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Re: Quicksilver Dropships
« Reply #90 on: September 09, 2018, 07:52:22 PM »
So reading wolf sourcebook it gives the impression Clans used warships as one would expect destroying fighters and ships attempting to flee.

Page 27 paragraph 7
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Re: Quicksilver Dropships
« Reply #91 on: September 09, 2018, 08:21:50 PM »
Reading 3057 in the shipyards fluff it gives the impression there way more shipyards in innersphere than we are lead to believe while leaving the numbers vague by saying numerous amounts it does state that pressurized bays whike rare are over 100 in the inner sphere

It also gives in union c fluff the idea that the clans realize its days are numbered as the innersphere variant can out gun it

Besides Lum naval yards at Rumiko for the Carrier makes it sound like separate facility either a moon or other place in system
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Re: Quicksilver Dropships
« Reply #92 on: September 09, 2018, 08:49:07 PM »
Throwaway fluff in aerotech 2

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In the days of the Star League, shipyards could construct cores as light as 2,500 tons

Thats amazingly small i wonder what they could have been used for
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Re: Quicksilver Dropships
« Reply #93 on: September 09, 2018, 09:26:15 PM »
Quote from: Bradshaw on September 09, 2018, 08:49:07 PM
Throwaway fluff in aerotech 2

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In the days of the Star League, shipyards could construct cores as light as 2,500 tons

Thats amazingly small i wonder what they could have been used for

The Bug Eye dude


BTW in another thread I found this interesting tidbit on the Peregrine class -
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Peregrine_(WarShip_class)

Quote from: Bradshaw on September 09, 2018, 08:21:50 PM
It also gives in union c fluff the idea that the clans realize its days are numbered as the innersphere variant can out gun it

Again bud as I was asking what classes are keepers and what needs upgrading let me know.

Quote from: Bradshaw on September 09, 2018, 08:21:50 PM
Besides Lum naval yards at Rumiko for the Carrier makes it sound like separate facility either a moon or other place in system

I got the same feeling but can't confirm that yet. Looking for all info on Lum including Wars of Reaving.
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Re: Quicksilver Dropships
« Reply #94 on: September 10, 2018, 03:13:07 AM »
If its a dropship facility Ramuko could well be a ground based facility in the Lum system.
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Re: Quicksilver Dropships
« Reply #95 on: September 10, 2018, 06:27:21 AM »
That is a possibility too
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Re: Quicksilver Dropships
« Reply #96 on: September 10, 2018, 06:43:18 AM »
Forgot how small the bugeye is. Surprised me the clans never just used them to scout the inner sphere along with the Dragoons. Or even used with the watch
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Re: Quicksilver Dropships
« Reply #97 on: September 10, 2018, 07:13:15 AM »
Quote from: Bradshaw on September 10, 2018, 06:43:18 AM
Forgot how small the bugeye is. Surprised me the clans never just used them to scout the inner sphere along with the Dragoons. Or even used with the watch

IIRC such a thing was seen as underhanded and dishonourable.  The only intel the Clans had on the Inner Sphere was from the Dragoons and from snippets they managed to pick up.  And they'd never give them to the Watch, which had lost its original purpose and was basically powerless as an organisation and viewed either as a laughing stock or a dumping ground.  And the Watch was so poor at their job that they'd make the Nazi's Abwehr seem competent, and to do that, takes skill.
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Re: Quicksilver Dropships
« Reply #98 on: September 10, 2018, 07:39:45 AM »
Also something like this

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Snowden

might well be the perview of the Free Guilds.
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Re: Quicksilver Dropships
« Reply #99 on: September 10, 2018, 08:08:32 AM »
Quote from: marauder648 on September 10, 2018, 07:39:45 AM
Also something like this

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Snowden

might well be the perview of the Free Guilds.

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Re: Quicksilver Dropships
« Reply #100 on: September 10, 2018, 10:33:52 AM »
Looking through Known Clan Dropships according to Sarna

3053 or earlier
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Name   Weight   Year   Usage   Shape   Origin   Capacity   Notes
K-1 DropShuttle   200   2536   civilian   spheroid   Clans refitted      Don't see a reason to redesign
Broadsword   "1,850"   2979   military   aerodyne   Clan built   5 BattleMechs   Perhaps minor adjustments no need to replace
Confederate   "1,860"   2602   military   spheroid   Clans refitted   5 BattleMechs   Scrap or used only for 2nd line troops
Sassanid   "3,000"   2875   military   spheroid   Clan built   3 Elemental Stars. (Intruder)   Perhaps minor adjustments no need to replace
Union-C   "4,700"   2829   military   spheroid   Clan built   15 'Mechs   Fluff in 3057 gives excuse to upgrade to new design after numerous redesigns
Carrier   "5,000"   2882   military   aerodyne   Clan built   10 Aerospace fighters   Perhaps minor adjustments no need to replace
Lion   "7,215"   2595   military   spheroid   Clans refitted   10 BattleMechs   Replace with expedited Mercer perhaps
Miraborg   "9,750"   3053   military   spheroid   Clan built   30 Aerospace fighters   Perhaps minor adjustments no need to replace
Overlord-C   "11,550"   2818   military   spheroid   Clan built   45 BattleMechs   Fluff again in 3057 gives excuse to upgrade to new design after numerous redesigns
Titan   "12,000"   2647   military   aerodyne   Clans refitted   30 Aerospace fighters   Miraborg Replaces

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Name   Weight   Year   Usage   Shape   Origin   Capacity   Notes
Noruff   1900   3056   military   aerodyne   Clan built   Assault craft. Only one prototype known to exist by 3057.   Expedite or replace
Arcadia   "3,000"   3066   military   aerodyne   Clan built   15 ProtoMechs   Expedite if Protomechs are a think in your universe
Nagasawa   3000   3115   military   aerodyne   Clan built   Assault (Noruff)   To far off to consider
Mercer   "4,500"   3065   military   spheroid   Clan built   10 BattleMechs   Expedite with perhaps minor changes
Polaris   6000   3100   military   spheroid   Clan built   "20 Heavy Vehicles, 2 Stars BattleArmor"   Expedite with perhaps minor changes
Outpost   7000   3063   military   spheroid   Clan built   "Combined arms transport (5 'Mechs, 4 Fighters, 10 tanks, 1 elemental star) (Fortress class)"   Expedite with perhaps minor changes
Isegrim   8500   3083   military   aerodyne   Clan built   Assault   Expedite with perhaps minor changes
Aesir   18000   3077   military   spheroid   Clan built   30 Aerospace fighters   Nasty perhaps expedite
Vanir   18000   3077   military   spheroid   Clan built   Assault   Nasty perhaps expedite   

Based off this I'd say we need to have contests for new Union Overlord and Large Combined Arms Cluster Dropship (Aero, 'Mech, Vehicle, Battle Armor) and perhaps another assault or two depending on what is or isn't expedited.

Civilian ones I don't know of any needs other than specialized roles that may not exist in canon but you used in Shattered Dawn or new ideas.

Old designs that have no canon reference for Clans but could be used

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Name   Weight   Year   Usage   Shape
Saturn   "1,200"   2243   military   spheroid
Vulture   "3,500"   2312   military   spheroid
Jumbo   "14,800"   2343   civilian   spheroid
DroST IIa   "5,300"   2445   military   aerodyne
Manatee   "1,900"   2449   military   spheroid
Gazelle   "1,903"   2531   military   aerodyne
Leopard   "1,720"   2537   military   aerodyne
Leopard CV   "1,720"   2581   military   aerodyne
Achilles   "4,500"   2582   military   aerodyne
Triumph   "5,600"   2593   military   aerodyne
Dictator   "9,000"   2600   military   spheroid
Fortress   "6,000"   2613   military   spheroid
Pentagon   "4,000"   2623   military   spheroid
Aqueduct   "45,000"   2638   civilian   spheroid
Fury   "1,850"   2638   military   aerodyne
Model 96(Elephant)   "15,000"   2652   military   spheroid
Princess   "11,800"   2657   civilian   spheroid
Vengeance   "10,000"   2682   military   aerodyne
Buccaneer   "3,500"   2708   civilian   aerodyne
Vampire   400   2715   military   aerodyne
Colossus   "20,000"   2718   military   spheroid
Trojan   "3,200"   2720   civilian   spheroid
Danais   "3,200"   2728   civilian   spheroid
Mule   "11,200"   2737   civilian   spheroid
Monarch   "5,000"   2759   civilian   aerodyne
Behemoth   "100,000"   2782   civilian   spheroid

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Re: Quicksilver Dropships
« Reply #101 on: September 10, 2018, 12:43:03 PM »
Went through pretty much every book I can think of that would have Shipyard data and I think thats it. Funny thing is I remembered Star's End to see what came of it and what it was doing in the future. I didn't realize Wolf never captured it and just skipped right over it in initial invasion. It would make an interesting forward base as well as Dark Nebula if captured and expedited for production in the Inner Sphere.
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Re: Quicksilver Dropships
« Reply #102 on: September 10, 2018, 04:25:25 PM »
Oh there are a few shipyards I was thinking the Clans might seize in light of Operation Restoration.

Nice list of droppers and thanks for the comments.

I would really like to get a design contest or two going for this and would love to hear other recommendations on what is needed.
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Re: Quicksilver Dropships
« Reply #103 on: September 11, 2018, 02:09:54 PM »
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Base Tech Level: Standard (Clan)
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Experimental    - 
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Tech Rating: F/X-X-D-D

Weight: 3000 tons
BV: 16,351
Cost: 490,420,800 C-bills

Movement: 6/9
Heat Sinks: 150 [300]
Fuel Points: 5600/6000 (200.0 tons)
Tons Per Burn Day: 1.84

Structural Integrity: 11
Armor: 1034
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Left Side     259 
Right Side    259 
Aft           206 

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ER PPC                                         
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Streak SRM 6                                   
Streak SRM 6 Ammo                    45       
SRM Bay                              LS    4   
Streak SRM 6                                   
Streak SRM 6 Ammo                    45       
SRM Bay                              RS    4   
Streak SRM 6                                   
Streak SRM 6 Ammo                    45       
AC Bay                              NOS    4   
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Gauss Rifle                                   
Gauss Rifle                                   
Gauss Rifle                                   
Gauss Rifle Ammo [Clan]             240       


Equipment       Loc 
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Artemis IV FCS   RS 
Artemis IV FCS   RS 
Artemis IV FCS   LS 
Artemis IV FCS   LS 
Artemis IV FCS   LS 

Carrying Capacity
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ProtoMech (3 doors) - 15 units
Battle Armor Bay (3 doors) - 15 Points
Cargo Space (1 door) - 243.5 tons

Crew                 
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Officers             3
Enlisted/Non-rated   2
Gunners              8
Bay Personnel       96

Quarters                 
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First Class   2
Standard   11
Sec. Class   24

Escape Pods   2

Expedited & Improved Mercer

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Base Tech Level: Standard (Clan)
Level          Era
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Experimental    - 
Advanced        - 
Standard      3053+
Tech Rating: F/X-X-D-D

Weight: 4500 tons
BV: 18,721
Cost: 583,055,200 C-bills

Movement: 5/8
Heat Sinks: 250 [500]
Fuel Points: 3000 (100.0 tons)
Tons Per Burn Day: 1.84

Structural Integrity: 30
Armor: 1560 (Ferro-Aluminum)
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Nose          460 
Left Side     380 
Right Side    380 
Aft           340 

Weapons                  Loc  Heat 
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Large Pulse Laser (R)               
Large Pulse Laser (R)               
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ER Large Laser                     
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Large Pulse Laser                   
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Large Pulse Laser                   
Large Pulse Laser                   
AC Bay                    LS    2   
Gauss Rifle                         
Gauss Rifle                         
Gauss Rifle Ammo [Clan]  160       
AC Bay                    RS    2   
Gauss Rifle                         
Gauss Rifle                         
Gauss Rifle Ammo [Clan]  160       



Carrying Capacity
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Mech (4 doors) - 10 units
Battle Armor Bay (4 doors) - 5 Points
Cargo Space (0 doors) - 321.500 tons

Crew                 
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Officers             4
Enlisted/Non-rated   1
Gunners             12
Bay Personnel       50

Quarters                 
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First Class   4
Standard   13
Sec. Class   15

Escape Pods   4
Last one I swear. The Clans are missing a hard hitting Assault Craft. Designed off the Achilles frame my second favorite dropship after the Titan.

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Level          Era
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Experimental    - 
Advanced        - 
Standard      2921+
Tech Rating: F/X-F-D-D

Weight: 4500 tons
BV: 24,925
Cost: 763,891,200 C-bills

Movement: 8/12
Heat Sinks: 124 [248]
Fuel Points: 9000 (300.0 tons)
Tons Per Burn Day: 1.84

Structural Integrity: 16
Armor: 1792 (Ferro-Aluminum)
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Nose          550 
Left Side     425 
Right Side    425 
Aft           392 

Weapons                  Loc  Heat 
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Laser Bay                 LS   60   
ER Large Laser                     
ER Large Laser                     
ER Large Laser                     
ER Large Laser                     
ER Large Laser                     
Laser Bay                 RS   60   
ER Large Laser                     
ER Large Laser                     
ER Large Laser                     
ER Large Laser                     
ER Large Laser                     
Laser Bay                AFT   36   
ER Large Laser                     
ER Large Laser                     
ER Large Laser                     
AC Bay                    LS    4   
Gauss Rifle                         
Gauss Rifle                         
Gauss Rifle                         
Gauss Rifle                         
Gauss Rifle Ammo [Clan]   80       
AC Bay                    RS    4   
Gauss Rifle                         
Gauss Rifle                         
Gauss Rifle                         
Gauss Rifle                         
Gauss Rifle Ammo [Clan]   80       
AC Bay                   AFT    2   
Gauss Rifle                         
Gauss Rifle                         
Gauss Rifle Ammo [Clan]   80       
AC Bay                   NOS    4   
Gauss Rifle                         
Gauss Rifle                         
Gauss Rifle                         
Gauss Rifle                         
Gauss Rifle Ammo [Clan]  160       
LBX AC Bay               AFT   12   
LB 20-X AC                         
LB 20-X AC                         
LB 20-X Cluster Ammo      50       
LBX AC Bay               NOS   24   
LB 20-X AC                         
LB 20-X AC                         
LB 20-X AC                         
LB 20-X AC                         
LB 20-X Cluster Ammo     100       
Laser Bay                NOS   48   
ER Large Laser                     
ER Large Laser                     
ER Large Laser                     
ER Large Laser                     
LBX AC Bay                LS   12   
LB 20-X AC                         
LB 20-X AC                         
LB 20-X Cluster Ammo      50       
LBX AC Bay                RS   12   
LB 20-X AC                         
LB 20-X AC                         
LB 20-X Cluster Ammo      50       



Carrying Capacity
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Aerospace Fighter (2 doors) - 2 units (2 recovery open)
Battle Armor Bay (4 doors) - 4 Points
Cargo Space (1 door) - 252 tons

Crew                 
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Officers             7
Enlisted/Non-rated  26
Gunners             11
Bay Personnel       28

Quarters                 
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First Class   7
Standard   37
Sec. Class   14

Life Boats    2
Escape Pods   4

« Last Edit: September 11, 2018, 03:46:47 PM by Bradshaw »
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Re: Quicksilver Dropships
« Reply #104 on: September 11, 2018, 02:56:35 PM »
Very nice designs folks. An expedited Arcadia could make a perfectly fine Elemental/Assault dropper, plus I love the blended lifting body look of the Arcadia.
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