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Re: Primer to Age of Chaos
« Reply #60 on: February 11, 2011, 04:32:14 PM »

Nice.  Looks to be coming along well.  Found one small error for you.

The fighting would also completely guts the Combine’s offensive foray into the Tamar worlds of the Lyran Commonwealth. As a result, the people of Tamar easily repulsed the Archon’s half hearted attempt to reclaim the province in 2834.

Should be "gut"

Be interesting to see where people take it.
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Re: Primer to Age of Chaos
« Reply #61 on: February 11, 2011, 04:45:03 PM »

Nice.  Looks to be coming along well.  Found one small error for you.

The fighting would also completely guts the Combine’s offensive foray into the Tamar worlds of the Lyran Commonwealth. As a result, the people of Tamar easily repulsed the Archon’s half hearted attempt to reclaim the province in 2834.

Should be "gut"

Be interesting to see where people take it.

Damn it!  ;D

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Re: Primer to Age of Chaos
« Reply #62 on: February 11, 2011, 04:53:54 PM »

You asked for it, so here are my two euro cents.

With the new invasion putting the FWL in jeopardy, the Chancellor committed additional forces to the growing Andurien melee, during which the Capellan Confederation lost a number of former Hegemony worlds when they proved incapable of consolidating their hold in the region. Aligning themselves with Tikonov in 2820, these worlds began to build a new state centered on Tikonov under the auspice of heirs to the old Hegemony bureaucracy. Although this region lacked a major domestic military presence, the insurgent forces of these worlds made them competitive opponents to their distracted invaders. 

Why is there a rebellion in Tikonov?


The Skye Rebellion began as the First Succession War came to a close and as many former Terran worlds, unhappy beneath the Steiner yoke or fearful of being captured by the Draconis Combine revolted, joining in with the already fractious Isle of Skye. These rebels were soon aided by Free Tikonov forces bloated with secret ComStar help.

If there is an internal rebellion, why would the Lyran Commonwealth invade the Free Worlds League?
Any leader with two cents of common sense would focus on the rebels.


Meanwhile, the Federated Suns – a nation badly mauled by the Draconis Combine – found itself vulnerable to its own upswing in domestic dissent as March Rulers attempted to consolidate and prepare for another looming invasion of their devastated territory. Not too soon, the Capellan and Draconis March Dukes began looking toward their own worlds to rule, rather than New Avalon.

Do you mean that the people from these Marchs were turning their eyes towards their own dukes rather than towards New Avalon?


When forces loyal to Prince Davion arrived in the March to halt the Duke Hasek’s drive into Liao space, open fighting erupted between the two sides. As a result, the Capellan March declared its independence from the Davion crown in 2829. AFFS units from loyal Marches began to pour into the area, and while Prince Davion believed a massive show of force would quickly squash resistance, the move fatally weakened significant portions of the Federated Suns’ border. 

Wouldn't the loyalist forces outmatch the rebels enough to crush them ?  This might be even truer as the Capellan March is still focusing on the invasion of the Confederation.


As a result, the people of Tamar easily repulsed the Archon’s half hearted attempt to reclaim the province in 2834.

Why half hearted?


For the next 187 years ComStar worked to restore communications to the Inner Sphere. When they were finished in 3025, the Great Houses were no more.

Exhausted States, rebellious Marches, no communications over nearly 200 years and economies facing major problems are good reasons for the increased fragmentation of the Inner Sphere.
It reminds me a bit of parts of Asimov's Foundation with the centre of the Empire still acting as if they were prosperous while the Periphery was falling into a barbarian age and independence.
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Re: Primer to Age of Chaos
« Reply #63 on: February 11, 2011, 05:04:21 PM »

You asked for it, so here are my two euro cents.

With the new invasion putting the FWL in jeopardy, the Chancellor committed additional forces to the growing Andurien melee, during which the Capellan Confederation lost a number of former Hegemony worlds when they proved incapable of consolidating their hold in the region. Aligning themselves with Tikonov in 2820, these worlds began to build a new state centered on Tikonov under the auspice of heirs to the old Hegemony bureaucracy. Although this region lacked a major domestic military presence, the insurgent forces of these worlds made them competitive opponents to their distracted invaders. 

Why is there a rebellion in Tikonov?

Why not? This is the height of the Succession Wars - I find it highly unlikely (as it is written in canon) that these worlds weren't sick of the endless bickering between Houses and wouldn't want to forge their destiny. I'm correcting this oversight. 

The Skye Rebellion began as the First Succession War came to a close and as many former Terran worlds, unhappy beneath the Steiner yoke or fearful of being captured by the Draconis Combine revolted, joining in with the already fractious Isle of Skye. These rebels were soon aided by Free Tikonov forces bloated with secret ComStar help.

If there is an internal rebellion, why would the Lyran Commonwealth invade the Free Worlds League?
Any leader with two cents of common sense would focus on the rebels.

The LC was already focused on the FWL and as other canon events have shown, Skye Rebellions or insurrections are hardly the sole focus of the state.

Meanwhile, the Federated Suns – a nation badly mauled by the Draconis Combine – found itself vulnerable to its own upswing in domestic dissent as March Rulers attempted to consolidate and prepare for another looming invasion of their devastated territory. Not too soon, the Capellan and Draconis March Dukes began looking toward their own worlds to rule, rather than New Avalon.

Do you mean that the people from these Marchs were turning their eyes towards their own dukes rather than towards New Avalon?


That is correct.

When forces loyal to Prince Davion arrived in the March to halt the Duke Hasek’s drive into Liao space, open fighting erupted between the two sides. As a result, the Capellan March declared its independence from the Davion crown in 2829. AFFS units from loyal Marches began to pour into the area, and while Prince Davion believed a massive show of force would quickly squash resistance, the move fatally weakened significant portions of the Federated Suns’ border. 

Wouldn't the loyalist forces outmatch the rebels enough to crush them ?  This might be even truer as the Capellan March is still focusing on the invasion of the Confederation.

Size doesn't necessarily ensure victory or even a crushing victory. Besides, this is a conflict Prince Davion can ill afford. If a show of force doesn't cowl Duke Hasek, then he'll have to attack. The Prince will still have to be careful (initially) of overreacting or causing too much damage. Not only would it drag a civil war on for far longer than he (or any ruler) like, but it damages worlds necessary to the overall survival of the Federated Suns.

As a result, the people of Tamar easily repulsed the Archon’s half hearted attempt to reclaim the province in 2834.

Why half hearted?

After everything that has happened up until that point (reread the section) - the Archon will be hard pressed to maintain his throne if he pushed too hard.

For the next 187 years ComStar worked to restore communications to the Inner Sphere. When they were finished in 3025, the Great Houses were no more.

Exhausted States, rebellious Marches, no communications over nearly 200 years and economies facing major problems are good reasons for the increased fragmentation of the Inner Sphere.
It reminds me a bit of parts of Asimov's Foundation with the center of the Empire still acting as if they were prosperous while the Periphery was falling into a barbarian age and independence.

Pretty much.

The finished primer also provides an explanation for the liberties taken in constructing this AU - such as, but not limited too:

1. The HPG Blackout
2. Prince Davion's Death
3. Tikonov Rebellion
4. Blake's survival

etc.
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Re: Primer to Age of Chaos
« Reply #64 on: February 11, 2011, 08:25:59 PM »

So, were you inspired by this when you were creating this AU? http://www.pryderockindustries.com/humansphere/
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Re: Primer to Age of Chaos
« Reply #65 on: February 11, 2011, 08:32:31 PM »

Good stuff, I haven't been to Pryde's Rock in a long time.
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Re: Primer to Age of Chaos
« Reply #66 on: February 11, 2011, 10:31:36 PM »

So, were you inspired by this when you were creating this AU? http://www.pryderockindustries.com/humansphere/

Oh wow, how could I have missed this!
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Re: Primer to Age of Chaos
« Reply #67 on: February 11, 2011, 10:33:46 PM »

Just looked at their map...meh. Too messy. Most of it doesn't make sense at first glance, but hey, if it works for them then enjoy.
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Re: Primer to Age of Chaos
« Reply #68 on: February 12, 2011, 02:09:59 AM »

Looks interesting, even promising.

One thing that is not clear to me: Does all Interstellar Warfare cease in the timespan of the HPG grid reconstruction from 2838 to 3025? Or are "Cattle-Raids" still going on?

And am I right to assume that the white spaces between states represent independent, unaligned worlds or do those white spaces represent destroyed and/or uninhabited worlds?

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P.S.: Nice overview map! I am looking forward to see a detailed map eventually
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Re: Primer to Age of Chaos
« Reply #69 on: February 12, 2011, 02:32:47 AM »

I'm interested in any feedback on the maps so that I can keep improving them.
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Re: Primer to Age of Chaos
« Reply #70 on: February 12, 2011, 07:57:19 AM »

Looks good, i to am interested in what is represented by the white areas and look forward to seeing the more detailed version.
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Re: Primer to Age of Chaos
« Reply #71 on: February 12, 2011, 09:24:19 AM »

@Blacknova
I like the map. My only critic is, that some of the labels are too small and the map would look better, if you only use one font size. If the nations/regions you want to label are too small to write into them, just use numbers and an index to label them. IMO, it would give the map a more polish look.

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Wow, the timeline is coming along nicely!
One question, have you decided yet what happened to the SLDF and Kerensky after leaving the Inner Sphere? Are to Dragoons around in this TL? Personally, I would argue against the Dragoons making an appearance in this TL, or only as a much weaker force. As is, five elite regiments would be an even bigger force than it was in canon.
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Re: Primer to Age of Chaos
« Reply #72 on: February 12, 2011, 10:24:46 AM »

@Blacknova
I like the map. My only critic is, that some of the labels are too small and the map would look better, if you only use one font size. If the nations/regions you want to label are too small to write into them, just use numbers and an index to label them. IMO, it would give the map a more polish look.

@Knightmare
Wow, the timeline is coming along nicely!
One question, have you decided yet what happened to the SLDF and Kerensky after leaving the Inner Sphere? Are to Dragoons around in this TL? Personally, I would argue against the Dragoons making an appearance in this TL, or only as a much weaker force. As is, five elite regiments would be an even bigger force than it was in canon.

When you download the full map, the font isn't much of an issue, but for the overview map it was important to place the names as close or fully in the state. Still, that's a good suggestion! As for the Dragoons and Kerensky, I haven't decided yet. One of the original ideas bounced around way back when was the SLDF returning to the Inner Sphere not long after it left - battered, bruised and looking like it suffered from quite a fight. The fleet would take up residence around Terra and close the world to everyone. Personally, that idea doesn't sit well with me, so the fate of the SLDF (and the Clans by extension) is in limbo.

One thing that is not clear to me: Does all Interstellar Warfare cease in the timespan of the HPG grid reconstruction from 2838 to 3025? Or are "Cattle-Raids" still going on?

Absolutely. One of the final kinks in the whole system is determining the final military strength of some of these states. That being said, there is definitely the whole Third Succession War taking place throughout the Blackout - it'll just take into account the loss of communications, the loss of more JumpShips/DropShips than in canon and the overall loss of way more BattleMechs during the First & Second Succession Wars.

And am I right to assume that the white spaces between states represent independent, unaligned worlds or do those white spaces represent destroyed and/or uninhabited worlds?

If you take a look at the map you'll see there are "Disputed" Territories - areas in constant conflict, or planets that switch side with such frequency that stability is an issue. Other areas are simply clear, meaning these worlds (like large swaths of the FWL during the Dark Age) are independent or unclaimed by a larger Inner Sphere power.

I hope that helps explain things a little better. Thank you all for the feedback!
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Re: Primer to Age of Chaos
« Reply #73 on: February 12, 2011, 10:59:51 AM »

And am I right to assume that the white spaces between states represent independent, unaligned worlds or do those white spaces represent destroyed and/or uninhabited worlds?

If you take a look at the map you'll see there are "Disputed" Territories - areas in constant conflict, or planets that switch side with such frequency that stability is an issue. Other areas are simply clear, meaning these worlds (like large swaths of the FWL during the Dark Age) are independent or unclaimed by a larger Inner Sphere power.


Ah. I see it now. Thanks for clarification KM! Perhaps it would be wise to better differentiate visually the "Disputed" Territories from the independent,unaligned Territories?

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Re: Primer to Age of Chaos
« Reply #74 on: February 12, 2011, 01:28:07 PM »

Well, when you zoom in you can see the cross-thatch, but zoomed out it's almost impossible to tell. The more detailed region maps make it far easier to tell between the two.
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