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Re: Shattered dawn storyline?
« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2017, 12:11:12 PM »
The Terran Republic was the primary facilitator of the Federated Commonwealth alliance aligned against the Concord of Kapetyn. You can imagine the 4th Succession War I assume. ;)

The sixth employer of the Wolf Dragoons was the Terran Republic who gave them the planet of Outreach as a holdfast for their service. Again see the similarities but there are subtle differences.

Again I'd like to not comment on the "Clan Invasion" maybe we will one day but not now.

I never loved sub capital weapons, I was just going to have other capital weapons which could fit on dropships adapted to do so. No reason not to. Yes new innovations would also occur as indicate. Not super Star League high tech but common sense Level 1 upgrades.

In regards to cost modifiers I figure they decline after a while say end of the 1st Succession War. As they proliferate the cost and technical knowledge spreads out.

Star League (Level 2) tech is as in canon LosTech. Examples remain here and there but they are rare and hard to impossible to fix until the Helm Memory Core that is....
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Re: Shattered dawn storyline?
« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2017, 01:37:10 PM »
Well if the Concord was signed first I doubt they would be caught with their pants quite that far down. Also the chain of events leading up to Mad Max vs Hanse and the Dragon vs the Wolf seems unlikely to repeat too closely. The TR had better have thrown it's hat into one of those blocks because both of them would have been mortal threats.

So the Dragoons still got Outreach, that is quite a prize for a much smaller TR to hand out compared to the victory bloated FC, although Outreach would have been picked much cleaner considering that the remaining SLDF troops signed on with the TR to become the HAF would have knowledge about the place.

The loss of high tech would make the IS much weaker (certainly no Tukkayid without the SL-teched ComGuards) although if the TR manufacturing base survived and was kept running volume might compensate somewhat for that even if most of the produce was burned in the SWs. I suspect the TR civil war was hard on the advanced techbase.

Nothing like a pair of NAC30 spinal mounted on a DS to ruin the day of most WS captains (except perhaps a volley of nukes but nothing can beat that...), anything but the all mL disco ball of insta-death that the DS design regs direct you towards.
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Re: Shattered dawn storyline?
« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2017, 04:29:09 PM »
As the 3000s dawn the Terran Republic leadership comes to a realization that it can not continue with the status quo. New techniques such as asteroid mining have mitigated the resource exhaustion that Terra continually deals with but if something ain't done soon the Republic will eventually collapse. So they facilitate Archon Katrina's Peace Proposal and negotiations with Hanse Davion. Both Houses are their natural allies in any event. So the Federated Commonwealth works.

The chain of events is different certainly but often times as we see with other alternate universes, characters you know do what they do and different stuff happens but you can see the similarities.

The Civil War was bad and the Terrans want you to think it was worse. As they rebuild they start hiding certain precious technology that would be destroyed in the next war. While still the highest tech realm they don't seem that much better off then the other Houses and often they share tech for resources. This and their neutral stance which takes hold over the 2nd and is entrenched by the 3rd Succession War helps them become the arbiter that the Hegemony once was. Of course they don't claim the First Lordship as the other Houses do but darn it all no one else can either. ;)

Exactly, larger Mammoth and Behemoth sized craft could mount such capital weapons aside from missiles. I think they'd be pretty cool. If warships continue on you might see them converted to Carriers not just of Aerospace Fighters but for Gunboats.
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Re: Shattered dawn storyline?
« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2017, 07:59:52 PM »
If the TR is in on the kill there is one very tempting world just across the border, Irian - unless it was nuked along the way. Also the Arkab worlds along the DC border are tempting to break lose and form into a client state.

The Megaliths and Revenants would certainly fit into that vision space combat. Perhaps a revived SCS style ship able to support extended deployments... Around 1Mt, HPG, 18 DC & and an ASF regiment for protection, grav decks and supplies to support 3 DS squadrons in hostile territory - perhaps even a small repair dock. The cost would be astronomical though but to deploy such capabilities against someone lacking a response would be devastating.

Not sure about using the largest DSs types though, armoring them becomes an issue with the massive squeeze effect of the SI tied armor limit on DSs. The natural breakpoint seems to be <35kt. Perhaps something could even be done with ships <20kt
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Re: Shattered dawn storyline?
« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2017, 08:24:08 PM »
Well there is a very different fifth Military District created by the Draconis Combine which we were eluding to early in the 1st Succession War. Might be hard to break them of from the Dragon however. Irian is always a good target but don't forget Tikonov. ;)

Well most large shipyards (500k ton or more capacity) were damaged or destroyed during the wars just as in canon. I doubt anyone could try to build a warship larger than half a million tons.
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Re: Shattered dawn storyline?
« Reply #20 on: February 09, 2017, 09:35:20 AM »
Grabbing Tikonov after formally renouncing all claims to it isn't very nice. I assume relations with the CC had hit rock bottom for something like that to happen, it certainly makes peaceful coexistence impossible in the future.
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Re: Shattered dawn storyline?
« Reply #21 on: February 09, 2017, 10:28:55 PM »
The Federated Suns renounced all claims to Tikonov? ;)
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« Reply #22 on: February 10, 2017, 03:50:43 AM »
No the TR did at it's formation in the treaty with the CC. The FS would naturally have no issue with grabbing as much ground as possible and damn the consequences.
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Re: Shattered dawn storyline?
« Reply #23 on: February 10, 2017, 04:11:28 PM »
The 4th Succession War is laid out in big bold strokes but the Republic doesn't claim new territories they liberate lands from oppressive regimes like Maximillian Liao's.
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Re: Shattered dawn storyline?
« Reply #24 on: February 10, 2017, 06:04:35 PM »
So the TR did take a bite out of their opponents?

How did the IS end up after SW-IV? It seems hard for a formal union like the Fed-Com to form with the TR stuck in the middle and a triple PU would require some sophisticated marriage arrangements.  ;D
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« Reply #25 on: February 11, 2017, 09:44:32 PM »
Any marriage requires sophisticated arrangements! ;)
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Re: Shattered dawn storyline?
« Reply #26 on: February 13, 2017, 11:25:34 AM »
Do the TR ever sign formal peace treaties with the FWL & DC? You mentioned that they essentially went back to a TA/TH stance but it is a bit hard to maintain a neutral stance when 2 of the 5 SS have DoWed you. C* was able to take a somewhat neutral stance because everyone recognized it, the TR would have trouble slipping into the same shoes.
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Re: Shattered dawn storyline?
« Reply #27 on: February 13, 2017, 04:25:14 PM »
The Free Worlds League, yes. The Combine never does.

The Succession Wars are about becoming the First Lord of the Star League. Since the Republic does not have any claim, defends its territories fiercely, and eventually actively promotes the fact that any of the Great Houses who manage to secure the agreement of the others will become the acknowledged First Lord even the Combine essentially forgets about them. Better to beat your competitors then someone keeping your throne ready. ;)
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Re: Shattered dawn storyline?
« Reply #28 on: March 01, 2017, 07:38:53 PM »
How long, roughly, did the Terran civil war last?
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Re: Shattered dawn storyline?
« Reply #29 on: March 02, 2017, 12:40:37 PM »
I'll check my time line at the end of the 1st Succession War again. 2 years I believe.

Yes indeed, 2819 to 2821 is the Terran Civil War. Sinclair vs Collins. Actually much of it instigated by Toyama to cover up his murder of Jerome Blake. While defeated in the Republic the so-called Loyalists flee to the Rim Protectorate overthrowing their Terran overlords.
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