Topic: Dark Age Vehicles updated for Total Warfare. (Read 4562 times)

JPArbiter · « **on:** September 13, 2012, 10:53:31 PM »

TRO 3075 and 3085 showed uys dark age vehicles with gear that is unique rtather then muchy or not legal to the game, so I have been pouring through dissers on warrenborn.com to build vehicles that are just as awesome. first is the JESII Missile Carrier.

the JESI (well the engine update one) is a great Short ranged carrier, and the JESII is an update to the Heavy LRM carrier. for me an improved III model should emphasize tactical flexibility, so I fell back on the old MML. I removed the machine guns mounted in the dark age model, beliving inferno SMRS and regular SRMs cover short ranged worries, probably better then the Kickers did. I added CASE to protect the massive ammo bins and reduced the armor and cheapened the engine to reflect that this is a fire support unit in need of protection.

JES IIIb

Mass: 60 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Wheeled
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Dark Ages
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E
Production Year: 0
Cost: 2,082,750 C-Bills
Battle Value: 774

Power Plant: 160 Fusion Engine
Cruise Speed: 32.4 km/h
Flanking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Armor: Standard Armor
Armament:
4 MML-9s
1 Unknown CASE
Manufacturer:
Primary Factory:
Communications System:
Targeting and Tracking System:

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Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Internal Structure: Standard 30 points 6.00
Engine: Fusion Engine 160 9.00
Cruise MP: 3
Flank MP: 5
Heat Sinks: Single Heat Sink 10 0.00
Control Equipment: 3.00
Lift Equipment: 0.00
Turret: 2.50
Armor: Standard Armor AV - 112 7.00

Armor
Factor
Front 29
Left/Right 24/24
Turret 20
Rear 15

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Equipment Location Heat Spaces Mass
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4 MML-9s T 20 4 24.00
CASE BD - 1 0.50
@MML-9 (SRM) (11) BD - 0 1.00
@MML-9 (SRM Inferno) (11) BD - 0 1.00
@MML-9 (LRM) (78) BD - 0 6.00

BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 4 Points: 8
3 0 0 0 0 3 0 Structure: 3
Special Abilities: CASE, SRM 3/1/0, LRM 0/1/1, IF 1

JPArbiter · « **Reply #1 on:** September 13, 2012, 11:00:14 PM »

The Lamprey had a lot of potential for me, but it's extant equipment made it a flying tank hauling a single Battle armor squad. being a Taurian deisng it was time to call in the Light autocannon to provide ample support as opposed to point blank SRM showers.

Lamprey Transport VTOL

Mass: 30 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: VTOL
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Dark Ages
Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/X-X-F
Production Year: 3132
Cost: 1,289,000 C-Bills
Battle Value: 449

Power Plant: 130 Fusion Engine
Cruise Speed: 97.2 km/h
Flanking Speed: 151.2 km/h
Armor: Standard Armor
Armament:
1 Light AC/5
2 Rocket Launcher 10s
1 Infantry Compartment (4.0 tons)
Manufacturer:
Primary Factory:
Communications System:
Targeting and Tracking System:

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Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Internal Structure: Standard 15 points 3.00
Engine: Fusion Engine 130 7.00
Cruise MP: 9
Flank MP: 14
Heat Sinks: Single Heat Sink 10 0.00
Control Equipment: 1.50
Lift Equipment: 3.00
Armor: Standard Armor AV - 56 3.50

Armor
Factor
Front 16
Left/Right 14/14
Rear 10
Rotor 2

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Equipment Location Heat Spaces Mass
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2 Rocket Launcher 10s FR 6 2 1.00
Light AC/5 FR 1 1 5.00
Infantry Compartment (4.0 tons) BD 0 1 4.00
@Light AC/5 (40) BD - 0 2.00

BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 2 Points: 4
9 1 1 1 0 1 0 Structure: 1
Special Abilities:

JPArbiter · « **Reply #2 on:** September 13, 2012, 11:04:58 PM »

the Clan Asier AA Vehicle was an odd beast, and clear munchinisim against flying vehicles. frankly on its own the thing is a nightmare against vehicles, battle armor and flyers as a point defense tank. using the HAG may have toned it down... unintentionally

Asier Medium AA Vehicle

Mass: 55 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Motive Type: Wheeled
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Dark Ages
Tech Rating/Era Availability: X/X-X-X
Production Year: 3132
Cost: 1,628,219 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,120

Power Plant: 145 I.C.E.
Cruise Speed: 32.4 km/h
Flanking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Armor: Standard Armor
Armament:
2 HAG-20s
1 Unknown CASE
1 Unknown Targeting Computer
Manufacturer:
Primary Factory:
Communications System:
Targeting and Tracking System:

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Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Internal Structure: Standard 30 points 5.50
Engine: I.C.E. Engine 145 10.00
Cruise MP: 3
Flank MP: 5
Heat Sinks: Single Heat Sink 0 0.00
Control Equipment: 3.00
Lift Equipment: 0.00
Turret: 2.00
Armor: Standard Armor AV - 104 6.50

Armor
Factor
Front 24
Left/Right 20/20
Turret 20
Rear 20

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Equipment Location Heat Spaces Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2 HAG-20s T 8 2 20.00
CASE BD - 0 0.00
Targeting Computer BD - 1 4.00
@HAG-20 (24) BD - 0 4.00

BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 3 Points: 11
3 0 0 0 0 2 3 Structure: 3
Special Abilities: CASE, EE, FLK 0/0/0

JPArbiter · « **Reply #3 on:** September 13, 2012, 11:09:07 PM »

DEFENSE is the name of the game for the behemoth II, and the original does that quite well, but I felt MMLs to combine the firepower of LRM 20s and SRM 4s was a wise investment, and the use of a Plasma Rifle provided enhanced anti vehicle and anti infantry firepower at medium range.

Behemoth II Type 1

Mass: 100 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Tracked
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Dark Ages
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E
Production Year: 3132
Cost: 19,352,000 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,946

Power Plant: 300 Fusion XL Engine
Cruise Speed: 32.4 km/h
Flanking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Armor: Heavy Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
1 Gauss Rifle
1 Plasma Rifle
4 MML-9s
Manufacturer:
Primary Factory:
Communications System:
Targeting and Tracking System:

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Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Internal Structure: Standard 50 points 10.00
Engine: XL Fusion Engine 300 14.50
Cruise MP: 3
Flank MP: 5
Heat Sinks: Single Heat Sink 10 0.00
Control Equipment: 5.00
Lift Equipment: 0.00
Turret: 4.50
Armor: Heavy Ferro-Fibrous AV - 297 15.00

Armor
Factor
Front 67
Left/Right 60/60
Turret 60
Rear 50

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Equipment Location Heat Spaces Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Gauss Rifle T 1 1 15.00
4 MML-9s T 20 4 24.00
Plasma Rifle T 10 1 6.00
@Gauss Rifle (16) BD - 0 2.00
@MML-9 (LRM) (26) BD - 0 2.00
@MML-9 (SRM) (11) BD - 0 1.00
@Plasma Rifle (10) BD - 0 1.00

BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 10 Points: 19
3 3 3 2 0 4 3 Structure: 5
Special Abilities: IF 1

JPArbiter · « **Reply #4 on:** September 13, 2012, 11:14:34 PM »

the DI Schmitt tank was... a joke. Rather then the blinding firepower of the Rotary Autocannon, I chose for more finesse with Light Autocannon 5s. I had to downgrade the medium lasers to ER smalls, shortening the defenisive firepower range, but permitting more ammunition, armor, and more importantly SPEED. by making it a 5/8 I turned this thing into a fast response wheeled assault vehicle.

DI Schmitt Tank

Mass: 80 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Wheeled
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Dark Ages
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-F
Production Year: 3132
Cost: 12,744,833 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,167

Power Plant: 380 Fusion XL Engine
Cruise Speed: 54.0 km/h
Flanking Speed: 86.4 km/h
Armor: Heavy Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
1 LRM-15
2 Light AC/5s
4 ER Small Lasers
1 Unknown CASE
Manufacturer:
Primary Factory:
Communications System:
Targeting and Tracking System:

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Equipment Type Rating Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard 40 points 8.00
Engine: XL Fusion Engine 380 31.00
Cruise MP: 5
Flank MP: 8
Heat Sinks: Single Heat Sink 10 0.00
Control Equipment: 4.00
Lift Equipment: 0.00
Turret: 2.00
Armor: Heavy Ferro-Fibrous AV - 205 10.50

Armor
Factor
Front 50
Left/Right 40/40
Turret 40
Rear 35

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Equipment Location Heat Spaces Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2 Light AC/5s T 2 2 10.00
LRM-15 T 5 1 7.00
4 ER Small Lasers T 8 4 2.00
CASE BD - 1 0.50
@LRM-15 (

BD - 0 1.00
@Light AC/5 (80) BD - 0 4.00

BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 7 Points: 12
5 2 2 1 0 4 0 Structure: 4
Special Abilities: CASE, AC 1/1/0, IF 1

Centurion13 · « **Reply #5 on:** September 23, 2012, 06:31:30 PM »

I am not sure that 2 LACs are going to be adequate for the mission profile you mention. Nor is a single LRM-15 with a single ton of ammo.

Most of the tonnage is taken up by engine. Why not de-rate it to a 4/6 and add a supercharger? That would give you the sprint capability while leaving room for additional warload and armor.

Thusly:

Type/Model: Di Schmitt Anti-Vee Mod
Mass: 80 tons

Equipment: Items Mass
Int. Struct.: 40 pts Standard 0 8.00
Engine: 300 XL Fusion 2 9.50
Shielding & Transmission Equipment: 0 5.00
Engine Supercharger: 1 1.00
Cruise MP: 4
Flank MP: 6 [8]
Heat Sinks: 10 Single 0 .00
Cockpit & Controls: 0 4.00
Crew: 6 Members 0 .00
Turret Equipment: 0 3.00
Armor Factor: 258 pts Hvy Ferro-Fibrous 3 13.00

Internal Armor
Structure Value
Front: 8 55
Left / Right Sides: 8 52/52
Rear: 8 44
Turret: 8 55

Weapons and Equipment Loc Heat Ammo Items Mass
--------------------------------------------------------
4 Light AC/5s Turret 0 80 5 24.00
4 ER Small Lasers Turret 8 4 2.00
4 LRM 5s Turret 0 48 5 10.00
1 C.A.S.E. Equipment Body 1 .50
--------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS: 8 21 80.00
Items & Tons Left: 0 .00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 15,057,000 C-Bills
Battle Value 2: 1,528 (old BV = 993)

Take this one for a spin. It still carries Heavy Ferro but adds 2.5 tons of protection. Multiple weapons versus opposing vees = plenty of chances to take out their suspension and turn them into pillboxes. Against 'Mechs and infantry, you have specialty ammo and bins to hold it.

Cent13

JPArbiter · « **Reply #6 on:** September 24, 2012, 09:37:22 AM »

Quote from: Centurion13 on September 23, 2012, 06:31:30 PM

I am not sure that 2 LACs are going to be adequate for the mission profile you mention. Nor is a single LRM-15 with a single ton of ammo.

Most of the tonnage is taken up by engine. Why not de-rate it to a 4/6 and add a supercharger? That would give you the sprint capability while leaving room for additional warload and armor.

Cent13

not a bad idea, for the engine, though I did want to keep the vehicle as Tournament Legal as possible. the twin LACs don't pack up front punch, but the use of AP or Precision Ammo can provide quality hits over quantity of shredded armor. the LRM 15... is secondary at best, given this things mission profile in built up close in areas I figured it was more opportunity and self cover then anything else.

good ideas though

Dragon Cat · « **Reply #7 on:** September 24, 2012, 11:39:38 AM »

I like the idea of downgrading the engine slightly for a better balance but 2 light AC a bit light for me how about this boosting up the lasers, mixing the ACs and adding some MMLs to the mix and bringing in a Targeting Computer

I've left off the supercharger but alternatively you could put one on for less LAC ammo

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DI Schmitt ML

Mass: 80 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Wheeled
Rules Level: Advanced Rules
Era: All Eras (non-canon)
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-F
Production Year: 0
Cost: 11,495,100 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,353

Power Plant:  300 Fusion XL Engine
Cruise Speed: 43.2 km/h
Flanking Speed: 64.8 km/h
Armor:  Heavy Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
    1  Rotary AC/2
    4  Medium Lasers
    2  MML-5s w/ Artemis IV FCS
    1  Light AC/2
    1 Unknown CASE
    1 Unknown Targeting Computer
Manufacturer: 
    Primary Factory: 
Communications System: 
Targeting and Tracking System: 

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
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Internal Structure: Standard                      40 points                8.00
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             300                      14.50
    Cruise MP:  4
    Flank MP:   6
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             12                        2.00
Control Equipment:                                                         4.00
Lift Equipment:                                                            0.00
Turret:                                                                    2.50
Armor:              Heavy Ferro-Fibrous          AV - 248                 12.50

                                                      Armor      
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     51        
                                          Left/Right   50/50        
                                              Turret     55        
                                                Rear     42        

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
4 Medium Lasers                              T         12        4         4.00
2 MML-5s                                     T         6         2         6.00
    Artemis IV FCS                           T         -         0         2.00
Light AC/2                                   T         1         1         4.00
Rotary AC/2                                  T         1         1         8.00
CASE                                         BD        -         1         0.50
Targeting Computer                           BD        -         1         4.00
@MML-5 (LRM Art-IV) (48)                     BD        -         0         2.00
@MML-5 (SRM Art-IV) (40)                     BD        -         0         2.00
@LAC/2 (AP) (22)                             BD        -         0         1.00
@LAC/2 (Precision) (22)                      BD        -         0         1.00
@Rotary AC/2 (90)                            BD        -         0         2.00

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      8    Points: 14
4          3       3       2       0      4     2   Structure:  4
Special Abilities: CASE, IF 1

JPArbiter · « **Reply #8 on:** September 24, 2012, 01:40:41 PM »

see I did not consider the RAC 2, that is actually kind of awesome....

Centurion13 · « **Reply #9 on:** September 24, 2012, 03:08:06 PM »

I stuck with quad LACs because they pack a 5-point punch, still have access to special ammo - and won't jam. But the RAC/2 is good for longer-range spamming!

Cent13

Dragon Cat · « **Reply #10 on:** September 24, 2012, 06:29:30 PM »

Quote from: Centurion13 on September 24, 2012, 03:08:06 PM

I stuck with quad LACs because they pack a 5-point punch, still have access to special ammo - and won't jam. But the RAC/2 is good for longer-range spamming!

Cent13

Targeting computer makes it accurate too with all weapons turret mounted go hull down and you have a sniper with LRM support they close you unleash medium lasers and SRMs all with targeting computer and Artemis systems

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