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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2010, 08:50:04 PM »
Scourage72

Sarna does come in handy.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2010, 08:50:29 PM »
Ice Hellion

Maybe we should not count Sword of Light regiments that did not go into combat.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2010, 08:50:58 PM »
Takiro

Found my old notes on the Draconis Combine Mustered Soldiery, admittedly there isn’t much canon help but here are some of my ideas. Again while there is no canon evidence could there have been other Kurita regiments based on early Japanese military groups like Otomo (Great Escort). Long ago I saw there could be at least two other candidates mentioned in the Encyclopedia Britannia. The Kumebe (Corporation of Soldiers) and Mononobe (Corporation of Arms) could be two heritage formations that together with Otomo form the Draconis Guards. Again this is a non canon BTSD idea I thought I would float and see if we wanted to add two regiments to the DCMS.

For the Sword of Light regiments I think we’ll just stick to my original plans which have the 6th as the Gold Dragon and Minoru’s old guard. I do like the idea of the 9th Sword of Light as opposed to the 4th and as for continuity issues I’ve decided to stop caring as it isn’t our problem to resolve future issues that may or may not come to pass in BTSD. So here are each of the SoL units at the start of the Succession War; 1st Sword of Light (the Ivory Dragon), 2nd Sword of Light (the Steel Dragon), 3rd Sword of Light (the Teak Dragon), 6th Sword of Light (the Gold Dragon), and 9th Sword of Light (the Jade Dragon). What do you think?

Again I could fine no evidence of that the Proserpina Hussars were any larger than four regiments. Some thoughts and questions; could the Hussars be the Deneb Light Cavalry of the Star League or the Confederation Reserve Cavalry of the Capellans? Did they serve as the rapid response force of the Draconis Combine with a regiment deployed in each Military District during the Star League era? Since there were four Districts and four regiments it could very well be. Do the Hussars have links to the University of Proserpina (even though the SLSB entry doesn’t seem to fit with the Hussars), if so does that make them a little more pro Star League or questionable in the eyes of Draconians? Not the Coordinator mind you, although they could be more loyal to Minoru then embracing Jinjiro’s new ways, but the Hussars were never fanatical state devotees.

Not sure what to focus on with the Arkab Legion as they have three Mech regiments per canon. Their child regiments are the 2nd, 4th, and 5th Arkab Legions which specialize in raiding and recon. I suppose we could look at the connections to the Saurimat from ISP2.

Could one of the most damning signs of Draconis military expansionism be the Sun Zhang Cadre? To explain we had a previous discussion what the appropriate number of Academy Cadres would be necessary for the DCMS to maintain during this era which is about 5% of its total force strength. For example a 100 Mech Regiment DCMS would have 5 Sun Zhang Cadres while a 120 Mech Regiment Pillar of Steel would have 6 and a 140 regiment would have 7. The large pool of available recruits and high standards for limited billets in the general military are a few reasons why the DCMS has 8 Cadres. This should probably be one of our focus points in this unit’s write up.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #18 on: February 04, 2010, 08:51:27 PM »
Quote from: Takiro on April 20, 2009, 08:56:51 PM
Again I could fine no evidence of that the Proserpina Hussars were any larger than four regiments. Some thoughts and questions; could the Hussars be the Deneb Light Cavalry of the Star League or the Confederation Reserve Cavalry of the Capellans? Did they serve as the rapid response force of the Draconis Combine with a regiment deployed in each Military District during the Star League era? Since there were four Districts and four regiments it could very well be. Do the Hussars have links to the University of Proserpina (even though the SLSB entry doesn’t seem to fit with the Hussars), if so does that make them a little more pro Star League or questionable in the eyes of Draconians? Not the Coordinator mind you, although they could be more loyal to Minoru then embracing Jinjiro’s new ways, but the Hussars were never fanatical state devotees.

I don't know about the size of the Hussars but they were linked to the University of Proserpina, see HKSB p. 146


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Not sure what to focus on with the Arkab Legion as they have three Mech regiments per canon. Their child regiments are the 2nd, 4th, and 5th Arkab Legions which specialize in raiding and recon. I suppose we could look at the connections to the Saurimat from ISP2.

I would focus on how they are "foreigners" but fiercely loyal to the Dragon.

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Could one of the most damning signs of Draconis military expansionism be the Sun Zhang Cadre? To explain we had a previous discussion what the appropriate number of Academy Cadres would be necessary for the DCMS to maintain during this era which is about 5% of its total force strength. For example a 100 Mech Regiment DCMS would have 5 Sun Zhang Cadres while a 120 Mech Regiment Pillar of Steel would have 6 and a 140 regiment would have 7. The large pool of available recruits and high standards for limited billets in the general military are a few reasons why the DCMS has 8 Cadres. This should probably be one of our focus points in this unit’s write up.

Would the "trainees" of the Sun Zhang cadres count against the limits for army sizes- I know the limits don't apply to reserves and militias (HBHD p.45) but what about trainees?
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2010, 08:52:04 PM »
FirstStarLord

You know in traditional East Asian societies, four is an extremly unlucky number. For a unit as steeped in mythology and tradition like the Sword of Light, they would take that very seriously. The fact that eventually a SoL regiment numbered the 4th was annihilated in one of the most disastrous battles of the 2nd SW would reinforce that view. I don't think such a regiment would exist at the start of the 1st SW. Only the desperation of the conflict itself would cause the DCMS to ignore the tradition.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2010, 08:52:44 PM »
Takiro

I would think they count. While I do consider them trainees the Academy Cadres are post graduates honing their skill before they receive a line assignment. Those failing to earn a billet elsewhere would be recycled until they are replaced by new graduates. If that happens I think they'd become ronin or militia forces.

Another big aspect for the DCMS write up could be a philosophical split between old school Minoru soldiers and the new warriors of Jinjiro. Similar to split between Takashi and Theodore. I think some new Samurai see Minoru as weak while Jinjiro's aggressiveness appeals to them. Of course the old school views these rookies as unwise at best and dangerous at worst. Perhaps replacing Jinjiro with Zabu has already been considered but rejected by Minoru as a politically unwise move. As it would show weakness in some circles. Thoughts?

Thanks FirstStarLord, great advise on the fourth. That sounds good to me. Did you buy the reason to omit the 5th, respect for the number 5 in Combine society.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2010, 08:53:08 PM »
FirstStarLord

Five is considered a very lucky number in Chinese society, and that could have spilled over into Combine culture. After all, no matter how much the Combine tries to pattern itself after Feudal Japan, outside cultural influences have infiltrated it.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2010, 08:53:35 PM »
Lord Grayson

hmm just noticing in dark ages the 4th and 9th Sword of light are reformed and the 9th isn't named after a pillar maybe there are more then 5 regiments just only 5 of them are named for the pillars
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #23 on: February 04, 2010, 08:53:58 PM »
Takiro

Curious LG, what is the 9th named for?
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #24 on: February 04, 2010, 08:54:23 PM »
LordGrayson

its in one of the profiles of the dark age cards mentions a problem with the name of one of the units and that they might have a problem with it when they join the DCMS. Amaterasu<- but I don't think thats the name given to the 9th
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #25 on: February 04, 2010, 08:54:42 PM »
Takiro

Interesting from Wikipedia;

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In Japanese mythology, a sun goddess and perhaps the most important Shinto deity (神 ,kami?). Her name, Amaterasu, means literally "(that which) illuminates Heaven". She was born from the left eye of Izanagi as he purified himself in a river and went on to become the ruler of the Higher Celestial Plain (Takamagahara).

She is also said to be directly linked in lineage to the Imperial Household of Japan and the Emperor, who are considered descendants of the kami themselves.

Speaking of this is there any thoughts on the Kumebe (Corporation of Soldiers) and the Mononobe (Corporation of Arms) I proposed before?
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #26 on: February 04, 2010, 08:55:17 PM »
Ice Hellion

Quote from: Takiro on April 20, 2009, 08:56:51 PM
could the Hussars be the Deneb Light Cavalry of the Star League or the Confederation Reserve Cavalry of the Capellans? Did they serve as the rapid response force of the Draconis Combine with a regiment deployed in each Military District during the Star League era? Since there were four Districts and four regiments it could very well be. Do the Hussars have links to the University of Proserpina (even though the SLSB entry doesn’t seem to fit with the Hussars), if so does that make them a little more pro Star League or questionable in the eyes of Draconians? Not the Coordinator mind you, although they could be more loyal to Minoru then embracing Jinjiro’s new ways, but the Hussars were never fanatical state devotees.

The Prosperina Hussars are the elite free floating units, with a legendary reputation for hit and run attacks, which makes them perfect for some kind of cavalry unit (even more since they seem to have been formed from a tank regiment in the early Kurita army).
They are linked to the Prosperina University and their main reputation problem is linked to their status as free floating units.
Also, their commanders have the right to test the skills of any 'MechWarrior sent to his unit. The test is based on fighting and reacting in a highly mobile situation (+1 for the cavalry).


Quote from: Takiro on April 21, 2009, 08:06:46 PM
Speaking of this is there any thoughts on the Kumebe (Corporation of Soldiers) and the Mononobe (Corporation of Arms) I proposed before?

Yes for early DCMS but no for the modern one.
Units linked to corporations (even in name) are too close to mercenaries for House Kurita.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #27 on: February 04, 2010, 08:59:01 PM »
FirstStarLord

Quote from: Takiro on April 21, 2009, 08:06:46 PM
Interesting from Wikipedia;

Speaking of this is there any thoughts on the Kumebe (Corporation of Soldiers) and the Mononobe (Corporation of Arms) I proposed before?

I've never heard of these units. In real life, what role did they play in the Japanese military?

Also Takiro, have you ever heard of the Shinsengumi? Or the ÅŒban? Or the military corps of Aizu? They might provide some good ideas for DCMS units.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinsengumi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%8Cban_(Great_Watch)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byakkotai
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #28 on: February 04, 2010, 08:59:24 PM »
Takiro

Unfortunately it doesn't look like these heritage units will take off on their own but what we could do is use these as nicknames for child units we have to create. Either that or we could save them for later use. Thank you FirstStarLord, very informative. I shall try to come up with an overview as I think we are pretty much set now.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #29 on: February 04, 2010, 08:59:45 PM »
Takiro

While assembling a final overview of the DCMS circa 2785 I stumbled on to something I should have done with the Capellans. What Military Academies currently exist in the Draconis Combine?

Confirmed
Sun Zhang Mechwarrior Academy
Aerospace and Interstellar Institute
University of Proserpina
Galedon Military Academy
Pagoda for Luthien Officers
Wisdom of the Dragon
Internal Security College
Minoru Kurita University

Questionable
Kensai Kami?
Sun Tzu School of Combat?
An Ting University?
Rasalhague?

I'd like to get your thoughts on the questionable so chime in.
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