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Takiro

Quote from: CJvR on June 02, 2009, 03:27:13 PM
They don't need that to explain the size of the LCAF. The Steiners would probably have gone for quality over quantity. Fewer big massive clonkers instead of many smaller ones. Give the Lyran regiments some 5 ton extra per machine and they will be about where they should be in relation to military budgets and firepower - and about where canon sources put them.

140 ( AFFS BM reg ) * 60 ( guesstimated average mech mass ) = 8400
122 ( LCAF BM reg ) * 65 ( guesstimated average mech mass ) = 7930

Fairly close to where one would expect an industrial power like the LC...

Another solid point CJvR but lets stay on track with the FWLM.

I was thinking 128 to 130 BattleMech regiments in total for the FWLM.

92 regiments confirmed below. NOTE: I include three proposed regiments maybe in the Provincial Guard write up and those Don't factor into that 92 number.

Federal Troops (48 regiments)

Free Worlds Guards (6 regiments)
Overview: The Free Worlds Guards is the crème of the FWLM.
Inspiration: Established canon formation, see HMSB and FM FWL
Child Units: 1st Free Worlds Guards, 2nd Free Worlds Guards, 3rd Free Worlds Guards, 4th Free Worlds Guards, 5th Free Worlds Guards, 6th Free Worlds Guards

Atrean Dragoons (14 regiments)
Overview: The Atrean Dragoons.
Inspiration: Established canon formation, see HMSB and FM FWL
Child Units: 1st Atrean Dragoons, 2nd Atrean Dragoons, 3rd Atrean Dragoons, 4th Atrean Dragoons, 5th Atrean Dragoons, 6th Atrean Dragoons, 7th Atrean Dragoons, 8th Atrean Dragoons, 9th Atrean Dragoons, 10th Atrean Dragoons, 11th Atrean Dragoons,
12th Atrean Dragoons, 13th Atrean Dragoons, 14th Atrean Dragoons

Marik Militia (28 regiments)
Overview: The Marik Militia is the largest body of the FWLM.
Inspiration: Established canon formation, see HMSB and FM FWL
Child Units: 1st Marik Militia, 2nd Marik Militia, 3rd Marik Militia, 4th Marik Militia, 5th Marik Militia, 6th Marik Militia, 7th Marik Militia, 8th Marik Militia, 9th Marik Militia, 10th Marik Militia, 11th Marik Militia, 12th Marik Militia, 13th Marik Militia, 14th Marik Militia, 15th Marik Militia, 16th Marik Militia, 17th Marik Militia, 18th Marik Militia, 19th Marik Militia, 20th Marik Militia, 21st Marik Militia, 22nd Marik Militia, 23rd Marik Militia, 24th Marik Militia, 25th Marik Militia, 26th Marik Militia, 27th Marik Militia, 28th Marik Militia

Provincial Forces (44 regiments +)

Provincial Guards (2 regiments +3 maybe more)
Overview: While nominally an allied force of independent League provinces House Marik has used the formation as a quasi federal unit.
Inspiration: Using the canon Marik Guard and Iron Guard I created this formation
Child Units: Marik Guard (Marik Commonwealth), Iron Guard (Denebola expatriates), Stimson Guard (Regulan Free States), Principality Guard (Gibson), Commonalty Guard (Rim Commonalty), plus a few independent worlds possibly (Irian, Kendall, etc.)

Fusiliers of Oriente (5 regiments)
Overview: The Fusiliers of Oriente.
Inspiration: Established canon formation, see HMSB and FM FWL
Child Units: Ducal Guard, 1st Brigade, 2nd Brigade, 3rd Brigade, 4th Brigade,

Oriente Hussars (11 regiments)
Overview: Oriente Hussars.
Inspiration: Established canon formation, see HMSB and FM FWL
Child Units: 1st Oriente Hussars, 2nd Oriente Hussars, 3rd Oriente Hussars, 4th Oriente Hussars, 5th Oriente Hussars, 6th Oriente Hussars, 7th Oriente Hussars, 8th Oriente Hussars, 9th Oriente Hussars, 10th Oriente Hussars, 11th Oriente Hussars

Orloff Grenadiers (5 regiments)
Overview: Another Oriente unit at this time.
Inspiration: Established canon formation, see HMSB and FM FWL
Child Units: 1st Orloff Grenadiers, 2nd Orloff Grenadiers, 3rd Orloff Grenadiers, 4th Orloff Grenadiers, 5th Orloff Grenadiers

Regulan Hussars (9 regiments)
Overview: The forces of the Principality of Regulas rebuilt after the Scourge and the Marik Civil War.
Inspiration: Established canon formation, see HMSB and FM FWL
Child Units: 1st Regulan Hussars, 2nd Regulan Hussars, 3rd Regulan Hussars, 4th Regulan Hussars, 5th Regulan Hussars, 6th Regulan Hussars, 7th Regulan Hussars, 8th Regulan Hussars, 9th Regulan Hussars

Stewart Dragoons (5 regiments)
Overview: The forces of the Stewart Commonalty are strong allies of House Marik.
Inspiration: Established canon formation, see HMSB and FM FWL
Child Units: Home Guard (1st Stewart Dragoons), Juggernaut (2nd Stewart Dragoons), Swarm (3rd Stewart Dragoons), Steel Rain (4th Stewart Dragoons), The Companions (5th Stewart Dragoons)

Defenders of Andurien (6 regiments)
Overview: The forces of the rump Duchy of Andurien are critics of the Mariks.
Inspiration: Established canon formation, see HMSB and FM FWL
Child Units: 1st Defenders of Andurien, 2nd Defenders of Andurien, 3rd Defenders of Andurien, 4th Defenders of Andurien, 5th Defenders of Andurien, 6th Defenders of Andurien

Graham Grenzers
Overview: Formerly the Grenadiers of the Graham-Mariks.
Inspiration: BTSD formation established to eventually replace the Sirian Lancers
Child Units: 1st Graham Grenzers




Possible New Units

We would need 36 to 38 more regiments in addition to the confirmed 92 above.

Please refer back to the Provincial Guard formation as well for my thoughts.

Olympian Hoplites (3 regiments - Federal Training Cadres)
Kalidasan Regulars (3 regiments – Forerunners of the Silver Hawk Irregulars)

Elements of these SLDF units joined the Free Worlds League after the fall. Could these returning Marik nationals make up a new House unit? Certainly the Captain-General attitude towards them might affect this. Would the League put these guys together to avoid them breaking up along Provincial lines?
5th Mechanized Infantry Division
63rd Mechanized Infantry Division
166th Mechanized Infantry Division (Red Diamond Division)
189th Jump Infantry Division (The New Orleans Division)
209th Mechanized Infantry Division

Bolan Thumb??

Abbey-Tamarind??

Tarmanid Sultanate (Miss Kotare) 3 or 4 regiments? Got to look over my notes for more info later.

It's possible the Abbey District has a small military force 3-5 regiments. The duchy of Tamarind doesn't exist at this point so Tamarind may have a force but I doubt it would be that big.  I could also see several regiments in the Bolan Thumb region.

Keep in mind that every world may have a military force which could count towards the provincial force- from HBHM p. 94:
The provincial forces fielded by each of the League's principalities have been described as everything from the backbone of the League defense to the bane of its existence. Regardless of one's personal viewpoint, however, no survey of Free Worlds military forces would be complete without mentioning these separately maintained and controlled armies.From the tiny Duchy of New Assam (whose army consists of thee regiments of infantry, four batteries of mobile artillery and two battered Wolverines) to the powerful military establishment of Oriente and Andurien (each of which can field five full regiments of mechs, several jumpships and about 50 infantry and armor regiments), the provincial forces are a constant thron on the side of the Marik.

Given the above statement we can if you want pick a number of worlds and give each of them a mech regiment.

Quote from: Takiro on June 02, 2009, 09:05:35 PM
Basically that is what the Provincial Guard is for Irose. It is a catchall force for important independents to have a line BattleMech regiment. Worlds like Irian are certainly important enough and have the necessary base to support such formations.

I would not have  a "provincial Guard" formation. As much of a pain as it will be each world should have an individual force since that is how they will trained, equipped and deployed.

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Bolan is an interesting question mark. Did they belong to a larger unknown province? Or would they have a Guard regiment (destroyed prior to the publication of this book by Lyran conquest).

I would make Bolan part of a larger province- if only because it means we can give them several regiments in one organization- I think it will be less work for us.

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When was the Duchy of Tamarind formed? Could it have had a larger forerunner lost to history? I ask because it is usually easier to go down then go up i.e. form a coalition of independent worlds into a duchy

I can't tell you specifically when the duchy formed, it first appeared on the map showing the FWL after the 3rd SW (i.e. it did not exist at the start of the 3rd SW)

CJvR

Shouldn't there be a provincial unit from the Marik state as well?
Or was it federalized like the Terran army in the SL?

Takiro

Yeah I would think the Marik Militia was. Six I like the League Regulars (although we already have the Kalidasan Regulars any other fall back name suggestions?) at say 5 regiments (one for each divisional element) in strength although we could go slightly more. Perhaps a regiment for Loyalists?

I was looking at the map last night and the Duchy of Tamarind is close to the Bolan Thumb. Could have been a League province over there. What do you think its name was? I used to call the area the Bolan Reaches, FYI. Give me a proposal for its history and background.

Matter of fact while we are on the subject give me proposals for any multi world provinces you think may have existed at this time.

Ice Hellion

Quote from: Rainbow 6 on June 02, 2009, 08:41:57 PM
Given the nature of the League some would end up as federal formations and some as provincial. Those with large numbers of Free Worlds citizens within there make up would probably end up as provincial formations whilst those with large numbers of citizens from elsewhere in the Star League will become Federal formations where SAFE will have an easier time keeping an eye on them.

I do agree with Rainbow 6

Quote from: Takiro on June 02, 2009, 09:05:35 PM
When was the Duchy of Tamarind formed? Could it have had a larger forerunner lost to history? I ask because it is usually easier to go down then go up i.e. form a coalition of independent worlds into a duchy

Or it could be a Marik creation to increase their hold on the borders without being too straightforward.

Takiro

Just doing some reading and research on the Bolan-Tamarind Province. Bolan was attacked by Steiner in 2427 its first mention in either HMSB or HBHM. Indicating that it joined the League during its initial expansion. We know the League was formed in 2271 and grew (page 11 HMSB) by incorporating neighboring states that wanted protection from pirates and hostile neighbors. The League also granted letters of Marque to privateers that spread the need for greater security. Could a Bolan-Tamarind proto-state based on trade (certainly if Tamarind had a shipbuilding tradition even in those days this could be the reason) near the Protectorate of Donegal have existed back then? Possibly. Thoughts?