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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #60 on: February 08, 2010, 10:14:35 AM »

Hessian

Quote from: MechRat on April 12, 2009, 10:28:53 PM
Hmmm, I think a combination of all the choices might be good. Something like Sian Commonality Guard?

Sian Commonality Guard? Sounds good to me!

BTW I just figured that one (albeit obscure) CCAF formation hasn't been mentioned at all yet(at least I didn't see them being mentioned).

The Shin Legions.

Per FM:DC and FM:CC three Shin Legions existed at the time Romano Liao became chancellor. They decided to defect to the Draconis Combine, but only two of them made it. Of them the Second Shin Legion was destroyed during the Clan invasion. The First Shin Legion then returned upon Sun-Tzu's invitation for expatriates to return home.

Just my two € cents

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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #61 on: February 08, 2010, 10:14:58 AM »

CJvR

Quote from: Hessian
The Shin Legions.
IIRC the Shin Legions were formed by the remnants of CCAF units cut off from the Confederation and who crossed into the DC to continue the war from there as DCMS mercenaries so they would not exist until SW4.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #62 on: February 08, 2010, 10:19:18 AM »

Hessian
Quote from: CJvR on April 13, 2009, 08:24:09 AM
IIRC the Shin Legions were formed by the remnants of CCAF units cut off from the Confederation and who crossed into the DC to continue the war from there as DCMS mercenaries so they would not exist until SW4.

Nope.

Both FM's describe the First Shin Legion, which is the sole surviving unit(remnant) of an organization that numbered three regiments at the time Romano Liao assumed the throne.

FM:CC p101 tells us that "the three Shin regiments fled the Confederation for the Draconis Combine after the Fourth Succession War. Two made it and were accepted by House Kurita as line regiments".

FM:DC p110 tells us that "The(1st) Shin Legion is actually the remnants of an expatriate Capellan unit that fled the Capellan Confederation shortly after Romano Liao assumed the throne. During the final years of Chancellor Maximilian Liao's reign, the unit's members frequently and publicly commented on his obvious mental instability.
When Romano assumed the throne , the legion's warriors grew concerned that they might fall prey to Romano's ruthless purge of those she perceived as threats to her realm and authority. When a unit commander died in a mysterious off-planet automobile accident during the second year of Romano's reign, the unit members immediately suspected the hand of the chancellor and her Maskirovka.
The original three Shin Legions the began to plan their defection from the Confederation. Although the Third Legion later learned that their commander had simply fallen victim to a drunk driver, all the Shin Legion members realized that they no longer felt safe in the Confederation and realized that they would spend Romano's reign continually lloking over their shoulders. As a result they, they decided to carry out their plan to flee the Capellan Confederation.
The Legions' paranoia proved well founded , however, when Maskirovka agents in the First and Third Regiments betrayed the units to port authorities, who launched immediate efforts to detain or destroy the Legions. The First Shin managed to fight its way free and escape Capellan space; the second eliminated the spies in its midst before the Maskirovka could do any damage. The Third Shin, however, fell in afirefight that nearly destroyed another Capellan regiment and the spaceport from which the Third was attempting to launch."

On p 111 of FM:DC we are told that "the Second Shin Legion had fallen to Clan Smoke Jaguar" and that "the First absorbed the survivors of the Second Shin".

So the Shin Legions were clearly a formation numbering three regiments(at the time Romano Liao assumed the throne).

Page 139 of Historical War of 3039 also lists the first and second Shin Legions in the Draconis Combine deployment table(obviously after their defection from the Capellan Confederation).

The real question, in my opinion, though, is: did they already exist in 2785? Since they do not appear in the original House Liao SB it will be interesting to see if the Shin Legions will be included and if so in what form and shape. But thats for Takiro to decide.

Just my two € cents

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Hessian

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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #63 on: February 08, 2010, 10:19:43 AM »

Takiro

In 2785 there isn't evidence of the Shin Legion whose first real mention is in the 3000s. Over on CBT it was a point contention that the Lost Legion was a part of the Shin Legion but again there is no evidence of that. Just the word Legion to link them isn't enough in my mind.

I will change the 21st Centauri Lancers to a footnote in the SIAC rather than its own unit. Thanks for the catch.

Still considering the Sian Parent Formation name, so please continue to tell me what you'd prefer instead of the Common Army or if you like Common Army.

How did you guys like the rest of the overview? I'm especially curious about the Capellan Lancers which I came up with to address many concerns.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #64 on: February 08, 2010, 10:28:26 AM »

Hessian

Quote from: Takiro on April 13, 2009, 10:31:49 AM
In 2785 there isn't evidence of the Shin Legion whose first real mention is in the 3000s.

Indeed. They suddenly appear in the Field Manuals with no previous mention in the House Liao SB.

Quote from: Takiro on April 13, 2009, 10:31:49 AM
Over on CBT it was a point contention that the Lost Legion was a part of the Shin Legion but again there is no evidence of that. Just the word Legion to link them isn't enough in my mind.

Wasn't aware of that and I guess you are probably right.
Although I must say that personally I like the name Shin Legion(s) and their descriptions in FM:DC and FM:CC. So to see them approved in BTSD would be fine with me, though I understand if you decide otherwise Takiro.

Quote from: Takiro on April 13, 2009, 10:31:49 AM
Still considering the Sian Parent Formation name, so please continue to tell me what you'd prefer instead of the Common Army or if you like Common Army.

Well I already cast my vote in favor of MechRat's proposal.

Quote from: Takiro on April 13, 2009, 10:31:49 AM
How did you guys like the rest of the overview? I'm especially curious about the Capellan Lancers which I came up with to address many concerns.

Well I like what you came up with Takiro. I think this is a good way to explain the many Lancers units within the CCAF. It also gives them a certain ring I like. Found no fault with the content of the rest of your writeup. However, in my opinion the Tikonov Border Guard and the Sian Common Army(or whatever its final name will be) are a tad too large formations. It seems to me that the CCAF prefers a multitude of smaller formations(at least from what is known from FM:CC and the House Liao SB).

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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #65 on: February 08, 2010, 10:28:41 AM »

Rainbow 6

I like it even the Sian Common Army name now.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #66 on: February 08, 2010, 10:29:01 AM »

Ice Hellion

I think the Northwind Highlanders should be mercenaries.
They may have signed with the Capellan Confederation to keep their planet out of harm and House Liao would have certainly accepted that to avoid a costly campaign
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #67 on: February 08, 2010, 10:29:22 AM »

Takiro

Quote from: Ice Hellion on April 13, 2009, 08:15:34 PM
I think the Northwind Highlanders should be mercenaries.
They may have signed with the Capellan Confederation to keep their planet out of harm and House Liao would have certainly accepted that to avoid a costly campaign.

Actually the Turin Light Cavalry and the Northwind Highlanders are mercenaries as well as Capellan Line Units. This confusing issue will be explored in the report.

Glad you liked the Capellan Lancers, I wanted to give them a Liao angle and think mission accomplished.

One last issue remains the name for the Commonalty Forces of Sian. Here is what it looks like so far.
Sian Common Army (FirstStarLord, Rainbow 6)
Sian Citizens Army or Sian Peoples Army (CJvR, Irose)
Sian Commonality Guard (MechRat, Hessian)
Hurry up and vote now for your favorite or create your own!
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #68 on: February 08, 2010, 10:29:47 AM »

Ice Hellion

Sian Citizens Army or Sian Peoples Army.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #69 on: February 08, 2010, 10:30:08 AM »

Takiro

Okay folks I think this thread is just about wrapped up. Only issue that remains is the Sian Commonalty Force name. Results thus far below. Remember to vote for your favorite or create your own.

Sian Common Army (FirstStarLord, Rainbow 6)
Sian Citizens Army or Sian Peoples Army (CJvR, Irose, Ice Hellion)
Sian Commonality Guard (MechRat, Hessian)
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #70 on: February 08, 2010, 10:30:23 AM »

muttley

Sian Commonality Guard
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #71 on: February 08, 2010, 10:30:44 AM »

wolfcannon


sian commonality guard
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #72 on: February 08, 2010, 10:31:02 AM »

takiro

Thanks Mutt and WC, keep those votes coming. Here are the current results.

Sian Common Army (FirstStarLord, Rainbow 6)
Sian Citizens Army or Sian Peoples Army (CJvR, Irose, Ice Hellion)
Sian Commonality Guard (MechRat, Hessian, Muttley, Wolfcannon)
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #73 on: February 08, 2010, 10:31:17 AM »

MechRat

Wow,

Something I proposed is actually becoming popular? Shocked Who could have pictured that... Wink
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #74 on: February 08, 2010, 10:31:42 AM »

Takiro

Alright before more people vote for MechRat's idea and swell his ego well beyond the point of no return Grin I'd like to propose a solution which will put a bow on this Overview of the CCAF. The Sian Commonalty Guard shall be the name of that Parent Formation discussed. A Chancellor (whom I yet to identify) taken into account the size (grown far beyond the original Commonwealth to become Capella's largest including the disputed Andurien worlds) and its importance (the capital region of the Confederation) reorganized this Commonalty Force during the Star League era. Previously it had been named the Sian Common Army in honor of its predecessor like other Commonalty Forces.

What do you think?
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