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RW Supplemental House Deployment Tables
« on: September 07, 2011, 08:24:14 PM »

Want to get this start now. Perhaps we should start with House Davion as our deployment from Threat Assessments 2785 is a pretty indicator.
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Re: RW Supplemental House Deployment Tables
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2011, 08:44:08 PM »

Let me quote RW for some troop numbers.

Pre-war (2575)
AFFS: 88 regiments
CCAF: 61 regiments
DCMS: 94 regiments
FWLM: 115 regiments
LCAF: 96 regiments

Post-war (2600)
AFFS: 81 regiments
CCAF: 65 regiments
DCMS: 85 regiments
FWLM: 90 regiments
LCAF: 85 regiments
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Re: RW Supplemental House Deployment Tables
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2011, 03:31:15 PM »

What do you want?
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Re: RW Supplemental House Deployment Tables
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2011, 10:30:43 PM »

To spawn a discussion on the units of the Reunification War using info generated for Threat Assessments 2785. By doing this we should be able to craft two great products and establish better lines of battle then canon. Davion for starters! Basically the exercise is to cut the AFFS by using historical notes from 140 Mech Regiments to 88. We can take out a bunch of their National Commands like the Crucis Lancers which weren't even founded until the fall of the Star League but made Historical RW. Also gone are the Ceti Hussars (founded by Prince John during the League) and the Andalusian Cazadores who replaced the Deneb Light Cavalry in canon (who of course joined the AFFS post Star League). 6 regiments gone off the top. For Training Cadres the Albion stays but the NAMA is a decade away from being founded so they can be left of our 88 regiment total saving us three. More tomorrow as I look at Regional Commands then Independents (which could be cut altogether or changed you'll see what I mean) and concluding with March Militias (which cuts appear to be only minimal if any). We are currently at 131 of 88 - 43 more regiments to cut. Lot of work to do! More to come!!
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Re: RW Supplemental House Deployment Tables
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2011, 08:27:29 AM »

Well we get some interesting info in RW- (32-33)  We know that before the formation of the SL the AFFS was 125 regiments- 37 would be transferred to the SLDF.  Among those transferred were:
The entire Terran Brigade (We can tie this in with what I did for the Clovis Guard where I assumed there was a Terran Guard/brigade)
Half of the Syrtis Fusiliers
a number of former private regiments

From page 65 we know the following units fought for the AFFS in the RW:
1st, 7th, 11th, 20th, 33rd Avalon Hussars
5th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th Syrtis Fusiliers
Davion Brigade of Guards

Based on the existance of the Terran Brigade, we can assume there was similar one for the Periphery March which was probably disbanded when the Periphery March was disbanded.  The Avalon Hussars probably represent between a quarter and a third of the AFFS' strength in 2575, with the Davion Brigade of Guards representing about 1/8th  of their forces. 

I think our force size for 2785 is probably okay, it's just a matter of going back and making sure that we don't have too many in service during 2575.  Most of the units we need to cut can probably come from the regional forces.  And maybe even the March Militias- we  can if need be, turn them into a way that Davion bypassed the force limits, by making them reserves or militia that did not count towards the limits imposed by the SL on Army sizes. 
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Re: RW Supplemental House Deployment Tables
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2011, 10:31:46 AM »

Great stuff Irose, I will factor all that information into our Supplemental. Good for an overview. I don't intend on going into too much detail with the Supplemental though as TA2785 will be the book for unit histories and in depth review.

My research into the structure of the AFFS circa 2575 continued this morning with a delightful review of Irose’s writings for TA2785. Incredibly detailed it has been a pleasure to read and glean specifics for Davion strength leading up to the Reunification.

Independent Commands
While I have found evidence to suggest that these commands have existed throughout Davion history and have a place in the AFFS it is very possible that none are operational as of 2575. Most were folded into Regional Defense Commands at the end of the Davion Civil War or perhaps even the SLDF. So if we take out all 5 regiments from this area in TA2785 we are that much closer to our goal of 88 regiments. During the next 25 years that the Reunification War occurs in these units appear to make a comeback based on successful formations of the Star League. As many as 4 regiments could be added before 2600.

For ease of review I’ve combined Regional Defense Commands and March Militias into one look at each Combat Region starting with the Crucis March.

Crucis March

Anjin Muerto Combat Region
1st Anjin Muerto Caballeros (2nd was founded after 2600) [-1 AMC]
Anjin Muerto CrMM

Broken Wheel Combat Region
1st & 2nd Broken Wheel Charioteers (no expansion despite plans)
Broken Wheel CrMM

Islamabad Combat Region (MoS revision necessary per Age of War book)
1st Messengers of Shiva (2nd created in 2578 while the 3rd was founded after 2600) [-2*]
Islamabad CrMM

Kestrel Combat Region
1st & 2nd Kestrel Grenadiers (3rd was founded after 2600) [-1 KG]
Kestrel CrMM

June Combat Region (becomes the Killarny CR after the Reunification War)
1st June Javelins (eventually becomes the Killarney Kerns following the RW) [-2 KK]
June CrMM (eventually becomes the Killarney CrMM following the RW)

Marlette Combat Region
1st & 2nd Marlette Musketeers (3rd was not re-founded until the early 2600s, 4th & 5th were
founded after 2600) [-3 MM]
Marlette CrMM

New Avalon Combat Region
1st, 2nd, & 3rd Avalon Borders (4th was founded after 2600) [-1 AB]
New Avalon CrMM

Point Barrow Combat Region
1st Point Barrow Bulldogs (2nd was founded after 2600) [-1 PBB]
Point Barrow CrMM

Remagen Combat Region (home of the Remagen Panzer Brigade)1st & 2nd Remagen Panzers (3rd was founded after 2600) [-1 RPB]
Remagen CrMM

Tsamma Combat Region
1st Tsamma Kommandos (2nd was founded after 2600) [-1 TK]
Tsamma CrMM

As you can see the strength of the March Militias remain mostly unaffected so our total for the Crucis March is really only affected by the subtraction of certain RDCs. 13 regiments are not in fact present during this time (2575) but one is added during the RW (prior to 2600).

So we have cut an additional 18 regiments thus far today. Our currently is looking good at 113 regiments - only 25 regiments to cut. Draconis and Capellan Marches will follow!
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Re: RW Supplemental House Deployment Tables
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2011, 11:41:13 AM »

Ok think the numbers on the Capellan March are done!

Capellan March

Chesterton Combat Region
1st, 2nd, & 3rd Chesterton Dragoons (3rd destroyed & 4th created after 2600)
Chesterton CMM

Emerson Combat Region
1st & 2nd Emerson Pikemen (3rd & 4th created after 2600) [-2 EP]
Emerson CMM

Hobbs Combat Region
1st, 2nd, 3rd, & 4th Hobbs Guards (later known as the Hospitallers) [+1 HH]
Hobbs CMM

Die Moot Combat Region
1st & 2nd Die Moot Armored Legion (later known as the Lothair Legionaries)
Die Moot CMM

New Syrtis Combat Region (revision necessary for the 9th)
Syrtis Fusiliers (8 regiments)
New Syrtis CMM

(Pleiades Combat Region)
Made up entirely of worlds taken from the Taurian Concordat during the Reunification War we do not have to account for a RDC or a CMM [-4 regiments]

A minor revision may have to be made to account for the Syrtis Fusiliers participating in the RW and the ones in TA2785. The unit numbers from TA2785 show the 1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 10th but H:RW has the 5th, 7th, 8th, 9th, and 10th participating. The easiest fix is to swap the unit histories of the 6th and the 9th.

So in the end not much cutting going on for the Capellan Mech with only 5 regiments being cut. Not as much as I would like making our current total 108 regiments - with 20 regiments to cut. Next up the Draconis March!
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Re: RW Supplemental House Deployment Tables
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2011, 12:14:35 AM »


A minor revision may have to be made to account for the Syrtis Fusiliers participating in the RW and the ones in TA2785. The unit numbers from TA2785 show the 1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 10th but H:RW has the 5th, 7th, 8th, 9th, and 10th participating. The easiest fix is to swap the unit histories of the 6th and the 9th.


I'd keep the 6th- since they are a canon unit that still exists in 3025.  We could swap the 1st, 3rd or 4th. 
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Re: RW Supplemental House Deployment Tables
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2011, 07:37:37 AM »

Well how about the 1st or 3rd then - we got to many odd numbers for the Fusiliers. ;)
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Re: RW Supplemental House Deployment Tables
« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2011, 08:23:21 AM »

That's fine- I have to reread what I wrote to decide which would be the best to change.

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Re: RW Supplemental House Deployment Tables
« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2011, 09:14:20 AM »

Sounds good Irose.

Well I have high hopes that the Draconis March will put us in the right area for 88 regiments but lets see.

Draconis March

Clovis Combat Region
1st & 4th Clovis Guards (7th & 12th created after 2600) [-2 CG]
Clovis DMM

Robinson Combat Region
1st Robinson Reivers (2nd & 3rd created after 2600) [-2 RR]
Robinson DMM

Franklin Combat Region
1st, 2nd, & 3rd Franklin Gorgons (no change)
Franklin DMM

Verde Combat Region
1st & 2nd Verde Lancers (3rd created after 2600) [-1 VL]
Verde DMM

Tancredi Combat Region
1st Tancredi Roughriders (2nd created during RW while 3rd created after 2600) [-2*]
Tancredi DMM

Kilbourne Combat Region
1st Kilbourne Defenders (2nd created during RW) [-1*]
Kilbourne DMM


108 regiments - with 20 regiments to cut. Next up the Draconis March!

That gives us 8 less regiments to deal with from the Draconis March. Unfortunately that leaves us with a total of 100 regiments with 12 more needing to be cut in order to make our goal of 88 regiments. That will require deeper cuts in the Avalon Hussars and Davion Guard than I had envisioned.

Plus we’ve got growth during the RW where the Historical has decline. So that has to be addressed. 

As for the Terran and Outworld Brigades I see them as successors to their respective March Forces which were likely reorganized and never truly trusted after the Davion Civil War. As a result they were the “choice” units to be gifted entirely to the SLDF.
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Re: RW Supplemental House Deployment Tables
« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2011, 10:23:55 AM »


Plus we’ve got growth during the RW where the Historical has decline. So that has to be addressed. 


Some of that can be address simply through battlefield losses. There is no way the AFFS fought the TC and did not lose at least a few regiments.  We can play a slight of hand game saying the regiments were not rebuilt until the early 2600s, making it easy to get around the decrease in the size of the AFFS.  Also we can drop 3 regiments through the pitcairn legion- that was 3 regiments taken from the Davion Brigade of Guards- possibilities include that in 2600 they were still being called mercs by the AFFS or that many of the soldiers never rejoined the AFFS, retiring from service instead or that they were used as reinforcements for other units, rather then rebuilding the Brigade (what I would suggest is that in the late 2570s we have 3 regiments of the Brigade temporarily disbanded due to the troops being assigned to the Pitcairn Legion, and not rebuilt until the 2600s)
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Re: RW Supplemental House Deployment Tables
« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2011, 11:15:27 AM »

I agree with your assessment there Irose especially when it comes to the Davion Guards. The Pitcairn Legion really can't be folded back in publicly anyway so there is a large degree of wink wink nod nod there. Casualties to the Syrtis Fusiliers and the Avalon Hussars likely cover the rest. With the growth in the RDCs I'd say we have to lose 10 regiments by 2600 and the end of the Reunification War.

For the 12 regiments left to cut most of them are likely to come out of the Avalon Hussars who would fall from 26 regiments in TA2785 to 14 regiments at the start of the RW. Unless you see other areas to be cut from.
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Re: RW Supplemental House Deployment Tables
« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2011, 02:45:24 PM »

We could have some of the outback March Militias not forming until the early 2600s due to being a low priority/lack of equipment. 

We can also rewrite some of the Regional forces so that they formed after 2600.  I think cutting the Hussars to 14 mech regiments is to low- I would have them with at least 20 regiments.
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Re: RW Supplemental House Deployment Tables
« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2011, 03:19:56 PM »

I think the Hobbs Guards are too large for one at this time. Their strength could be lowered. Which RDCs would you say have no strength then at this time?
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