Topic: First Session of the Council of Geneva - 3025 (Read 48898 times)

Marlin · « **Reply #15 on:** January 27, 2011, 06:19:57 PM »

If possible, Hashimoto's face presented an even friendlier smile.

"Ambassador Han is correct. Peace and Harmony must be brought back to the Inner Sphere. It may seem unlikely at the moment and relations are strained. We are working hard to restore Harmony. Although, mind you, this point of view is likely not shared with all in this room.

Let me answer you on the topic of these interesting informations the noble Ambassador Halstein has brought up.

It is not unlikely my Master has tried to deal with ComStar as a friendly entity, as we strive to have good relations with all that wish us no harm. Although I don't know much about this deal, I am sure this was profitable to both sides.

If other nations with friendly relations would be able to buy from the blessed Order is not mine to decide. I would certainly encourage any in need to do so, given that the Order has such Material still left. As far as I know, those are old machines of simple Technology, and it might have just been that their warehouses are empty now. I thank you for your patience."

She bowed to the audience and sat down, smiling peacefully.

Blacknova · « **Reply #16 on:** January 27, 2011, 11:43:19 PM »

The Marian delegate rises again, puffs himself up, assumes a proper oratorical pose and begins...

I have one small issue regarding ComStar, which I have discussed with the estimable delegate from the Lyran commonwealth, especially so if this apparent willingness of theirs to choose sides is true. That is: should ComStar continue to be trusted a the arbiter of the mercenary market, as before ComStar's even handedness was the reason for our trusting them with such oversight?

Kwic · « **Reply #17 on:** January 28, 2011, 04:50:19 PM »

*Simon stands refering to his datapad*

I have recently forwarded to all parties data regarding the increase in Pirate force of arms, and note that this is a significant increase.

In the past year there has been an approximate increase in pirate Battlemechs of over 730, and increase in pirate Aerospace fighters of over 581. Even with the destruction of numerous pirate bands by pirate hunting forces in the neighborhood of 400 Battlemechs and 240 Aerospace fighters, that still leaves a net increase in operational pirate units of 330 Battlemechs and 341 Aerospace fighters.

Given that Comstar is exporting 1800 Conventional vehicles, 1980 Battlemechs and 600 Aerospace fighters to the Kapteyn Concord, and there is an additional 730 Battlemechs and 581 Aerospace fighters that have been supplied to pirates, perhaps the source is the same?

That would tend to indicate that Comstar had surplus equipment in the order of ~2000 Vehicles, ~3000 Battlemechs, ~1500 Aerospace fighters. That any military has more surplus equipment than some entire nations have actual military forces deployed is quite concerning.

Not to mention the vast increase in mercenaries over the same time period. If the sudden influx of Mercenary units are also being supplied from Comstar's unknown coffers, would that not tend to seriously call into question their neutrality in the managment of mercenary contracts?

If Comstar can no longer be trusted to be a neutral entity by supplying not only one side of a galactic conflict, but the pirates with materials and wielding significant influence on the mercenaries factions as well? These are serious allegations and it is my sincere hope that the Comstar Ambassador can address these issues.

chaosxtreme · « **Reply #18 on:** January 28, 2011, 07:21:12 PM »

The smiling facade of Ernesto Orloff broke with a start as he rose to his feet to address the Council

Wait....are we really...I mean are we really considering that the Lyrans are speaking the truth for once? I mean LIC is quite good when you want to commit acts of terrorism, or assassinate freedom fighters, or have a spy sleep his or her way through the nobility of a neighboring state on the off chance of picking up some HumInt.

But I find their claims of "we have discovered" "trust us" a little incredulous, a little convenient for them considering the recent reversals they have experienced in this war ... that they have brought down upon themselves and have no one else to blame save themselves for, as I am sure the rest of you who have a mind to see do as well.

As to the matter of the Comstar Review Board, it is a service not a requirement, a service that The Order provides to both mercenary commands and employers. No one makes a Mercenary or an employer operate through the MRBC your are all quite welcome to NOT use the Comstar Review Board. Good luck convincing any Mercenary Unit worth their salt to "trust" you for payment. But I am certain you can get a few to do so after all their are all kinds of fool's born every day some even grow up and manage to get a hold of mechs. The universe is filled with wonders.

The Free Worlds on the other hand is most satisified with the good service that Comstar has provided us in this and other avenue's of commerce and will continue to use Comstar's excellent service's in this regard.

Anyone caring to divest themselves of Mercenary Commands that are likewise satisified with the service Comstar has provided well I assure you the Free Worlds is quite happy to acquire those contracts...at a discount of course.

In my mind this is nothing more then a transparent and blatant attempt by the Junta of so called Regents on Tharkad to divert blame for this war they have been badly losing off on to anyone and they know the famed neutrality of Comstar will not allow the order to respond with anything other then words of truth.

Which can quite easily be spun by the Lyran Propaganda machine. By the time they are properly exonerated, these madmen that <glares at the Lyran Ambassador> you serve sir, quite obviously hope to have "handled" the situation.

That being said I am sure they are finding that the planning a war is not quite the same game of Oina as planning a Ball or Spring Formal. However despite such difficulties I am quite certain, positively certain infact that those fool's will be dripping in Medals before the Media soon enough.

These accusations are beneath contempt. I for one call upon the Lyran "Ambassador" to formally apologize to our hosts and it is quite clear he has presented accusations without basis in fact and it is beneath even his status as a representative of the Lyran Commonwealth.

chaosxtreme · « **Reply #19 on:** January 28, 2011, 07:38:12 PM »

Quote from: panzerfaust150 on January 27, 2011, 02:27:04 PM

(If Joe wants to edit this, that's fine)

Baronet Alfred Halstein, hails from York in the Lyran Commonwealth, Age 51, a canny, but fiery veteran diplomat who isn't shy at all. He is dressed conservatively, with thinning jet black hair, and grey at the temples, he walks with aid of a cane..thanks to Kuritan troops from a border skirmish in 3005.

Greetings from the Regency Council of the Lyran Commonwealth:

I find the Capellan comments curious. Most curious indeed. If they were serious about wanting peace in this matter, they would have entered serious negotiations with the Davions as we have with our Circinian neighbors. No, you ally yourselves with two nations who have aggrandized themselves at the expense of their neighbors, including one who's taken more from your nation than the Davions ever did. Are you serious about peace if you make such alliances with such nations? I would also ask? Is it worth bringing death and destruction to populaces who haven't known a Liao flag in generations? How many children speak English as opposed to Chinese or Russian? And will the lessons be administered at gunpoint?

And let's also discuss the horrific actions of your navy on Alcyone? The casualty reports are still being tabulated. You probably killed more civilians and more of your own troops than anyone else with that orbital bombardment. I assure you, were such actions to occur over a Lyran world, the response would be...swift and devastating. The rest of the Inner Sphere would like to know, does returning "lost worlds to the fold" include committing wholesale murder? Don't wait for the translation, Manderinn! The Inner Sphere is waiting!

Since you insist on bringing up the incidents of blatant aggression by the Lyran Commonwealth as of late against the Circinian People.

The Free Worlds League amongst its numerous grievances with the Tyranny of the Lyran Commonwealth cites the unjust annexation of the Circinian world of Andiron as a grievance. This act of blatant aggression and bad faith will not stand in civilized interstellar society.

Further we list as one of our goals of this just war the return Andiron to our Circinian friends. The Lyran Commonwealth would go far in showing they desire peace with the Free Worlds League by immediately returning the illegally occupied world of Andiron to the Circinus Federation.

We would even be willing to consider entering into talks to accept a conditional surrender from the Lyran Commonwealth should you take this act of good faith in making the Circinus Federation whole.

Do not attempt to side track matters or to act as if you have the right to question Lady... the Esteemed Chancellor Liao's military inregards to Alcyone.

Bolan, Hesperus II, Solaris 7 the Inner Sphere is littered with dead and diminished worlds brought about by the Lyran Commonwealth's fragrant disregard to the Ares Convention. Where as the Capellan Confederation was engaging legitimate military targets which insisted on using the civilians of Alcyone as meat shields. The loss of life on Alcyone can be laid at the Feet of the AFFS who could have moved out of the cities or even withdrawn from the planet a month earlier rather then place the people of Alcyone in-between themselves and the CCAF.

How dare you accuse them when your state was the first to disregard the Ares Conventions in the First Succession War and have continued a legacy of blood and wholesale slaughter to this day...whenever you monsters can get away with it.

I for one reject the Lyran Commonwealth's representative that they are "the rest of the Inner Sphere" on several grounds, one they are not, two they have ignored the existence and dislike of our periphery members dislike for being considered part of the Inner Sphere. It is insensitive to that shared history, and finally 3 while the Chancellors Emissary does not need me to speak up on their behalf the idea that a diplomat of such renown would have to wait for a translation is simply idiotic on a level I can't imagine anyone...oh wait your a Lyran never mind.

Coriendal · « **Reply #20 on:** January 28, 2011, 09:31:12 PM »

"Ambassador Orloff," Han, the Capellan ambassador said as he stands. "I appreciate your desire to defend an alliance member but I speak for the Capellan Confederation here, not you. We make no excuses for our actions. This current war is simply an extension of others fought since the fall of the Star League. We will reclaim those worlds taken from us by the Federated Suns. Our intentions are clear and we will accomplish our mission. You may cry foul or raise a moral argument but we did not whine when the Davion Princes chose to take our worlds by force of arms. We will now take them back and then ask if a permanent peace along the borders present during the Star League would not be acceptable."

Ice Hellion · « **Reply #21 on:** January 29, 2011, 06:18:21 AM »

Charles-Maurice de Talleyrand-Périgord raises again with his hands turned towards the other ambassadors in a gesture of peace.

Peace fellow ambassadors.
We are all from civilized States and as such, I would be glad if you would not make me stand too often as my leg is not in good shape
with a smile while showing his leg

Regarding the accusations made by the Lyran Commonwealth, I would like to ask the other States if they have requested exports from ComStar and have been denied access to their production facilities or if there are any other evidence that ComStar is no longer a neutral power?

And regarding the first point, neutrality and free trades are two different things, aren't they?
I mean we in the Periphery are neutral but we are still free to trade with some powers and not with all of them.

Regarding the supplies given to the Pirates, this is a more serious problem.
The Taurian Concordat would like that all of us be given access to the remains of captured equipments to see if they can find their origin.

As we are talking, the Taurian Concordat just sent to this noble assembly some evidence gathered on Pirates' Haven so that we can look at them.

Not RP: Blacknova, how can we handle this?

Marlin · « **Reply #22 on:** January 29, 2011, 07:40:11 AM »

After the Taurian spoke, Hashimoto raised her soothing voice again:

"I herewith propose that our esteemed colleague of the Taurion Concordat does not need to stand whilst talking to this august body. Would that be acceptable to all?"

Ice Hellion · « **Reply #23 on:** January 29, 2011, 08:30:36 AM »

Turning to his colleague and bowing

I thank you for being so nice with me but sometimes when the debate is getting more and more passionate, some sacrifices have to be made.

panzerfaust150 · « **Reply #24 on:** January 29, 2011, 11:43:39 AM »

Quote from: chaosxtreme on January 28, 2011, 07:38:12 PM

Quote from: panzerfaust150 on January 27, 2011, 02:27:04 PM
(If Joe wants to edit this, that's fine)

Baronet Alfred Halstein, hails from York in the Lyran Commonwealth, Age 51, a canny, but fiery veteran diplomat who isn't shy at all. He is dressed conservatively, with thinning jet black hair, and grey at the temples, he walks with aid of a cane..thanks to Kuritan troops from a border skirmish in 3005.

Greetings from the Regency Council of the Lyran Commonwealth:

I find the Capellan comments curious. Most curious indeed. If they were serious about wanting peace in this matter, they would have entered serious negotiations with the Davions as we have with our Circinian neighbors. No, you ally yourselves with two nations who have aggrandized themselves at the expense of their neighbors, including one who's taken more from your nation than the Davions ever did. Are you serious about peace if you make such alliances with such nations? I would also ask? Is it worth bringing death and destruction to populaces who haven't known a Liao flag in generations? How many children speak English as opposed to Chinese or Russian? And will the lessons be administered at gunpoint?

And let's also discuss the horrific actions of your navy on Alcyone? The casualty reports are still being tabulated. You probably killed more civilians and more of your own troops than anyone else with that orbital bombardment. I assure you, were such actions to occur over a Lyran world, the response would be...swift and devastating. The rest of the Inner Sphere would like to know, does returning "lost worlds to the fold" include committing wholesale murder? Don't wait for the translation, Manderinn! The Inner Sphere is waiting!

Ah well, so much for civility.....

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The Free Worlds League amongst its numerous grievances with the Tyranny of the Lyran Commonwealth cites the unjust annexation of the Circinian world of Andiron as a grievance. This act of blatant aggression and bad faith will not stand in
civilized interstellar society.

Further we list as one of our goals of this just war the return Andiron to our Circinian friends. The Lyran Commonwealth would go far in showing they desire peace with the Free Worlds League by immediately returning the illegally occupied world of Andiron to the Circinus Federation.

We've been in negotiations with Circinians for months on this topic. The elections and handover (if the plebiscite so chose), was to occur this month, with the 6th Syrtis Fusiliers from House Davion being the peacekeepers for the proceedings. I can even provide the League ambassador with the communications. The Circinians seemed happy with the arrangement. Your little war knocked matters into an apple cart. Even so, we intend to proceed with the elections this month, and if the people of Andrion want us to leave? We will. Are you prepared to conduct similar plebiscites on Alcyone? On Weekapung? On Suk II? On Dixie? Afraid you'd lose?

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Do not attempt to side track matters or to act as if you have the right to question Lady... the Esteemed Chancellor Liao's military inregards to Alcyone. And we've treated the people of Andrion better than you've treated the people of Dixie, if the rebellion is to be believed.

I do have the right to question her, or anyone else in this chamber. It's a measure of being given the right to be here. One would think by your chatter that you're afraid of being questioned yourself? Are you? Tell me, Mr. Ambassador? What are you afraid of. I've never lied to anyone in my life with the exception of my doctor about my diet and my wife about how much I spend on beer.

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Bolan, Hesperus II, Solaris 7 the Inner Sphere is littered with dead and diminished worlds brought about by the Lyran Commonwealth's fragrant disregard to the Ares Convention. Where as the Capellan Confederation was engaging legitimate military targets which insisted on using the civilians of Alcyone as meat shields. The loss of life on Alcyone can be laid at the Feet of the AFFS who could have moved out of the cities or even withdrawn from the planet a month earlier rather then place the people of Alcyone in-between themselves and the CCAF.

Oh, so because you show up, we're just supposed to hand over the keys and smile...wow. I am amazed as to the idiocy on display.

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I for one reject the Lyran Commonwealth's representative that they are "the rest of the Inner Sphere" on several grounds, one they are not, two they have ignored the existence and dislike of our periphery members dislike for being considered part of the Inner Sphere. It is insensitive to that shared history, and finally 3 while the Chancellors Emissary does not need me to speak up on their behalf the idea that a diplomat of such renown would have to wait for a translation is simply idiotic on a level I can't imagine anyone...oh wait your a Lyran never mind.

We never said that, and oh by the way...um...is Connaught ringing any bells? You used nukes on rebels. Your own people ambassador. I'm talking recent history. You're talking events NONE of us are old enough to remember, unless of course the League's made a breakthrough in life-extension therapy. Mr. Speaker, I move for a formal censure of the Marik Ambassador. His insulting and self-righteous conduct is unbecoming of this chamber. Furthermore? We all have the right to question each other by the simple fact we are here. Oh I forgot, you're a Marik. You're too busy trampling over the rights of your people and calling it a democracy. I'm reminded of the words of Benjamin Franklin. "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding on what's for dinner, A Republic is a well-armed lamb disputing the vote.". None of us, sadly, live in a republic. I wish it were otherwise. Perhaps some of the foolishness I see here wouldn't occur.

Marlin · « **Reply #25 on:** January 29, 2011, 03:18:56 PM »

Quote from: Ice Hellion on January 29, 2011, 08:30:36 AM

Turning to his colleague and bowing

I thank you for being so nice with me but sometimes when the debate is getting more and more passionate, some sacrifices have to be made.

Qietly, she answered: "You are welcome, however, this passion displayed here should be contained. *pointing to Lyran and League* I will respect your decision."

Blacknova · « **Reply #26 on:** January 29, 2011, 05:26:06 PM »

Tiberius Saul, full of smug self congratulation look to the League ambassador.

If I remember my history correctly, It was League troops, following their defeat on Bolan early in the First Succession War, who deployed nuclear weapons against Bolan as they retreated, in an effort to deny the world to the Lyrans.

Such scorched earth tactics show the true level of depravity of all those who would lust after the accursed throne of the Cameron’s.

panzerfaust150 · « **Reply #27 on:** January 29, 2011, 05:45:43 PM »

<Nods to the Marian ambassador>

So wait, lemme get this straight? The Mariks went to war with us over a claim that is...hmm, 200 plus years old? By this logic? We and Kuritans should side together against the Davions and Capellans to refight the Second World War. This is laughable. We're re-fighting a 200+ year old claim? Seriously gentlemen. I could the Circinians being mad at us..but we're working with them on that. We really didn't want to take the place, it sort of worked out the place when we smashed the Black Warrior battalion in residence. And I would ask the Marik Ambassador? Haven't you had problems with them in the past? I seem to dimly recall some piracy issues with them. And that you've on occasion sent troops to express said displeasure.

Our Archon said it best, "It's not ours, we don't want it, but we broke it, so at the very least, we have some responsibility to it."

Personally? I'd rather we pulled out of Andrion the first chance we got. But what of the ugly diplomatic missive aimed at the Marians with regards to Niops? As I said, Mr. Ambassador? If you show up, we're just supposed to hand over the keys? Is Lyran or Davion love of country any less than Kuritan, Marik or Capellan? I wouldn't argue such a thing. It would be a far better universe if our teenagers could learn to shoot .22s at rabbits, than PPCs at each other. But what your nations propose isn't peace. Not at all gentlemen. It's aggression. You'll be satisfied until you decide another part of our realms is "lost territory looking to return home."

We've seen plenty of it's like throughout history; Hitler, Napoleon, Aramis. All men saying that their supposed "national pride" was worth the death of millions. It isn't. My son's on Tamar. He's going to do his duty. Probably die or wind up in a Kuritan POW camp. I don't know. But he told me it was his life, and his duty to do. I get that. All of us have had the same speech with our sons and our daughters.

Perhaps, gentlemen, you'll start loving your children more than you hate us? I doubt it. But we intend to fight like hell till you do.

chaosxtreme · « **Reply #28 on:** January 29, 2011, 09:39:36 PM »

The Lyran Ambassador may wish for my censor. He may wish for a great many things but I dare say he shall not have them.

Now that being said I would be happy to take ownership of any such papers and transcripts as you would wish to provide my government on the completely unconscionable occupation of Andiron.

Further we will not allow you to use our just and proportionate response to the series of cross border raids the Lyran Commonwealth initiated throughout 3024 which I would remind you sir lead to this war.

That is...if your prepared to conduct the plebiscite without the presence of any forces on world to intimidate the populous.

What is needed is a neutral observer to see that things are carried out properly. I nominate Comstar, anyone with a brain can see they have maintained neutrality with all realms represented here.

We entered the war at the request of every. single. one. of our neighbors in the region over the troubling acts of aggression of the then Ceaser O'Reilly who is no longer with us may he find a better path in his next life.

I call upon the representatives of Illyria, Lothia and Circinus to confirm that Free Worlds involvement was beneficial to the resolution of that war in their favor.

That being said the new Ceaser O'Reilly is proving to be a far more amiable neighbor then his father and we have no issues in regard with the swift turn over of those citizens of NIOP's which have sought a new life in the Free Worlds League.

No Ambassador what we have had is Lyran Aggression as it was your military which first crossed the border since the end of the 3rd Succession War or will you deny the facts of the matter? Anyway you want to look at it your Archon violated the peace when she sent her armies of thugs and low rent Mercenaries across the border then in her "wisdom" she went skiing and unfortunately only nearly broke her fool neck.

And now, now you prattle on about how your boy might die in the war instead of spending his mandatory service putting up bunting at Military Ball's well boo freaking hoo. Or do you think that men and women don't and have not died in those state sanctioned thieving expeditions you call raids?

War is evil, but not standing up to Lyran Tyranny is by far a worse evil. When this conflagration comes to an end the Lyran Commonwealth shall not be in a position to violate her neighbors borders for a long time, and because of that many young men and women now in their cribs will get to grow up without the exchange of auto-cannon's violating the night. Without the flames of Lyran Pirates Dropships raining down on their worlds night sky I look forward to that day.

You say you want peace Ambassador? Then at least have the decency to inquire as to terms before you insist that your neighbors whom you have wronged are unreasonable in their terms.

On the matter of claims should I take this to mean the Lyran Commonwealth no longer maintains its spurious claim the Captain-General's title of First Lord after all..its quite old as well is it not?

chaosxtreme · « **Reply #29 on:** January 29, 2011, 09:47:38 PM »

Quote from: Blacknova on January 29, 2011, 05:26:06 PM

Tiberius Saul, full of smug self congratulation look to the League ambassador.

If I remember my history correctly, It was League troops, following their defeat on Bolan early in the First Succession War, who deployed nuclear weapons against Bolan as they retreated, in an effort to deny the world to the Lyrans.

Such scorched earth tactics show the true level of depravity of all those who would lust after the accursed throne of the Cameron’s.

Quite obviously your education is substandard, Kenyon Marik's Address on the matter of the end to honoring of the Ares Convention quite plainly state's the Lyrans were the first to start banding Atomics about in their conquest of Bolan via sneak attack too I might add, and it is borne up by many notable Marik General's historical memoirs of the time.

Considering your age, and the realm from which you hale I shall not dare speak against you on such a subject of depravity the pirates turned legionnaires of Marian space are well known for it in how they treat their slaves, or have you come up with a new euphemism for that "peculiar institution" of yours yet?

I remember that being on the new Caesar's agenda how is that coming along by the way?

OOC: Good catch FWL maintains its position that it was the Lyrans despite our own House Book hinting it could have really been us. Since the official House Marik line is it was the Lyrans. ;-)

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