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Re: The Exodus Redux
« Reply #30 on: September 22, 2021, 04:31:31 PM »
Quote from: Ice Hellion on September 22, 2021, 04:14:02 PM


Why would they defect if there still has a Terran Hegemony or a Cameron?

Because there is no Star League- if you grew up in the DC (which has withdrawn/refused to acknowledge the SL lead by the TR) are you going to fight against your countrymen? Was SL indoctrination so good that you continue to fight for the SLDF against your home?  Or what if you are from the CC and they are attacked by the FWL- are you going to sit by the side or are you going to aid in the defense of your home land?  Soldiers from the FS would surely go to their nations aid when it is attacked by the DC- especially if the SLDF says they are not going to get involved but rather protect the TR.
 
I think if the SL had survived the Coup then the situation would be different, but having fallen I think a lot of the SLDF troops would have eventually left to fight for their home nations.
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Re: The Exodus Redux
« Reply #31 on: September 22, 2021, 06:02:55 PM »
Quote from: Ice Hellion on September 22, 2021, 04:15:31 PM
This makes me eager to create a French Corps with Marshal Ney, the Foreign Legion units...

Didn't we tackle this in Mercenary Guild?
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Re: The Exodus Redux
« Reply #32 on: September 22, 2021, 10:49:37 PM »
I really need to reread your original sourcebooks
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Re: The Exodus Redux
« Reply #33 on: September 23, 2021, 03:53:28 PM »
Quote from: Bradshaw on September 22, 2021, 10:49:37 PM
I really need to reread your original sourcebooks

Always a good idea!

Did some more admittedly quick research courtesy of sarna.net on SLDF Exodus Infantry and Jump Infantry Divisions. Nicknames in (), followed by pre-war stations, and interesting notes in []. Any units with (?) I have to do further research on.

Infantry Commands
11th Infantry Division (?) Draconis Combine
14th Infantry Division (Serenity Under Fire) Free Worlds League
35th Infantry Division (the Liberators of Java / Might Before Metal) Periphery
44th Royal Infantry Division (the Desperados) Lyran Commonwealth
49th Infantry Division (?) Draconis Combine
50th Royal Infantry Division (The Flame Keepers of Greece) Federated Suns
53rd Infantry Division (The Silver Sword Division) Federated Suns
+68th Infantry Division (the Thai Division)
72nd Infantry Division (Gator Hunters) Capellan Confederation

Jump Infantry Commands
1st Jump Infantry Division (the Hellraisers From Heaven) Federated Suns
12th Jump Infantry Division (the Lightning Bees) Capellan Confederation
17th Jump Infantry Division (the Golden Talon) Saiph - Terran Hegemony
30th Jump Infantry Division (Muphrid Lightning) Draconis Combine
59th Jump Infantry Division (the King's Own Jump Troops) Draconis Combine
60th Jump Infantry Division (the Shades of Glory) Capellan Confederation
61st Royal Jump Infantry Division (the Cluster Rats) Periphery
65th Jump Infantry Division (the Tornadoes) Periphery
80th Royal Jump Infantry Division (the East Hartford Division) Lyran Commonwealth
82nd Royal Jump Infantry Division (the All-Americans) Draconis Combine
++86th Jump Infantry Division (the Banishers) Free Worlds League
101st Jump Infantry Division (the Screaming Eagles) Federated Suns
106th Royal Jump Infantry Division (the Wraiths) Draconis Combine
+120th Jump Infantry Division (Pride of Carentan) Free Worlds League
145th Jump Infantry Division (The Pride of Berlin) Capellan Confederation
159th Jump Infantry Division (Hill Hoppers) Draconis Combine
185th Jump Infantry Division (Ready, Steady, Go) Free Worlds League
206th Jump Infantry Division (Death from Above) Periphery - Rim Worlds
208th Jump Infantry Division (Fire Jumpers) Federated Suns
210th Jump Infantry Division (Together as One) Free Worlds League
1007th Jump Infantry Division (?)
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Re: The Exodus Redux
« Reply #34 on: September 23, 2021, 04:20:38 PM »
Quote from: Takiro on September 22, 2021, 06:02:55 PM
Quote from: Ice Hellion on September 22, 2021, 04:15:31 PM
This makes me eager to create a French Corps with Marshal Ney, the Foreign Legion units...

Didn't we tackle this in Mercenary Guild?

I had something else in mind.
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The Remembrance (Clan Ice Hellion) Passage 5, Verse 3, Lines 1 - 5

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Re: The Exodus Redux
« Reply #35 on: September 23, 2021, 04:47:18 PM »
Quote from: lrose on September 22, 2021, 04:31:31 PM
Because there is no Star League- if you grew up in the DC (which has withdrawn/refused to acknowledge the SL lead by the TR) are you going to fight against your countrymen? Was SL indoctrination so good that you continue to fight for the SLDF against your home?  Or what if you are from the CC and they are attacked by the FWL- are you going to sit by the side or are you going to aid in the defense of your home land?  Soldiers from the FS would surely go to their nations aid when it is attacked by the DC- especially if the SLDF says they are not going to get involved but rather protect the TR.
 
I think if the SL had survived the Coup then the situation would be different, but having fallen I think a lot of the SLDF troops would have eventually left to fight for their home nations.

There are still something to defend and a chief of state from the "good" family.
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"In turn they tested each Clan namesake
in trial against the Ice Hellion's mettle.
Each chased the Ice Hellion, hunting it down.
All failed to match the predator's speed and grace.
Khan Cage smiled and said, "And that is how we shall be."

The Remembrance (Clan Ice Hellion) Passage 5, Verse 3, Lines 1 - 5

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Re: The Exodus Redux
« Reply #36 on: September 23, 2021, 06:42:50 PM »
I think this discussion is bringing a good concept to my brain. How about a discussion between Kerensky and DeChavilier seriously breaking down a what if the SLDF remains? Their ideas of what might happen, a worst case scenario... we could include another character like Grec for a three sided perspective.
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Re: The Exodus Redux
« Reply #37 on: September 25, 2021, 10:47:10 AM »
One argument that could be made in the SD setting is that the exodus might actually improve the TR chances. If the SLDF fractures the size and power of the SS will be the most boosted but if the Majority of the SLDF exoduses while a disproportionate number of Terran units remains it would be beneficial for the TR. The periphery revolt have decisively proven to Kerenski that he can't impose peace on even the outer regions much less the core and certainly not after the carnage of the Amaris war.
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Re: The Exodus Redux
« Reply #38 on: September 25, 2021, 06:33:45 PM »
I could see that CJvR.

Here is another question for everyone. What do you think the SLDF's attitude towards nukes would be?

This goes to their mentality going into the Succession Wars.

To me WMDs like nukes have been used as a short cut to grind them down since Periphery Uprising. I don't see them as willing to use them like Amaris did. I.E. indiscriminately to gain tactical advantage. I think the Houses have been watching and show indications that they are willing to utilize such weapons in the coming war.
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Re: The Exodus Redux
« Reply #39 on: September 26, 2021, 06:03:31 PM »
I suspect a deep loathing is only the beginning of the sentiment. Fighting an occupation force spreading them around with utter indifference on your home worlds! Although for the most part they have only experienced tactical bombing, not strategic. In some sense I expect some of them will have an itchy trigger for the bomb, they were forced to watch the Rimmers gleefully burn worlds while having no way to retaliate. Dropping the hammer of some SS lord would probably be cathartic for many.

They probably have a first strike doctrine, if you suspect where the main enemy stockpiles are you hit them. If they are already dispersed then lose order formations is required since concentrations, ah well...


Perhaps echoes of this doctrine can be seen in the Clans, minimum forces, dispersal down to the point where the single duel become the norm. When the Clans were reformed perhaps they slipped into the odd formalized warfare rather easily because it fit SLDF operations doctrine on the nuclear battlefield.
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Re: The Exodus Redux
« Reply #40 on: September 27, 2021, 03:31:43 PM »
Quote from: Takiro on September 25, 2021, 06:33:45 PM
Here is another question for everyone. What do you think the SLDF's attitude towards nukes would be?

After the Amaris War? Blow them all.
"They didn't help us. They watched us burn and being destroyed and now they are trying to get on our planets."
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"In turn they tested each Clan namesake
in trial against the Ice Hellion's mettle.
Each chased the Ice Hellion, hunting it down.
All failed to match the predator's speed and grace.
Khan Cage smiled and said, "And that is how we shall be."

The Remembrance (Clan Ice Hellion) Passage 5, Verse 3, Lines 1 - 5

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Re: The Exodus Redux
« Reply #41 on: September 27, 2021, 03:44:29 PM »
Excuse me, no one has also thought to check what is reported in the book 1630 The Star League published by FASA, regarding the units that then took part in the Exodus?

The discourse of the armored divisions, however, seems that more than being part of the SLDF, they are more a kind of militia of the Terran Hegemony.
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Re: The Exodus Redux
« Reply #42 on: September 27, 2021, 03:48:56 PM »
My original research for FM Terran Republic was based on that fantastic tome.
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Re: The Exodus Redux
« Reply #43 on: September 28, 2021, 05:32:25 PM »
Mechanized Infantry Commands (45 total)
1st Royal Mechanized Infantry Division (1st Cavalry Division or the First Team) Draconis Combine [origins in the United States Army ]
9th Mechanized Infantry Division (the Pride of Puget Sound) Federated Suns [paticipated in the final assault on Unity City]
13th Royal Mechanized Infantry Division (the Argent Knights) Free Worlds League
16th Mechanized Infantry Division (?) Periphery [fought in the RWR during Reunification War]
17th Royal Mechanized Infanntry Division (Peace Through Superior Firepower) Draconis Combine
24th Mechanized Infantry Division (Division du Aquitaine?!DOUBLE) Draconis Combine
26th Mechanized Infantry Division (Hackers and Crackers) Terran Hegemony - Nirasaki
27th Royal Mechanized Infantry Division (the Huntsmen) Lyran Commonwealth
34th Royal Mechanized Infantry Division (Royal Executioners) Draconis Combine
41st Mechanized Infantry Division (the Tricky Dick Division) Lyran Commonwealth
46th Mechanized Infantry Division (Thicker than Water) Free Worlds League
49th Mechanized Infantry Division (the Colony Commanders) Capellan Confederation
50th Royal Mechanized Infantry Division (Grace Under Pressure) Capellan Confederation
65th Royal Mechanized Infantry Division (the Zurich Division) Lyran Commonwealth
67th Mechanized Infantry Division (the Indiana Division) Draconis Combine
68th Mechanized Infantry Division (Powers’ Rangers) Draconis Combine
95th Mechanized Infantry Division (/) Draconis Combine [elements joined Kurita]
111th Mechanized Infantry Division (?) Terran Hegemony
120th Royal Mechanized Infantry Division (Lightning Strike) Free Worlds League
129th Mechanized Infantry Division (the Clockwork Division) Lyran Commonwealth
131st Royal Mechanized Infantry Division (the Los Angeles Division) Draconis Combine
132nd Royal Mechanized Infantry Division (Victory Through Perseverance) Draconis Combine
142nd Mechanized Infantry Division (Division du Aquitaine?!DOUBLE) Draconis Combine
146th Mechanized Infantry Division (Back to the Stone Age) Free Worlds League
147th Mechanized Infantry Division (?) Periphery
157th Royal Mechanized Infantry Division (the Light of the Zodiac Division) Periphery [Belters]
159th Royal Mechanized Infantry Division (the Athena Division) Federated Suns [HoloVids]
164th Mechanized Infantry Division (the Fighting Amazons) Lyran Commonwealth
169th Royal Mechanized Infantry Division (the Punaluu Division) Federated Suns
172nd Mechanized Infantry Division (the Turpentine Division) Free Worlds League
174th Mechanized Infantry Division (Never Give Up, Never Surrender) Lyran Commonwealth
183rd Royal Mechanized Infantry Division (Calm in the Face of Adversity) Periphery
191st Mechanized Infantry Division (the Upper Silesian Division) Capellan Confederation
192nd Mechanized Infantry Division (the Stampeding Horde) Draconis Combine
194th Mechanized Infantry Division (the Crusader Division) Free Worlds League
196th Mechanized Infantry Division (the Benchwarmers) Lyran Commonwealth
212th Mechanized Infantry Division (the Boiling Point Division) Draconis Combine – Tortuga
226th Royal Mechanized Infantry Division (the Wild Ones from Yorii) Periphery
237th Mechanized Infantry Division (the Langhorne Losers) Periphery
242nd Royal Mechanized Infantry Division (the Cape Town Division) Federated Suns – Sakhara
255th Royal Mechanized Infantry Division (the Blackstar Cuirassiers) Federated Suns - Kaiyuh
257th Mechanized Infantry Division (?) Federated Suns - Huron
279th Royal Mechanized Infantry Division (the Chara Cossacks) Periphery
294th Mechanized Infantry Division (Zodiac’s Light) Federated Suns - Gambier
300th Mechanized Infantry Division (the Martians) Federated Suns – Andalusia
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Re: The Exodus Redux
« Reply #44 on: September 28, 2021, 05:55:38 PM »
That is the admittedly quick look at the divisions of the Exodus provided by sarna which is extremely useful. Still have to find all the Independent Regiments.
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