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3144 Inner Sphere Map
« on: July 03, 2012, 12:49:59 AM »

DRAFT 3144 IS Map attached for comment.  I wanted input from various quaters as to whether I have the borders correct or not, as I do not own any of the DA books.

The map also shows the LC/Wolf advance and pre-War LC border, just to depress fellow Lyran fans.

I then have to cut the polygons for the Provinces and Regions and then make educated guesses as to what the internal borders and capitals of some states would now be. 

Any help will be greatly appreciated.
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Re: 3144 Inner Sphere Map
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2012, 12:57:39 AM »

Haven't touched my DA books yet, so I'm pretty much stuck in 3130
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« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2012, 01:23:40 AM »

I have a few of the DA books I'll have a look at the maps and list the planets under each realm if that helps
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Re: 3144 Inner Sphere Map
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2012, 06:30:27 AM »

I have a few of the DA books I'll have a look at the maps and list the planets under each realm if that helps

If you just check for errors in what I have shown, that would be perfect, saves listing all of the planets.
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Re: 3144 Inner Sphere Map
« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2012, 12:54:42 AM »

The only books that will really show 3144 is Bonfire of Worlds (and possibly the later two FWL books). Every other map is set well before that. And I only have the Bonfire map in the PDF, where you can't zoom in any way readable.
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Re: 3144 Inner Sphere Map
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2012, 01:51:51 AM »

I have the bonfire PDF in the 15 parts.  What section is the map in?
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Re: 3144 Inner Sphere Map
« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2012, 05:15:29 AM »

I think a map for 3144 is quite a stretch really, apart from the events shown in Bonfire. No other novel even touches 3140, and between fortress in 3136 and the reformation of the FWL in 3139 there is so much going on with worlds changing hands, banding together and so on, that it's just impossible to extrapolate the entire inner sphere for 4 years.

Just two examples: The Senate Alliance, which has the capital on Augustine and controls a handful of worlds around it stays a separate entity even after the formation of the FWL. So the borders there would definitely be wrong for 3140 but we have no info about 3144. Also in 3136 Vega becomes independent as the Vega Protectorate under rule of the Ghost Bear's Omega Galaxy, who cut their ties to the Dominion in order to serve Vega. AFAIK we don't have any info if they stay, get smashed or even expand to nearby planets. There are many such examples, which is why I think 3144 is almost impossible right now.

I'd recommend to set up a 3140 map (or even 3136 first), where at least some hard facts are known, and once that is done include anything beyond bit by bit, first Bonfire and then anything else if and when it becomes available. I'm also in the process of re-reading some of the DA novels, and I can supply some hard facts when they come up during my reading.

I have to say this whole map project is really a great thing and a huge service to the community. Thank you so much!
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Re: 3144 Inner Sphere Map
« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2012, 06:11:36 PM »

I have the bonfire PDF in the 15 parts.  What section is the map in?

I have the full novel in one file, so I can't say definitely. However, the Wolf Empire map is posted just before the Acknowledgements section. Presumably, this would be part 15.


I think a map for 3144 is quite a stretch really, apart from the events shown in Bonfire.

It's a lot of guesswork. Most of it comes from the fans who took the full IS 3144 overlay map (provided on the Bonfire map) and put it over the 3130 map. As you mentioned, things like the Vega Protectorate worlds, the Senate Alliance, and the various independent former Republic worlds...they all become very problematic.
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Re: 3144 Inner Sphere Map
« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2012, 06:44:57 PM »

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I think a map for 3144 is quite a stretch really, apart from the events shown in Bonfire. No other novel even touches 3140, and between fortress in 3136 and the reformation of the FWL in 3139 there is so much going on with worlds changing hands, banding together and so on, that it's just impossible to extrapolate the entire inner sphere for 4 years.

This is the main reason for the request for assistance, as I have next to no working knowledge of the novels past Falcon Rising, something I began to change by starting Threads of Ambition two days ago.

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Just two examples: The Senate Alliance, which has the capital on Augustine and controls a handful of worlds around it stays a separate entity even after the formation of the FWL. So the borders there would definitely be wrong for 3140 but we have no info about 3144. Also in 3136 Vega becomes independent as the Vega Protectorate under rule of the Ghost Bear's Omega Galaxy, who cut their ties to the Dominion in order to serve Vega. AFAIK we don't have any info if they stay, get smashed or even expand to nearby planets. There are many such examples, which is why I think 3144 is almost impossible right now.

Fair point, maybe 3144 is a map to far...



That I might do, thanks for the tips and any information you can provide would be greatley appreciated.

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I have to say this whole map project is really a great thing and a huge service to the community. Thank you so much!

Thanks for the kind words, it is nice to know they are assisting people.
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Re: 3144 Inner Sphere Map
« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2012, 06:47:17 PM »

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I have the full novel in one file, so I can't say definitely. However, the Wolf Empire map is posted just before the Acknowledgements section. Presumably, this would be part 15.

Can't see it for looking.  Is there any chance you can make a copy of the map for use in the mapping?

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It's a lot of guesswork. Most of it comes from the fans who took the full IS 3144 overlay map (provided on the Bonfire map) and put it over the 3130 map. As you mentioned, things like the Vega Protectorate worlds, the Senate Alliance, and the various independent former Republic worlds...they all become very problematic.

I am sure they do.  I might use the idea jerome had and start from 3130 again and go map by map, instead of trying to jump to far ahead.
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« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2012, 09:55:48 PM »

Can't see it for looking.  Is there any chance you can make a copy of the map for use in the mapping?

Attached below. I'm terrible with knowing anything about image files or manipulation, so if you need something more than that...you're out of luck. :)
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« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2012, 12:21:56 AM »

Thanks
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« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2012, 12:36:07 AM »

At least that also gives a good view of Vega and the remaining ROTS independent worlds.
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Re: 3144 Inner Sphere Map
« Reply #13 on: July 05, 2012, 04:05:32 AM »

wow, i never knew that map existed. that renders both my examples obsolete *lol* Senate Alliance seems to be gone and Vega Protectorate expanded to a good part of Prefecture I...
Still I think a step-by-step approach would be a good idea with all the sketchy information.

BTW, are you going to release the shape files for the new maps as well?
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« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2012, 04:43:05 AM »

I'll get those out and I missed the Provinces for the Dominion in 3085 and 3130.
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