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Re: Bulldog Class Destroyer
« Reply #15 on: July 20, 2011, 12:02:30 AM »
Quote from: Halvagor on July 19, 2011, 10:27:34 PM
Sure, the Taurians were smart and never signed the Ares.  That doesn't mean they need to hand the SL and FS propaganda tools on a silver platter. 

The PR campaign was already going against the TC even before the war started.  Besides Case Amber was the big turning point in the PR campaign -H:RW says that it did more to help Cameron get support for the war then anything he could have done on his own. At this point using nukes is what the IS expects from the TC, so you might as well do it and in the process hurt the SLDF as much as you can.   
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Re: Bulldog Class Destroyer
« Reply #16 on: July 20, 2011, 12:05:22 AM »
And when the local bully come round and you have to face him, you don't gently slap the prick, you kick the mongrel in nuts, hard and continuously until he gives up and goes home.
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Re: Bulldog Class Destroyer
« Reply #17 on: July 20, 2011, 12:32:49 AM »
That's certainly been the normal historical viewpoint.  I question its effectiveness.  But that doesn't stop it from being the dominant concept. 

Still, given how sharply Irose's home-brew warships already outclass their Star League counterparts, I think it's not something the TCN needs to be doing.  It looks a lot worse for the SLN & AFFS to be beat on their own terms than to be beat with copious use of nukes, even against military targets (I didn't see any indication of the SLN using nukes against Taurian naval ships in H:RW).  Using nukes lets the SLN blame Taurian atrocities for their failures, even though the Concordat didn't sign Ares.  If the Taurians don't use nukes against ships, I think it'll cause people back home to say "How incompetent are you, SLDF/AFFS, that you're getting curb-stomped by a Periphery nation that despite not signing Ares isn't even using nukes on your ships."  That meme would play well in the civil sector of the FedSuns and Hegemony, and probably do a lot more to undermine the willingness of those populations to support the war than attacking the civil supply-ship fleet.

On the other hand...it's always a bad idea to limit the force options of your military commanders.  And, hell, the Concordat didn't sign Ares. 

As for the per-capita income thing...look up modern lists of nations ranked by per-capita income, both normalized and purchasing power parity.  High per-capita income has no real correlation with military power.  Unless France is secretly quaking it its boots about being invaded by Luxemburg, or Iran is terrified of upsetting Qatar.  Sure, nations with high per-capita incomes are more likely to have a high-tech military, but given the situation the Taurians are in, larger numbers of slightly-less-advanced equipment is probably what they need.  Of course, since every significant piece of warship technology was invented more than a hundred years before the Reunification War, there really isn't a tech-curve in WarShips.  Just a lot of bad designs.
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Re: Bulldog Class Destroyer
« Reply #18 on: July 20, 2011, 03:39:57 PM »
Quote from: Halvagor on July 20, 2011, 12:32:49 AM
Still, given how sharply Irose's home-brew warships already outclass their Star League counterparts, I think it's not something the TCN needs to be doing.  It looks a lot worse for the SLN & AFFS to be beat on their own terms than to be beat with copious use of nukes, even against military targets (I didn't see any indication of the SLN using nukes against Taurian naval ships in H:RW).  Using nukes lets the SLN blame Taurian atrocities for their failures, even though the Concordat didn't sign Ares.  If the Taurians don't use nukes against ships, I think it'll cause people back home to say "How incompetent are you, SLDF/AFFS, that you're getting curb-stomped by a Periphery nation that despite not signing Ares isn't even using nukes on your ships."  That meme would play well in the civil sector of the FedSuns and Hegemony, and probably do a lot more to undermine the willingness of those populations to support the war than attacking the civil supply-ship fleet.

Perhaps it would work in the Federated Suns, but not in the Hegemony - which has been fed a steady diet of propaganda supporting the war. Plus, the Hegemony has always used its siege mentality to service the nation. An Inner Sphere focused on the Periphery is not looking at the rich Hegemony borders. Finally, the RW helped continue to drive the Hegemony economy. Their industries were churning out massive amounts of equipment. Sure their soldiers were dying, but they were dying for a cause. 

Finally, keep in mind there are no HPGs. It could take months for information from the front to reach the four corners of a given state, let alone the whole of the Inner Sphere. Plus, once that info reaches a terminal point it still has to filter down. In nations like the DCMS I doubt it ever left Luthien. Even the most liberal state isn't likely to assist the news in dispensing loss reports. Tack on some more time.

Local commanders were given a lot of autonomy and nation leaders knew what a protracted campaign could entail. Even the AoW book states that most campaigns petered out due to communication difficulties. While that should be a mark against the SLDF - they were committed to the war. So it's actually pretty useful. The Hegemony and the SLDF just need to continue out-producing the Periphery. Even a major loss, by the time it's known by the High Council, is already seeing reinforcements arrive. The mechanics of slow communication mean overkill is not underrated.

 

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Re: Bulldog Class Destroyer
« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2011, 12:00:21 AM »
Quote from: Blacknova on July 20, 2011, 12:05:22 AM
And when the local bully come round and you have to face him, you don't gently slap the prick, you kick the mongrel in nuts, hard and continuously until he gives up and goes home.

That is true also having your favorite uncle slip you a pair of Brass Knuckles doesn't hurt either.
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