indirectly (lack of jumpships). Conditions went from ideal to sustainable making life harder and harder.
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Re: BTSD The Reboot?!
« Reply #89 on: May 05, 2021, 12:10:28 AM »

Worlds in the Periphery are normally defined by two points: First, they are very far away from Terra. Secondly they tend to be very underpopulated. A periphery world is often a backwards pirate's nest in large part because there is not enough people living there to build or maintain significant infrastructure. There is also some mention in canon that the farther you get from Terra, the number of worlds with ideal Earth-like conditions drop considerably, making it hard to build a mini-empire when you might have only one bread-basket world out of a hundred, and few jumpships to transport goods around on a reliable basis. So it makes sense the Successor State rarely muck around there despite their tremendous might and the potential opportunity to find a resource-rich world to exploit; it is just too costly in most cases to even throw a single mech lance at it.

Very true FirstStarLord, by definition the Periphery is the edge of human settled space usually but not always some 500 light years from Terra and yes because of this remoteness it has less folks than the InnerSphere.

On Earth-like conditions which is a subject hit on with the Clan Homeworlds I think it has to do with colonization efforts and settlement. I think continual support from Earth and other systems helped maintain the ecology of planets which was damaged during the Succession Wars as combat took its toll either directly or indirectly (lack of jumpships). Conditions went from ideal to sustainable making life harder and harder.

The ecology issue is tied into a number of factors. I did the number crunching years ago, but the worlds settled earliest by humans tended to be the ones that weathered the decay of the Succession Wars most successfully. Part of that was because they had better infrastructure that could support large populations, but that infrastructure was possible because those worlds had originally attracted more people due to their pleasant Earth-like climates. Tarsus is a good example of that paradigm in the Periphery, but there seem to be very few others in that region, and this is despite thousands of expeditions scouting tens of thousands of star systems beyond the borders of the Inner Sphere.

Was it not mentioned in some of the earlier sourcebooks about the Clans that Kerensky had bypassed a number of better options to settle on the Pentagon worlds for reasons no one but he truly understood? It does not seem like he was going to find some paradise like New Avalon or Donegal in the stretches of the Deep Periphery, even if he wanted to.
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