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Snow Raven/ Cloud Cobra Heavy Fighter Pilot Program
« on: October 11, 2018, 12:31:56 PM »
In reviewing the data returning from the Invasion, Clans Snow Raven and Cloud Cobra came to the conclusion that the aerospace advantage they believed they would have did not come to fruition. Prior to the ilKhan's death aboard the Dire Wolf, a pilot program between two of the leaders in naval warfare amongst the Clans began. Turning to the predominately civilian based small craft frameworks the idea was born to create an new classification of Heavy Aerospace fighters. Intended to be the slower but more heavily armored brother of conventional OmniFighters twin designs were created in small amounts in a pilot program. From the Raven's came the Corvid Heavy Aerospace fighter, weighing in at 200 tons, double the tonnage of the heaviest aerospace fighter in production. The Ravens created a weapons load-out inspired by the Chippewa IIC from antiquity and fame of the absorbed Mongooses. Removing its missile systems and small lasers and unfortunately its advanced Targeting Computer that was incompatible with the targeting systems inherent with small craft. From the Cloud Cobras comes the Tundra Swan a design thought to be inspired by the Star League Ahab Aerospace Fighter. Designed primarily as a missile boat with its six LRM-15s. Supported by a battery of ER Medium Lasers in both its Nose and Aft. With 10 tons of fuel on both designs as well as 10 tons of supplies. The designs may survive if not for their intended roles as long range patrol crafts in Clan systems.

With the loss at Tukayyid and the new ilKhans proposed Quicksilver Trials both designs have been put on the back-burner until the Trials have ended and its determined if these new craft might still find a role within the Clan Toumans.

Corvid Heavy Aerospace Fighter


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Weight: 200 tons
BV: 3,327
Cost: 19,269,200 C-bills

Movement: 4/6
Heat Sinks: 30 [60]
Fuel Points: 0/800 (10.0 tons)
Tons Per Burn Day: 1.84

Structural Integrity: 6
Armor: 480 (Ferro-Aluminum)
            Armor 
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Nose          144 
Left Side     120 
Right Side    120 
Aft            96 

Weapons          Loc  Heat 
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ER Large Laser   NOS   12   
ER Large Laser   NOS   12   
ER Large Laser   NOS   12   
ER Large Laser   NOS   12   
ER Large Laser   NOS   12   
ER Medium Laser   LS    5   
ER Medium Laser   LS    5   
ER Medium Laser   LS    5   
ER Medium Laser   LS    5   
ER Medium Laser   RS    5   
ER Medium Laser   RS    5   
ER Medium Laser   RS    5   
ER Medium Laser   RS    5   
ER Medium Laser  AFT    5   
ER Medium Laser  AFT    5   
ER Medium Laser  AFT    5   
ER Medium Laser  AFT    5   

Carrying Capacity
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Cargo Space (1 door) - 10 tons

Crew                 
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Officers            2
Enlisted/Non-rated  1
Gunners             3
Bay Personnel       0

Tundra Swan Heavy Aerospace Fighter
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Weight: 200 tons
BV: 3,221
Cost: 20,169,200 C-bills

Movement: 4/6
Heat Sinks: 15 [30]
Fuel Points: 0/800 (10.0 tons)
Tons Per Burn Day: 1.84

Structural Integrity: 6
Armor: 480 (Ferro-Aluminum)
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Nose          144 
Left Side     120 
Right Side    120 
Aft            96 

Weapons          Loc  Heat 
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LRM 15            LS    5   
LRM 15            LS    5   
LRM 15            LS    5   
LRM 15            RS    5   
LRM 15            RS    5   
LRM 15            RS    5   
ER Medium Laser  NOS    5   
ER Medium Laser  NOS    5   
ER Medium Laser  NOS    5   
ER Medium Laser  NOS    5   
ER Medium Laser  AFT    5   
ER Medium Laser  AFT    5   
ER Medium Laser  AFT    5   
ER Medium Laser  AFT    5   

Ammo         Loc  Shots 
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LRM 15 Ammo   RS      72 
LRM 15 Ammo   LS      72

Carrying Capacity
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Cargo Space (1 door) - 10 tons

Crew                 
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Officers            2
Enlisted/Non-rated  1
Gunners             3
Bay Personnel       0
« Last Edit: October 11, 2018, 12:32:22 PM by Bradshaw »
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Re: Snow Raven/ Cloud Cobra Heavy Fighter Pilot Program
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2018, 12:45:32 PM »
They look pretty nasty bud!
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Re: Snow Raven/ Cloud Cobra Heavy Fighter Pilot Program
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2018, 01:26:17 PM »
I like the idea, generally, but can build almost the same as the Raven one on an aerospace frame of 100 tons.  Now, it was a very quick and dirty build, but I end up without the cargo space and 4.5 tons overweight.  If I simply dropped the fuel mass down to 7.5 tons and armor to 23 tons, I've got a smaller piece of equipment (which might cost less), but is functionally similar.

What do it lose?  It doesn't have the versatile 10 tons of cargo, it doesn't have extended length activities, slightly less combat range and slightly less overall armor (but still extremely beefy for a clan ASF at 442 points).

What do it gain?  Quicker acting on the initiative order, carry-able in smaller bays, could be omni-ized to create a more versatile combatant.  Potential cost/resource use reduction.

The Tundra Swan is stated to be a long range patrol craft, rather than effectively an over-weight strike fighter.  That's really what both of these ought to be for, as ASF can't fill those roles on their own - though DS bases might actually be more effective as they have more mass to dedicate to listening arrays.

Critique over.  I otherwise like both designs, they seem fairly functional and seem as though they could be something that both or either clan would consider.
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Re: Snow Raven/ Cloud Cobra Heavy Fighter Pilot Program
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2018, 02:16:20 PM »
I thought of this last night thinking I could come up with a much more powerful weapons platform than an aerospace fighter, once the design started coming together I realized the same as you Vition. The engine mass just takes up so much of the design as well as the living quarters that you are left with basically an enlarged fighter with nothing to show for it. Its why I ended up changing my fluff idea to make it a pilot program and patrol craft and fit it into the Quicksilver universe a little as a side project.

Was thinking of asking Tak if this could be something in the future for his universe the Clans come up with like the Inner Sphere in canon came out with the Super heavy 'Mech and vehicle. Or perhaps if we ever work more on the alternate where the Pentagon Powers united and overcame the Clan invasion.
« Last Edit: October 11, 2018, 02:28:56 PM by Bradshaw »
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Re: Snow Raven/ Cloud Cobra Heavy Fighter Pilot Program
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2018, 07:42:06 PM »
I took a swing at a fighter/bomber Aerospace fighter a long time ago.  Mind you, I cheated and used home-brew rules to reach ASF-level performance.  Have you considered more exotic roles?  Arrow ADA launcher, an expansion on the ASF/Elemental carrier, boarding assault, standard bomber?  Then there are the non-combatant roles.  I shudder to consider the cost, but Omnitech could make it extremely versatile.
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Re: Snow Raven/ Cloud Cobra Heavy Fighter Pilot Program
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2018, 08:06:00 PM »
Quote from: Red Pins on October 11, 2018, 07:42:06 PM
I took a swing at a fighter/bomber Aerospace fighter a long time ago.  Mind you, I cheated and used home-brew rules to reach ASF-level performance.  Have you considered more exotic roles?  Arrow ADA launcher, an expansion on the ASF/Elemental carrier, boarding assault, standard bomber?  Then there are the non-combatant roles.  I shudder to consider the cost, but Omnitech could make it extremely versatile.

I did refresh my memory of the bombing rules thinking that could be a roll, but couldn't figure a way within the rules to make it worth it. I did come up with a battlearmor transport version as well will post tomorrow when back at work.

An arrow system one might be interesting to try out as well.

I might try an IS one just to mess with Rocket Launchers
« Last Edit: October 11, 2018, 08:06:50 PM by Bradshaw »
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Re: Snow Raven/ Cloud Cobra Heavy Fighter Pilot Program
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2018, 08:51:05 PM »
Nah Bradshaw has no idea of the Small Craft Bombers we did back in the day. Great stuff as it was, to bad they were ruled illegal. It was a great niche for them to fill.
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Re: Snow Raven/ Cloud Cobra Heavy Fighter Pilot Program
« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2018, 09:13:44 PM »
Fireangel did repost the ones i was thinking about.

https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=20786.0
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Re: Snow Raven/ Cloud Cobra Heavy Fighter Pilot Program
« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2018, 04:05:14 PM »
Took today off so just got around to revamping the Troop Transport variant. I decided to incorporate the Arrow system with the design. I feel this would make an effective Headhunter tool.

Juvats Tactical Transport

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Weight: 200 tons
BV: 2,492
Cost: 19,050,000 C-bills

Movement: 5/8
Heat Sinks: 20 [40]
Fuel Points: 0 (0.0 tons)
Tons Per Burn Day: 1.84

Structural Integrity: 9
Armor: 332
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Nose          100 
Left Side      80 
Right Side     80 
Aft            72 

Weapons   Loc  Heat 
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Arrow IV   LS   10   
Arrow IV   LS   10   
Arrow IV   RS   10   
Arrow IV   RS   10   

Ammo           Loc  Shots 
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Arrow IV Ammo   RS      20 
Arrow IV Ammo   LS      20 

Carrying Capacity
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Battle Armor Bay (1 door) - 1 Point

Crew                 
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Officers            1
Enlisted/Non-rated  2
Gunners             1
Bay Personnel       6
Not sure which I like better

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Juvats Tactical Transport
Base Tech Level: Standard (Clan)

Weight: 200 tons
BV: 2,740
Cost: 22,050,000 C-bills

Movement: 5/8
Heat Sinks: 10 [20]
Fuel Points: 0 (0.0 tons)
Tons Per Burn Day: 1.84

Structural Integrity: 9
Armor: 324
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Nose           94 
Left Side      80 
Right Side     80 
Aft            70 

Weapons            Loc  Heat 
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Arrow IV            LS   10   
Arrow IV            RS   10   
ER Large Laser     NOS   12   
Large Pulse Laser  NOS   10   
Large Pulse Laser  NOS   10   
ER Medium Laser    AFT    5   
ER Medium Laser    AFT    5   

Ammo           Loc  Shots 
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Arrow IV Ammo   RS      20
Arrow IV Ammo   LS      20

Equipment                                           Loc 
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Active Probe [Clan]                                 NOS 
ECM Suite [Clan]                                    AFT 
Satellite Imager [High-Resolution (Hi-Res) Imager]  NOS 
Satellite Imager [Infrared Imager]                  NOS 

Carrying Capacity
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Battle Armor Bay (1 door) - 1 Point

Crew                 
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Officers            1
Enlisted/Non-rated  2
Gunners             2
Bay Personnel       6

« Last Edit: October 12, 2018, 04:14:19 PM by Bradshaw »
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Re: Snow Raven/ Cloud Cobra Heavy Fighter Pilot Program
« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2018, 08:55:44 PM »
I will have to put small craft on the Quicksilver list
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Re: Snow Raven/ Cloud Cobra Heavy Fighter Pilot Program
« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2018, 12:06:26 AM »
Love the Corvid Heavy Aerospace Fighter just the thing to deny drop ships safcon...
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Re: Snow Raven/ Cloud Cobra Heavy Fighter Pilot Program
« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2018, 04:19:32 AM »
I like the idea, the pictures and the designs as well as their background, but these are not really fighters, they are more a kind of patrol/support ship that could be used whilst DropShips are entering the atmosphere or to be based on the ground or in orbit as a patrol craft that might well be the first line of defence should a world or station or something come under attack.
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Re: Snow Raven/ Cloud Cobra Heavy Fighter Pilot Program
« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2018, 03:29:03 PM »
I really wish there was a sub-cap weapon that would fit on these.
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Re: Snow Raven/ Cloud Cobra Heavy Fighter Pilot Program
« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2018, 03:56:26 PM »
I don't understand the reason missiles are the only capital weapons allowed on nonwarships.
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Re: Snow Raven/ Cloud Cobra Heavy Fighter Pilot Program
« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2018, 04:00:39 PM »
One idea I did have is that a Small Craft could carry a Cap missile or two (depending on size) and have it act basically like a release and launch weapon.  The releasing ship has to fire it in 'short range' for the missile and must be facing the target until it hits. But it could give them a kind of stand off weapon.
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