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Re: The Taurian Defense Force: A New Look
« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2010, 02:09:34 PM »

The catch, here, is that this configuration and strength only works well for anti-piracy patrols. The two-battalion force is at a severe disadvantage versus an attack by their most likely invader (as opposed to 'raider'): an AFFS RCT.

But what is their real/more likely opponent? Pirates or an AFFS invasion?
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Re: The Taurian Defense Force: A New Look
« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2010, 08:00:24 PM »

But what is their real/more likely opponent? Pirates or an AFFS invasion?

Again, it depends on the era. We have three separate eras to consider.

1. In canon-3025, Thomas Calderon is not about to let the focus drift away from the FS...which would indicate that the TDF is using the wrong model. However, I noted from his bio that Thomas doesn't have any real military experience, and I think it likely that he decided not to tinker with something that seems to work well - 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it.'

2. #1 would indicate that the TDF has been configured as an anti-piracy force -- which makes perfect sense, given their location and position. In the aftermath of SW1 & SW2, I'm sure that there was a massive upswing in piracy, and it wouldn't take a K-F scientist to figure out that the IS Houses are too busy trying to kill each other to pay attention to the Periphery...which makes the TDF's priority killing pirate forces that are likely built on the remains of defeated/smashed House or merc mech units, all of whom are likely to be no more than company-strength, rather than organized invasion forces. That's going to hold true up to 3025, easily.

3. Which brings us to 2800 and SC. If the Houses aren't smashing each other flat, were I sitting on the TDF General Staff my main focus would be on the Suns and the CC. I'd want to organize and build my forces as rapidly as I could to make "adventures" against me extraordinarily bad ideas, and I would want those forces configured for combat against a military (vs pirate) force...which indicates that they would need a more conventional organization, to maximize their forces deployment.....


...However.

This now brings us into the realm of mech and Jumpship/Dropship production for the TC, and the question of "Do the Taurians have one or more of Amaris' secret mech plants under their control, and if so, what is its output per annum?"

As well, did the TC have its own shipyards PRE-Coup? And, in the absence of SW 1 & 2, would those facilities survive?

In the absence of C* killing off scientists during SW2 -  ::) - I simply cannot see the Taurians not utilizing their education system to start building remote yards and mech plants, whether they have Amaris' sites or not......
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Re: The Taurian Defense Force: A New Look
« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2010, 04:25:04 PM »

However they should avoid getting too big and unable to sustain their military.

The main problem is what do you do with your military forces?
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Re: The Taurian Defense Force: A New Look
« Reply #18 on: December 16, 2010, 09:43:32 PM »

One of the reasons I like the TC as much as I do, is the fact that they really don't seem to go out of their way to inflict themselves on other states, unlike pretty much everyone else besides the OA. They always struck me as far too rational to want to try to conquer the FC or CC...hence, the reason I pretty much ignore the entire Jihad+ arc...
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Re: The Taurian Defense Force: A New Look
« Reply #19 on: August 03, 2011, 10:01:10 PM »

Remember, Hammer, a two-battalion Taurian Regiment with Command Company has a total of 9 standard 12-mech strong companies, and is equal in numbers to the Mech Regiment of an RCT.  Now add in local armor and infantry reserves (which EVERY Taurian world has ranging from 1 battalion of tanks and VTOLs and 1 regiment of infantry to entire CORPS of armor, choppers, and infantry on the major worlds) and you got a force that a single RCT would be hard pressed to roll right over.

On the other hand, we've already established that the Taurians tend to assign their units to worlds in single battalions (4 companies or 5 if the RCC is attached), which is either 44% or 56% the strength of an RCT Mech Regiment.  But, on the gripping hand (take that long-time SF fans!), conventional military wisdom is that an attacker needs at least three times the strength of the defender in order to ensure victory.  The TDF Mech battalion, plus local armor and infantry reserves, should be able to hold an attacker long enough for reinforcements to arrive.

Anyway, just a few thoughts.

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Re: The Taurian Defense Force: A New Look
« Reply #20 on: August 03, 2011, 11:42:05 PM »

That's real "conventional military wisdom" which says 3:1 attacker to defender ratio.  It's never found in BattleTech.  And, honestly, you don't find it very much in recent decades of military action.  In 1990, Saddam Hussein had the 4th largest army in the world, and one which had been involved in a decade-long war (in which it outclassed its opponent) just a couple of years before it was thrown into Kuwait.  The US & coalition forces didn't assemble a military 3x the size to fight it off. 

Look at it another way, how often do you have one lance of 'mechs fight off a full company of equal-weight 'mechs in a game of BattleTech?  Not very often, I'm sure, because BT-the-game doesn't take all the things into account which caused that 3:1 attacker-to-defender ratio to come into existence. 
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Re: The Taurian Defense Force: A New Look
« Reply #21 on: August 04, 2011, 02:04:22 PM »

Look at it another way, how often do you have one lance of 'mechs fight off a full company of equal-weight 'mechs in a game of BattleTech?  Not very often, I'm sure, because BT-the-game doesn't take all the things into account which caused that 3:1 attacker-to-defender ratio to come into existence.

Mostly because you don't see the big picture but only the small one like an assault on a peculiar place or a deep raid towards an important objective.
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Re: The Taurian Defense Force: A New Look
« Reply #22 on: August 04, 2011, 09:13:48 PM »

And yet in sourcebooks such as the Historical series it's very rare for the attacking force to have even at 2:1 advantage in numbers over the defenders of a world -- and even then, those assessments include only 'mechs.  Sometimes there's a 3:2 ratio of attackers to defenders, but generally one regiment of 'mechs is thrown at another regiment of 'mechs.  This is why, until H:RW, I assumed the lack of military strategy was a result of the Succession Wars depriving the Inner Sphere of higher learning.  But H:RW displays the same lack of military acumen that characterized the Succession Wars, so I'm left to conclude that higher military learning got "lost" when humanity hit the stars, likely under the presumption that space was big enough for everyone and that there wouldn't be any more wars.  Joke's on them...
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Re: The Taurian Defense Force: A New Look
« Reply #23 on: August 08, 2011, 03:31:38 PM »

And yet in sourcebooks such as the Historical series it's very rare for the attacking force to have even at 2:1 advantage in numbers over the defenders of a world -- and even then, those assessments include only 'mechs.  Sometimes there's a 3:2 ratio of attackers to defenders, but generally one regiment of 'mechs is thrown at another regiment of 'mechs.

Perhaps we are then missing the whole picture with the conventional regiments.
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The Remembrance (Clan Ice Hellion) Passage 5, Verse 3, Lines 1 - 5
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