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Era Report 2750
« on: May 11, 2012, 06:04:45 AM »
Ok folks lets discuss Era Report 2750 and its effects on the BTSD setting.  ;)
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Re: Era Report 2750
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2012, 07:18:26 AM »
Well Cameron might of stayed alive if he had listened to his Bodyguard. If he did things would of went along a different arc
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Re: Era Report 2750
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2012, 07:39:13 AM »
Quote from: Gabriel on May 11, 2012, 07:18:26 AM
Well Cameron might of stayed alive if he had listened to his Bodyguard. If he did things would of went along a different arc

Could have seen that second Reunification War someone predicted...  ;)
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Re: Era Report 2750
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2012, 08:02:15 AM »
Yeah imagine if he had held things together for a bit longer or since we presume he was assassinated the next attempt gets Simon and Richard instead and Elizabeth becomes heir.
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Re: Era Report 2750
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2012, 08:42:44 AM »
An interesting what if guys. Did you happen to see all the new units revealed in the book? From those described in detail to those listed in the War of Davion Succession around page 30. Very interesting!
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Re: Era Report 2750
« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2012, 10:09:21 AM »
The regiments listed for House Davion and House Liao in particular was pretty revealing. Looks like the Draconis March and Sandoval Household was really savaged by the 1st SW.
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Re: Era Report 2750
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2012, 11:16:45 AM »
For those of us who have not yet gotten a copy of the ER can you provide a brief overview of the units for each house?
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Re: Era Report 2750
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2012, 05:59:00 PM »
Yes please Info would be great
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Re: Era Report 2750
« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2012, 12:34:37 AM »
Working on it gang. Here is a list of units from Table of Contents. These units are described in detail in typical Era Report fashion. Gonna work on grabbing the names listed in the War of Davion Succession again tomorrow.

Capellan Confederation
Eighth Liao Lancers
First Capellan Chargers
Third Chesterton Cavalry
Andurien Heavy Guard
Sixteenth Sian Dragoons

Draconis Combine
First Galedon Regulars
Fourth Sword of Light
Fifth Benjamin Regulars
First Rasalhague Regulars
First Proserpina Hussars

Federated Suns
Davion Heavy Guards
Fourth Davion Guards
Sixth Syrtis Fusiliers
First Avalon Hussars
Seventh Tancredi Loyalists

Free Worlds League
First Free Worlds Guards
Tenth Atrean Dragoons
Sixth Marik Militia
Ducal Guard
First Regulan Hussars

Lyran Commonwealth
First Arcturan Guards
Second Lyran Guards
First Donegal Guards
Fourth Skye Rangers
First Royal Guards

Star League Defense Force
Seventh Royal BattleMech Division
500th BattleMech Brigade
Star League Expeditionary Brigade
Twenty-first Royal Jump Infantry Division
Third Royal BattleMech Division
Thirteenth Royal Infantry Division
Seventy-Seventh Royal BattleMech Brigade
331st Royal BattleMech Division
Forty-second Engineering Brigade
Twentieth Royal CAAN Marine Regiment

Rim Worlds Republic
Amaris Republican Guards
First Amaris Armored
Fifth Amaris Fusiliers
Third Amaris Legionnaires
Eighth Republican Legionnaires

The Terran Hegemony, Magistracy of Canopus, Outworlds Alliance, and Taurian Concordat all have factional write ups but no unit descriptions. Back to work!
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Re: Era Report 2750
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2012, 02:41:10 AM »
So we get more details about the RWR forces?
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"In turn they tested each Clan namesake
in trial against the Ice Hellion's mettle.
Each chased the Ice Hellion, hunting it down.
All failed to match the predator's speed and grace.
Khan Cage smiled and said, "And that is how we shall be."

The Remembrance (Clan Ice Hellion) Passage 5, Verse 3, Lines 1 - 5

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Re: Era Report 2750
« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2012, 09:30:36 AM »
Yes Ice as I indicated you get more about the Rim. Unfortunately we don't get Deployment Tables for this time period. Wish we did. Love to see those in the upcoming Field Manual. I know it is going to show the SLDF but giving us the House and Periphery forces would be the bestest. Anyhow here is a list of units I gleaned from a much more detailed look at the War of Davion Succession then we have ever seen. Good read with only one glaring mistake.

Units Participating in the War of Davion Succession (2725-2729)

DCMS
Fourth Sword of Light Brigade
Tenth Sword of Light
Eleventh Sword of Light
Twelfth Sword of Light
Ninth Proserpina Hussars
First Galedon Regulars Brigade
First Galedon Regulars
Third Galedon Regulars
Fourth Galedon Regulars
Eighth Galedon Regulars
Third Benjamin Regulars
Fifth Benjamin Regulars
Sixth Benjamin Regulars
Eleventh Benjamin Regulars
Fourteenth Benjamin Regulars

AFFS
Third Davion Guards
Fourth Davion Guards
First Avalon Hussars
Fourteenth Avalon Hussars
Sixteenth Avalon Hussars
First Robinson Chevaliers
Fourth Robinson Chevaliers
Seventh Robinson Chevaliers
Fifth Robinson Rangers
Seventh Tancredi Loyalists
Fourth Deneb Light Cavalry*

Draconis Brigades! If you’ll notice the designation of the 4th Sword of Light and the 1st Galedon Regulars it brings up the issue just how big were these units. The write up makes it clear to me that the 4th SoL Brigade was composed of the 10th, 11th, and 12th SoL regiments. However the 1st Galedon Brigade has no such clear organizational moment. The 1st Galedon Regulars are separated from the Brigade as the war continues but no other unit is a clear member of the Brigade. The 4th Galedon Regulars maybe as it shows up suddenly IMO with a single mention. The 3rd Galedon Regulars aren’t part of the 1st Brigade and join the war later as an entirely new force. Given a simple numbering system you’d think they’d be part of the 1st Brigade but it could be any Galedon force. In any case you have two brigades composed of at least 3 Mech regiments operating as a force in the War of Davion Succession. It is interesting to see a House deploy a Mech Brigade of multi regiments into battle.

Several regiments of Proserpina Hussars were present during the invasion of Proserpina by Davion forces indicating a large formation. Another possible Brigade?

The 4th Deneb Light Cavalry is specifically referred to as part of Prince Joseph’s Army of the Crucis being assembled on Robinson. This has to be an error as the 4th Deneb by several accounts joins the AFFS after the Exodus (2785) to save their homeworld from starving. A goof up or a retcon? IMO it is a glaring error but a nice job overall.
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Re: Era Report 2750
« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2012, 11:33:24 AM »
4th Sword of Light Brigade with the 10th, 11th and 12th Sword of Light Regiments?

This is logical and just shows that House Kurita knows the value of concentrating their best units in bigger units for a bigger impact on the battlefield when 'Mechs are more numerous.

I think we would have the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th Sword of Light Brigades.

The question is more should we consider them pure 'Mech units or mixed units?
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"In turn they tested each Clan namesake
in trial against the Ice Hellion's mettle.
Each chased the Ice Hellion, hunting it down.
All failed to match the predator's speed and grace.
Khan Cage smiled and said, "And that is how we shall be."

The Remembrance (Clan Ice Hellion) Passage 5, Verse 3, Lines 1 - 5

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Re: Era Report 2750
« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2012, 12:02:07 PM »
It seems like in the War of Davion Succession the 4th SoL Brigade consisted of 3 Mech regiments. Supporting units would likely be attached but not on a permenant basis. It is weird to note however that the unit description of the 4th Sword of Light speaks about a regiment of Mechs specifically. Very confusing.
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Re: Era Report 2750
« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2012, 05:08:23 PM »
Quote from: Ice Hellion on May 12, 2012, 11:33:24 AM
4th Sword of Light Brigade with the 10th, 11th and 12th Sword of Light Regiments?

This is logical and just shows that House Kurita knows the value of concentrating their best units in bigger units for a bigger impact on the battlefield when 'Mechs are more numerous.

I think we would have the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th Sword of Light Brigades.

The question is more should we consider them pure 'Mech units or mixed units?

There's probably a 5th SoL Brigade, which would get us to the 15th SoL regiment mentioned several times in TROs 3025 & 3039.  If during the Succession Wars these brigades were reduced to the strength of regiments, and then reorganized into the regimental structure we know since 3025 (as prior SoL organization descriptions report that the regiments were reorganized several times) then this actually goes a long way to fixing what seemed to be prior errors.  And there's a long history of units amalgamating as times become hard; in BT, look at the Fusiliers of Oriente description in the 3025-era House Marik sourcebook; in real life, look up the British Army, which has undergone repeated series of unit amalgamations since WWII. 

As for the 1st Galedon Brigade, things don't have to make nice orderly numbers.  While the army of the Republic of Georgia has its 3rd Brigade consisting of the 31st, 32nd, and 33rd Battalions, the US 1st Marine Division consists of the 1st, 5th, and 7th Marine (Infantry) Regiments, as well as regiments numbered for 4th Marines, though 4th Marine Regiment (the headquarters) is part of 3rd Marine Division; the 2nd Marine Division has the 2nd, 6th, 8th Marine Regiments (and the headquarters), but also the three battalions numbered for 9th Marines, though no 9th Marine Regiment headquarters exists.  3rd Marine Division, meanwhile, consists of the 3rd Marine Regiment's battalions and headquarters, as well as the headquarters of 4th Marine Regiment. 

There's no rhyme or reason to this, many military formations evolve haphazardly, and the 1st Galedon Brigade may well be the same way.  The SoL Brigades, however, as the apex of DCMS prestige units, are more likely to remain per the strict structure.
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Re: Era Report 2750
« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2012, 02:53:57 AM »
Quote from: Halvagor on May 12, 2012, 05:08:23 PM
There's probably a 5th SoL Brigade, which would get us to the 15th SoL regiment mentioned several times in TROs 3025 & 3039.  If during the Succession Wars these brigades were reduced to the strength of regiments, and then reorganized into the regimental structure we know since 3025 (as prior SoL organization descriptions report that the regiments were reorganized several times) then this actually goes a long way to fixing what seemed to be prior errors.

This makes a lot of sense.
Where did you find these references to a 15th Sword of Light Regiment?
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"In turn they tested each Clan namesake
in trial against the Ice Hellion's mettle.
Each chased the Ice Hellion, hunting it down.
All failed to match the predator's speed and grace.
Khan Cage smiled and said, "And that is how we shall be."

The Remembrance (Clan Ice Hellion) Passage 5, Verse 3, Lines 1 - 5
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