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Tau Ceti Rangers
« on: February 18, 2010, 10:56:04 PM »
Rainbow 6 Tau Ceti Rangers « on: October 04, 2009, 01:49:18 PM »

I've been looking at a friends original Mercenary Handbook and the Waco Rangers apparently formed from the shattered remnants of the 1st Tau Ceti Rangers which was either a regular CCAF command or chartered mercenary regiment, it doesn't say one way or the other.

Should this regiment be in the TRAF or a mercenary command?

Takiro Re: Tau Ceti Rangers « Reply #1 on: October 04, 2009, 08:06:42 PM »

That is tough to say Six, I was aware of their existence thanks to the Waco Rangers. The 4th is the only regiment in the SLSB to be listed. It is possible that the Tau Ceti Rangers were a group of regiments from the Hegemony who over time grew close to Liao.

What I could do is say a few members of the 1st and their colors survived the Coup with the 4th but they lack the numbers to compose their own unit. However we could reconstitute the unit as the second TCR unit for the TRAS.

Thoughts?

Ice Hellion Re: Tau Ceti Rangers « Reply #2 on: October 05, 2009, 01:46:39 PM »

It could work but maybe this time Liao does not trust them.

Hessian Re: Tau Ceti Rangers « Reply #3 on: October 05, 2009, 01:54:49 PM »

Quote from: Takiro on October 04, 2009, 08:06:42 PM

What I could do is say a few members of the 1st and their colors survived the Coup with the 4th but they lack the numbers to compose their own unit. However we could reconstitute the unit as the second TCR unit for the TRAS.

Thoughts?

Sounds possible to me.
If you decide to reconstitute them Takiro, I'd however recommend to remake them in the image of Waco's Rangers rather than the 4th Tau Ceti Rangers(aka like sellswords, troublesome, etc.)

P.S.:
I wonder why (AFAIK) this hasn't been mentioned in later sourcebooks....

LordGrayson Re: Tau Ceti Rangers « Reply #4 on: October 05, 2009, 02:07:04 PM »

 I think it was just a misprint and might of ment the 1st Batt of the 4th Tau Ceti Rangers and not the regiment as nothing else in cannon supports there being any other ranger regiments and considering the number of errors in some of the FASA books I just put it down to a statement that the 4th disbanded its 1st Batt and later reformed it or renamed/number their old batt's.

 That aside there is nothing wrong with additional regiments being added Smiley Given the large number of people that fled the TH more then a few could have come from New Earth and they could easily have been members of the other Tau Ceti Ranger regiments that grouped together and formed/reformed a older regiment like the 1st and went on to be merc's.

 Also could join up with the TR as a merc/noble ? unit causing some Drama with the 4th TCR's as to who is the real TCR's but I agree with Hessian they really need to be different and have a personality all there own.

Rainbow 6 Re: Tau Ceti Rangers « Reply #5 on: October 05, 2009, 02:41:33 PM »

How about making them the training unit for the Turin Lancers?

When the Liao regiment is ready they could either return to the Republic and be expanded into a TRAF regiment or become a 'proper' mercenary regiment with the 1st Tau Ceti name.

Takiro Re: Tau Ceti Rangers « Reply #6 on: October 05, 2009, 04:01:52 PM »

Not a bad idea Six.

I tend to agree that the 1st was a misprint or insignificant blurb given no credence by TPTB. Has the regiment was never expanded on or further detailed.

The 1st should have its own feel?? Hmm, if you guys have further suggestions on this theme please post them. I was going to follow a TCR "feel".

Ice Hellion Re: Tau Ceti Rangers « Reply #7 on: October 05, 2009, 05:01:13 PM »

What is a TCR feel?

What we do know about the 4th Tau Ceti Rangers is summarized below:
- they are a Star League unit that stayed behind
- they are loyal to House Liao
- the command is said not to be hereditary (FM: CC) but they are strongly linked to the Branderberg family (House Liao Sourcebook) although in FM: CC there is no longer any Branderberg among the top officers.
- they are a "fire brigade"
- they are heavy oriented (favourite 'Mechs: Vindicator and Marauder)
- they were part of the 81st Motorized Infantry Division

One more thing but with no confirmation whatsoever (unless you find it).
- they have independent command rights

Takiro Re: Tau Ceti Rangers « Reply #8 on: October 05, 2009, 06:56:58 PM »

I was going to make them the Airborne Rangers of the New Republic. Essentially they would be highly skilled at making special orbital insertions. Don't just expect them to land their dropships somewhere they'll be coming in hot. Shocked

Ice Hellion Re: Tau Ceti Rangers « Reply #9 on: October 06, 2009, 02:44:41 PM »

It looks cool but why not go for a CAAN unit for those missions?

Rainbow 6 Re: Tau Ceti Rangers « Reply #10 on: October 06, 2009, 02:53:16 PM »

Traditional rivalry, Marines are navy, airborne are army.

Ice Hellion Re: Tau Ceti Rangers « Reply #11 on: October 06, 2009, 03:03:45 PM »

True but those Marines are the naval contribution to the Army.
Why reinvent the wheel?

Rainbow 6 Re: Tau Ceti Rangers « Reply #12 on: October 06, 2009, 03:13:20 PM »

Military Tradition is a strange thing.

Takiro Re: Tau Ceti Rangers « Reply #13 on: October 06, 2009, 03:57:18 PM »

Inter-service rivalry is a wonderful thing. Wink While the Tau Ceti Rangers are insertion specialists they are trained to fight on a more traditional (army centric) battlefield. That is a normal habitable world. As conditions become more exotic the Royal Marines would have the upper hand. Say fighting on airless asteroids or underwater.

LordGrayson Re: Tau Ceti Rangers « Reply #14 on: October 07, 2009, 01:58:13 AM »

 It kinda how do you want to define the SLDF's idea of a "Fire Brigade" as to how the regiment would get built and outfitted.
 I can see the rangers being used as insertion spec's ,to being a unit out fitted with nothing but heavy energy weapons and heavy fast mechs (108 Flashmen running toward you might be one idea of a Fire Brigade in SLDF times)

 I do think each TCR regiment is going to be different and not carbon copy's of each other. Also they don't appear to get access to the MAD's until sometime after the 2nd SW in cannon history so I'm not sure they would have large amounts of that mech at this time but they could of easily had them and lost them only to fall back into love with them later on.
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« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2010, 11:02:09 PM »
Takiro Re: Tau Ceti Rangers « Reply #15 on: October 07, 2009, 05:44:29 AM »

What is meant by the term "fire brigade" anyhow? Huh Are they fire fighters? First responders to "hot spots"? Or users of particular armaments? Where is this reference made??

LordGrayson Re: Tau Ceti Rangers « Reply #16 on: October 07, 2009, 12:34:21 PM »

Its a statement from the 4TCR's mission profile and never says what it really means read a few post up Ice posted a few things known about the 4th.

Quote from: Ice Hellion on October 05, 2009, 05:01:13 PM
What is a TCR feel?

What we do know about the 4th Tau Ceti Rangers is summarized below:
- they are a Star League unit that stayed behind
- they are loyal to House Liao
- the command is said not to be hereditary (FM: CC) but they are strongly linked to the Branderberg family (House Liao Sourcebook) although in FM: CC there is no longer any Branderberg among the top officers.
- they are a "fire brigade"
- they are heavy oriented (favourite 'Mechs: Vindicator and Marauder)
- they were part of the 81st Motorized Infantry Division

One more thing but with no confirmation whatsoever (unless you find it).
- they have independent command rights

Rainbow 6 Re: Tau Ceti Rangers « Reply #17 on: October 07, 2009, 01:20:55 PM »

Fire brigades are typically used for emergency deployments to re-inforce a crumbling from line.

Historically the ss panzer & panzergreadier divisions were used in this role late on in ww2.

Takiro Re: Tau Ceti Rangers « Reply #18 on: October 07, 2009, 01:56:02 PM »

I saw that LordGrayson, but I was literally asking what is meant by the term fire brigade? Someone suggested their offensive firepower and now Six has another plausible explanation. Except for fire fighters I can't find any military usage of that term. If someone could site the entire sentence or paragraph perhaps we could read into it.

Ice Hellion Re: Tau Ceti Rangers « Reply #19 on: October 07, 2009, 04:56:19 PM »

Rainbow6 is right in his definition of what a fire brigade is (except when you are talking about firemen  Wink)

And for the quote, here it is:
"With the outbreak of the Third Succession War, the Rangers were transferred to the Liao-Marik border, where its hight proficiency made it ideal as a quick-reaction force against Marik raiders. It has remained in this "fire-brigade" role throughout the war, participating in the valiant defence of Les Halles in 2952." (source House Liao Sourcebook)

Takiro Re: Tau Ceti Rangers « Reply #20 on: October 07, 2009, 08:57:52 PM »

That provides much better context. So they fill the gap in a pinch. I could see that becoming one of their specialties.

Ice Hellion Re: Tau Ceti Rangers « Reply #21 on: October 08, 2009, 04:34:19 PM »

Quote from: Takiro on October 07, 2009, 08:57:52 PM
That provides much better context. So they fill the gap in a pinch. I could see that becoming one of their specialties.

I thought that "fire brigade" was quite obvious but nevermind.

I think that going for a quick deployment force is a good think but let's not focus on the defensive and counter strike sides as when House Liao was on the offensive (yes this happened) the 4th was there too.

Rainbow 6 Re: Tau Ceti Rangers « Reply #22 on: October 08, 2009, 04:45:12 PM »

Kinda off topic but will the DLC fill a similar niche in the TRAF as the TCR?

Ice Hellion Re: Tau Ceti Rangers « Reply #23 on: October 08, 2009, 04:49:13 PM »

Quote from: Rainbow 6 on October 08, 2009, 04:45:12 PM
Kinda off topic but will the DLC fill a similar niche in the TRAF as the TCR?

I don't know but next time I am going to GM when someone writes sentences with LLTMN  Tongue

LordGrayson Re: Tau Ceti Rangers « Reply #24 on: October 09, 2009, 02:31:29 AM »

DLC and the TCR's are different in size as the(only got the 4th DLC for what the DLC actually looked like during SL) DLC is huge(1mech and a few other regiments and a air arm) compared to the single regiment of mechs the rangers have.
 But they do seem to have many of the same missions as in fast response but then theres the weight different as the 4th TCR's seemed to like heavier mechs as the DLC was geared more to lighter designs.

Takiro Re: Tau Ceti Rangers « Reply #25 on: October 09, 2009, 06:12:30 PM »

Well for BTSD just take a look at Field Manual - Terran Republic 2785 to see the current size of the Tau Ceti Rangers;

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To augment their overall strength the 349th and the 277th Dragoon Regiments formerly of the Star League were attached as the 5th and 6th Tau Ceti Rangers.

and the Deneb Light Cavalry;

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Shortly after the birth of the Republic the 997th Striker Regiment, the 3rd Strike Regiment, and the 167th Light Horse Regiment all joined the roster of the Deneb Light Cavalry. The Terran Royal Command wanted these units to become just as adept with rapid deployment operations as the Fourth was. There is still some tension in the newly expanded Light Cavalry as the 4th and 5th (formerly the 997th) still clash on a few issues. The rivalry between the two units has so far been beneficial with each learning from the other. Both these highly skilled units were quickly declared ready by General McDennis and are currently training the 6th (formerly the 3rd) and the 7th (formerly the 167th) in quick reaction tactics. All units of the Deneb Light Cavalry have been placed on high alert following Bolan seizure by the Lyran Commonwealth and are ready to go in moments notice to defend the Terran Republic.

So the TRAS has 3 Tau Ceti Rangers and 4 Deneb Light Cavalrys in 2785.

LordGrayson Re: Tau Ceti Rangers « Reply #26 on: October 10, 2009, 04:32:09 PM »

actually I was giving the differents between the two units canon wise Smiley not SD as the TRAS Rangers are a bit larger then the cannon formation for the SLDF rangers Smiley

Ice Hellion Re: Tau Ceti Rangers « Reply #27 on: October 11, 2009, 01:20:15 PM »

The Deneb Light Cavalry is a quick-reaction unit per construction (cf. its description in House Davion Sourcebook) while the 4th Tau Ceti Rangers is a quick-reaction unit because of its proficiency and high moral (cf. its description in House Liao Sourcebook) and they become a quick-reaction unit much later in history (around the 3rd Succession War) when their higher standards gave them an advantage over the usual Liao units that were probably used previously in this role.

Rainbow 6 Re: Tau Ceti Rangers « Reply #28 on: October 11, 2009, 03:17:48 PM »

To be fair most Liao units used in that role were probably destroyed by that point of the 3rd SW.

Ice Hellion Re: Tau Ceti Rangers « Reply #29 on: October 12, 2009, 03:34:38 PM »

Quote from: Rainbow 6 on October 11, 2009, 03:17:48 PM
To be fair most Liao units used in that role were probably destroyed by that point of the 3rd SW.

Another option but I still think that somehow House Liao managed to rebuild its most well-known/prestigious units but with a decrease in quality, meaning they needed the 4th.
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