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Rainbow 6

I think Irurzun for the Benjamin academy.

Pesht's being on Pesht sounds good too me.

Asked about Sun-Tzu on CBT but no one there knows either, the only logical suggestion i've had in response was that it is on New Samarkand like the Sun Zhang Academy. Not sure if i like that though.

Did Theodore Kurita start his military eduction at Sun-Tzu?

MechRat

Quote from: Rainbow 6 on April 25, 2009, 10:06:27 PM
I think Irurzun for the Benjamin academy.

I agree.

Quote from: Rainbow 6 on April 25, 2009, 10:06:27 PM
Asked about Sun-Tzu on CBT but no one there knows either, the only logical suggestion i've had in response was that it is on New Samarkand like the Sun Zhang Academy. Not sure if i like that though.

Well, in "modern" canon BT times weren't the Sun Zhang and Sun-Tzu Academies intense rivals because of the differences in their ideologies? Wouldn't that information be in FM:DC? I don't think they would be located on the same world but should be nearby.

Hessian

Quote from: Takiro on April 25, 2009, 09:56:11 PM

Great, the Rasalhague Military Academy will be located on Radstadt then. This along with the Galedon Military Academy located on Matsuida sets a precedent then. It would seem District Military Academies are located on Prefecture capitals within their region but not on the District capital itself. So for the Benjamin Military Academy we have five possible sites for their facility. Kajikazawa (which I have to mark as a Prefecture Capital on our 2785 Map), Proserpina, Xinyang, Irurzun, or Baldur. I would take Proserpina (cause it has an academy and alot of other stuff already) and Baldur (a non-canon fill in) out of the running. I have a favorite but what do you think; Kajikazawa, Xinyang, or Irurzun?


I'd like to suggest Kajikazawa, simply because it sounds more Japanese to me and because of its location quite close to the Lyran border.


Quote from: Takiro on April 25, 2009, 09:56:11 PM

I'm also okay with the Pesht District Gymnasium being located on Pesht itself. Sounds like a smaller facility then a District Military Academy. What do you think the differences are? However if we went the Prefecture angle we have Irece, Albeiro, Bjarred, Qandahar, and Ningxia to chose from.


First of all: I think that locating District Military Academies on Prefecture capitals and District Gymnasium's on District capitals is a good idea that should be implemented.

Given the description of the Dieron District Gymnasium in FM:DC I think the District Gymnasium's are indeed smaller than a District Military Academy and concentrate on a single military occupational specialty.
My vision for District Gymnasium's thus would be:
-fairly low number of highly trained annual graduates
-only one(or at most two) military occupational specialty provided(probably MechWarrior/AerospacePilot)
-emphasize on actual combat training to the point of virtually disregarding political doctrine, with cadets
 training at their own pace
-under close scrutiny by the ISF, which posts at least one agent to guard against infiltrations
-the bushido philosophy is not promoted
-no elaborate enrollment procedure; any applicant who meets the physical and mental requirements is
 accepted
-most graduates end up assigned to the respective district regulars organization

Ciao
Hessian

Takiro

Draconis Military Academies
Sun Zhang Mechwarrior Academy (New Samarkand)
Aerospace and Interstellar Institute (Midway)
University of Proserpina (Proserpina)
Pagoda for Luthien Officers (Luthien)
Wisdom of the Dragon (Kagoshima)
Kensai Kami (Bicester)
Internal Security College (New Samarkand)
Minoru Kurita University (??)
Sun Tzu School of Combat (??)
Galedon Military Academy (Matsuida)
Benjamin Military Academy (Irurzun or Kajikazawa?)
Rasalhague Military Academy (Radstadt)
Pesht District Gymnasium (Pesht)
Proving Grounds (nation wide)
Algedi Training Camps (Algedi)
Ashio Training Camps (Ashio)

So the Draconis Combine will have sixteen major military academies at this time.

I guess we are never going to resolve the Sun Tzu or Minoru Kurita locations. We could always leave them blank, kind of skirt the issue.

For the Benjamin Military Academy its down to Irurzun or Kajikazawa. Truth be told I favored Kajikazawa but I could see either. Let me know what you think.

Gonna try and rap this thread up for an outline today.

Takiro

Quote from: Ice Hellion on April 26, 2009, 04:53:08 PM
Yes but no to your political conclusions (at least for two districts).

Dieron Regulars never cared much for politics (FM:DC p.48).
Benjamin Regulars were relaxed about politics (FM:DC p.40).
Galedon Regulars are known for loyalty and their recruits have to be approved by the ISF (FM:DC p.59).
Pesht Regulars were trained by older warriors or those the Coordinator felt a need to keep an eye on (FM:DC p.69).
For Rasalhague Regulars, I do not think I need to stress the need for political reliance.

Don't forget about the time period Ice. Irose correctly pointed out that the Pesht Regulars were (Originally no different from other district forces- sometime during the SWs became a place for Veterans to go and train newer soldiers. HKSB p. 144) and they were (Smallest forces of all the districts- rarely saw combat FM:DC p.  69). I view the Pesht Regulars as highly reliable force who may suffer from some "Social General" tendencies Combine version of course. Think about the assignment at this time. Isn't really front line so why would you want to be there? Brown Nosing? Possibly or would it be for personnel under consideration for high rank but further evaluation is still needed.

Certainly the Rasalhague Regulars are under constant watch by the ISF cause we don't need any native sympathizers. Their assignment to the Lyran and Rim border is a chance to earn glory but they probably feel like their under constant attack. From rebels and the ISF alike.

Galedon has a proud heritage as the Combine's first District. That along with the Davion-Outworld border gives them ample oppurtunity for combat. Extremely patriotic and likely the most loyal.

I can see Benjamin being relaxed about its political concerns. They border the Lyran Commonwealth, the Federated Suns, and the Terran Hegemony. They likely see the most foreign trade and interaction especially during the Star League era.

Takiro

I was thinking it might be located closer to Terra because of a couple of Theodore Kurita clues. His posting to the Dieron District and that quote about never letting the Hegemony reunite. No proof of course.

Takiro

Quote from: Ice Hellion on April 27, 2009, 07:46:53 PM
If we keep the Terran origin, I do agree with you Takiro.

And we do agree on the Rasalhaguen, Galedon and Benjamin Regulars.
For the Pesht Regulars, Social Generals, "bad" guys (this is the Combine after all) and people who need further testing could be an option (mixing them should be quite fun).

I am hesitant to declare a site site for the Sun Tzu Academy but because of the Clan invasion and the departure of Rasalhague we know it ain't there. It is just a hunch that it is in the Dieron District.

More thoughts on the District Regulars as I went through them today in detail. I will start with Pesht since Ice and I are talking Social Generals. I used the term as a stand in for brown nose or favored person. Assignment to the capital District of the Combine can have its political advantages. And if we want to punish you well we can send you to the ass end of nowhere. Thinking about it today I would say politics probably plays the biggest role in this assignment. Remember the adage keep your friends close but your enemies closer. I was thinking potential hard cases might get stuck here under careful watch. It is another way for favored individuals to prove themselves, see how they react as well, if they can get any thing out of these problems.
Another note about the Pesht Regulars, have they ever fought in a large scale engagement to this point in history. I mean a few regiments might have been shipped here or there but they have never faced any real challenge to their station. Did they go on the offensive during the Reunification War even?
For child units the Pesht Regulars present us with our easiest case. Essentially 1 through 10 (1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, and 10th regiments) as child units. We already have information on the 3rd (although the Gray Panthers nickname might have to change), the 4th (Evening Warriors), the 6th (The New Hopes), 7th (The Future Guards), 9th (Pride of Pesht), and the 10th (Red Dawn). We even have a note on the 1st meaning only the 2nd, 5th, and 8th have got to be made up completely from scratch.

The Galedon Regulars pose a more difficult challenge as we have to reach 21 regiments. We have a confirmed 10 (2nd, 5th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 12th, 16th, 17th, 19th, 24th) commands leaving us 11 to be detailed. The 21st Galedon Regulars is a question mark as it sounds like they might have been formed or reformed during the 3rd SW. So there are 13 possible commands you guys can chime in on having or not (1st, 3rd, 4th, 6th, 10th, 11th, 13th, 14th, 15th, 18th, 20th, 22nd, 23rd). Please let me know if you have an idea or two for a child unit in any of these formations.

The Rasalhague Regulars have 8 confirmed units (4th, 5th, 8th, 9th, 13th, 17th, 20th, 22nd) leaving us 13 to detail in some fashion. We have 14 possible numbers for inclusion (1st, 2nd, 3rd, 6th, 7th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 14th, 15th, 16th, 18th, 19th, 21st) leaving us one to leave out. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Finally the Benjamin Regulars have nine confirmed units including the 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 6th, 9th, 11th, 15th, 17th, and the 22nd. Again this leaves us 13 possible numbers for inclusion (1st, 4th, 7th, 8th, 10th, 12th, 13th, 14th, 16th, 18th, 19th, 20th, and the 21st) for 12 open slots. Let me know!