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Re: Naval (Blue Water) Vessels
« Reply #30 on: February 18, 2012, 10:26:47 AM »
Quote from: Takiro on February 16, 2012, 10:12:24 PM
It lays out the role of the wet navy which Ice asked about earlier essentially a pirate hunting force deployed against raiders in economic vital yet remote ocean locations. Makes sense I guess cause Mechs and AeroFighters can really smash any wet naval force.

It makes sense but for some designs it doesn't.
Can you imagine attack subs and ballistic missile ones being used against pirates?
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Re: Naval (Blue Water) Vessels
« Reply #31 on: February 18, 2012, 11:09:33 AM »
Quote from: Ice Hellion on February 18, 2012, 10:26:47 AM
Quote from: Takiro on February 16, 2012, 10:12:24 PM
It lays out the role of the wet navy which Ice asked about earlier essentially a pirate hunting force deployed against raiders in economic vital yet remote ocean locations. Makes sense I guess cause Mechs and AeroFighters can really smash any wet naval force.

It makes sense but for some designs it doesn't.
Can you imagine attack subs and ballistic missile ones being used against pirates?

Well attack subs make sense for local defenses. For example, say you have an important off-shore refinery, attack subs can provide surface and sub-surface protection from pirates and under water saboteurs. In this case, an attack sub fulfills two defensive roles, and can operate without interfering with surface traffic.

Ballistic missile submarines are strategic assets. They're pretty terrible (or a waste) for just about everything outside of their designated role. 
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Re: Naval (Blue Water) Vessels
« Reply #32 on: February 19, 2012, 12:29:26 AM »
Well if you have something like the Wyrm which is sort of a Ballistic Sub it is nice to augment your System Defense System. Subs like the Nautilus are more useful to attack a coast line probably in support of a land force but as a raider popping up here there I could see usefulness. Then there is a third type of sub to consider, the carrier.

Still subs seem like the best way to go to me because they have a natural defense. I imagine they are hard to detect and difficult to destroy at least without the right kind of weaponry.

How do you guys feel about surface ships? They seem very naked to me especially the larger ones. Their presence is hard to miss again the bigger they are would lead me to say is a disadvantage. Aerospace assets can hunt them with impunity.
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Re: Naval (Blue Water) Vessels
« Reply #33 on: February 19, 2012, 02:54:58 PM »
You can stack some pretty serious AA firepower on the larger ships. Additionally, surface vessels are absolutely not designed for solo operation. They operate in fleets, stacking support roles and covering each others weaknesses.
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Re: Naval (Blue Water) Vessels
« Reply #34 on: February 19, 2012, 03:44:01 PM »
Do you want a comparison in-game, or in reality?  In game, subs strike me as horribly limited and complex; the Star League may have fooled around with them, but their utility for anything other than all-out war is nonexistent.  Surface ships are better, but the ridiculousness of BT's weapon set robs them of everything which makes real naval ships awesome.
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Re: Naval (Blue Water) Vessels
« Reply #35 on: February 20, 2012, 02:18:37 PM »
Quote from: Halvagor on February 19, 2012, 03:44:01 PM
but their utility for anything other than all-out war is nonexistent.

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