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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 notes
« Reply #75 on: February 05, 2010, 10:12:13 PM »

Takiro

Okay I think we are all set with units and the ideas behind them. What about Military Academies? Here is a list from FM FWL with some questions.

Aitutaki Academy (Regulas)
Allison Mechwarrior Institute - OMI (New Olympia)
Athene Combat School – ACS (Atreus)
Atreus Officer Training College (Atreus)
Humphreys Training Academy (could this facility have been moved to Kanata from Andurien after the formation of the Star League?)
Lloyd Marik-Stanley Aerospace School – LMS (New Olympia)
Princefield Military Academy (Oriente)
Orloff Military Academy – OMA (based on Vanra close to the Capellan border and I'm not entirely sure if Orloff has attained its independence from Oriente yet, did it exist at this time or was it founded later)

As I noted a few posts ago the Hero Training Institute is detailed in the original House Marik SB. Founded in 2989 it is located on Maxwell within the Abbey District, I'd say its capital world. Could this for profit private institute be a sad remnant of a Templar facility? If so what is its name? Details?

Could Kalidasa have a military academy?

The Bolan Association and the Tarmanid Sultanate are good candidates for military academies of their own. What would they be?

Odd that Marik (on the planet I mean) doesn't have a military academy....

Also what of League's secondary method of military recruitment. These facilities or methods fall somewhere between Primary (National) Military Academies and Tertiary (found on every inhabited world) Planetary Academies. So far we've had Draconis Proving Grounds, Davion Regional Academies, and Liao's Lancer Program as examples of these innovative training models.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 notes
« Reply #76 on: February 05, 2010, 10:12:30 PM »

Rainbow 6

Humphreys Training Academy - Yes move it to Kanata
Orloff Military Academy - Not sure if Orloff is independent yet, but i think the academy exists anyway.
Hero Training Institute - I think the Maxwell site should be the former academy of the Abbey Templars, also in the original 3025 housebook it says their are 3 Hero Training Institutes so we have 2 more potential academies to place, personally i feel one should be on Lesnovo and one on Kalidasa.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 notes
« Reply #77 on: February 05, 2010, 10:13:07 PM »

Quote from: Takiro on June 19, 2009, 02:47:36 PM
Lloyd Marik-Stanley Aerospace School – LMS (New Olympia)

Wasn't Lloyd Marik-Stanley a figure from the 2nd SW (he was a regent for Elizabeth Marik?? I'm not at my books) so I don't think the academy would exist at this point or at the minimum it needs a new name.

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The Bolan Association and the Tarmanid Sultanate are good candidates for military academies of their own. What would they be?

Going with the Pakistan connection for Bolan in Pakistan the military Academy is just the Pakistan Military Academy so maybe just have the Bolan Military Academy.

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Odd that Marik (on the planet I mean) doesn't have a military academy....

Maybe it moved to Atreus with the formation of the FWL?

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Also what of League's secondary method of military recruitment. These facilities or methods fall somewhere between Primary (National) Military Academies and Tertiary (found on every inhabited world) Planetary Academies. So far we've had Draconis Proving Grounds, Davion Regional Academies, and Liao's Lancer Program as examples of these innovative training models.

Given the diversity of the FWL, I suspect that every world has it's own Boot Camps for training troops.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 notes
« Reply #78 on: February 05, 2010, 10:13:27 PM »

Ice Hellion

Orloff became independent in 2691

Quote from: lrose on June 19, 2009, 05:02:51 PM
Given the diversity of the FWL, I suspect that every world has it's own Boot Camps for training troops.

Yes but I think you would only find intermediate training grounds at the Provincial level.
Maybe two for each (except the smallest) and 3-4 for the largest/more militaristic.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 notes
« Reply #79 on: February 05, 2010, 10:14:07 PM »

Takiro

Irose you are absolutely right about Admiral Lloyd Marik-Stanley, the commander of the Marik Guard interestingly enough, who became "captain-general" in 2883. He shared power with Elizabeth Marik who returned from ComStar service for six years until his death in battle over Aldebaran. I don't think we need a whole new academy however just a name. I might think about striking Aerospace from the LMS name as well because of the time period of the renaming which has witnessed the extinction of "Naval" assets and the predominance of aerospace fighters.

Thanks for the date again Ice on Orloff. I keep forgetting. This and other Provincial details like the state of Regulan politics (the recently elevated Cameron-Jones family vs. the Schenk family who were the Marik appointed stewards) as well as Intendency of New Grenada (aka the Intendency of New New Spain or the Southwestern Worlds) can be included for sake of current events. So we can keep the OMA and its close ties to Oriente.

Moving the Humphreys Training Academy to Kanata does sound appropriate even could explain the name.

The Bolan Military Academy is a bit no frills but ultimately acceptable for that Province's school.

Still need some other names for the Provincial Academies of the Tarmanid Sultanate (something Turkish), the Abbey District (something Knightly), and the Duchy of Kalidasa.

Yeah I guess Marik closed its academy down or moved it to show greater unity or some such with the League.

I agree with the diversity aspect of the League but where is the making money aspect. Their secondary training method should really incorporate both. Could Hero Training Institutes be it? As Six eludes to could there be more (possibly many more) located on worlds throughout the League willing to educate anyone with enough money to pay for it??
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 notes
« Reply #80 on: February 05, 2010, 10:14:30 PM »

Rainbow 6

According to the Hero Training entry on pg113 of the original marik handbook "for every hero training institute there are 5 others that are partial or total scams."

Also as of 3025 the 3 Hero Training sites are training over 1400 people at any one time.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 notes
« Reply #81 on: February 05, 2010, 10:14:54 PM »

Quote from: Takiro on June 19, 2009, 07:08:56 PM
Irose you are absolutely right about Admiral Lloyd Marik-Stanley, the commander of the Marik Guard interestingly enough, who became "captain-general" in 2883. He shared power with Elizabeth Marik who returned from ComStar service for six years until his death in battle over Aldebaran. I don't think we need a whole new academy however just a name. I might think about striking Aerospace from the LMS name as well because of the time period of the renaming which has witnessed the extinction of "Naval" assets and the predominance of aerospace fighters.

I didn't mean to imply we should get rid of the academy- we should just rename it-


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Still need some other names for the Provincial Academies of the Tarmanid Sultanate (something Turkish), the Abbey District (something Knightly), and the Duchy of Kalidasa.

For Tarmanid how about Kara Tarmanid Okulu - which if I got it right translates into Tarmanid Military Academy
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 notes
« Reply #82 on: February 05, 2010, 10:16:14 PM »

Takiro

Quote from: Rainbow 6 on June 19, 2009, 09:11:07 PM
According to the Hero Training entry on pg113 of the original marik handbook "for every hero training institute there are 5 others that are partial or total scams."

Also as of 3025 the 3 Hero Training sites are training over 1400 people at any one time.

After rereading the Hero Training Institute I doubt they were around at this time. They sound like a Succession War product. However, it could have had a basis in an older idea. Perhaps a more reputable government regulated albeit corporate endeavor to find the best warriors for military and private service. It could explore all sorts of innovative ways from funding video games to judge potential piloting skill. Smiley That is unorthodox granted as this effort would likely use more proven methods to evaluate and train personnel. The Free Worlds League could fund it in part and see a return in skilled personnel who might have fallen through the cracks while corporate types could find a source of qualified security personnel.

Quote from: lrose on June 19, 2009, 09:43:05 PM
I didn't mean to imply we should get rid of the academy- we should just rename it-

My bad, we do need a new name for this facility and I think it should be something naval not aerospace. I'll have to do a search of TRO2800 and make sure we didn't mention LMS by name as that would be an error.

Quote from: lrose on June 19, 2009, 09:43:05 PM
For Tarmanid how about Kara Tarmanid Okulu - which if I got it right translates into Tarmanid Military Academy

I great suggestion based on the Turkish Military Academy, Miss K would be proud! However I just did a translation on the Kara Harp Okulu (Turkish Military Academy) that might shed light on this.

Turkish - English
Kara - pref.  nigr / n. earth, ground, land, sable, shore, smut, terra firma / adj. black, dark, ivory black, overland, sable, territorial, sooty / n. snow / v. brown / n. profit, gain, benefit, avail, capital, catch, fruit, gainings, increment, melon, return, avails, pay dirt

Harp - n.  war, warfare, harp, sackbut

Okulu - n.  school, college, academy, shop / n.  arrow, missile

We could just keep the Kara Harp Okulu as the Tarmanid school doesn't sound out of place.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 notes
« Reply #83 on: February 05, 2010, 10:20:29 PM »

FirstStarLord

As for Kalidasa, I would see no reason for them to not have a military academy during this period. If they have their own provincial military, then I'm sure they want to train their own officers to lead it. You could call it the Kalidasa Defense Academy, since Kalidasa is right on the League-Commonwealth border and defense would be their primary mission.
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« Reply #84 on: February 05, 2010, 10:20:50 PM »

Takiro

I agree with you FirstStarLord, granted the only mention we have of an imprtant Duchy of Kalidasa is during the Marik Civil War and they backed the wrong side there. I like the Kalidasa Defense Academy. So here is what we have so far;

Established Canon
Aitutaki Academy (Regulas)
Allison Mechwarrior Institute - OMI (New Olympia)
Athene Combat School – ACS (Atreus)
Atreus Officer Training College (Atreus)
Humphreys Training Academy (Kanata)
Princefield Military Academy (Oriente)
Orloff Military Academy – OMA (Vanra)

BTSD Creations
Bolan Military Academy (Bolan)
Kara Harp Okulu (Ayn Tarma)
Kalidasa Defense Academy (Kalidasa)

Needs a New Name
Lloyd Marik-Stanley Aerospace School – LMS (New Olympia)
Abbey District - Abbey Templars (Maxwell)

Secondary Military School
I'm really liking the privatized schooling option for the FWLM. Additional hooks I've thought of, SAFE might have a great interest in these "dark" or lesser known schools. Good for plucking black ops guys with little background. Could this have served Marik well during the Hidden Wars? A supply of lesser known but highly skilled individuals might serve them well. Could this have had its drawbacks? Armed rebels the cause of frequent rebellions inside the League and possibly out?? Could it be a leading producer of mercs, at least of the old school vein (pre-SLDF and RWR, see Mercenary Guild)? Need a good corporate sounding name.
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« Reply #85 on: February 05, 2010, 10:21:15 PM »

Ice Hellion

Quote from: Takiro on June 20, 2009, 02:34:49 AM
Needs a New Name
Lloyd Marik-Stanley Aerospace School – LMS (New Olympia)
Abbey District - Abbey Templars (Maxwell)

Icarus School? A reference to the figure of Greek Mythology and to the real Hellenic Air Force Academy.
Manor House? Squire House?

Quote from: Takiro on June 20, 2009, 02:34:49 AM
I'm really liking the privatized schooling option for the FWLM. Additional hooks I've thought of, SAFE might have a great interest in these "dark" or lesser known schools. Good for plucking black ops guys with little background. Could this have served Marik well during the Hidden Wars? A supply of lesser known but highly skilled individuals might serve them well. Could this have had its drawbacks? Armed rebels the cause of frequent rebellions inside the League and possibly out?? Could it be a leading producer of mercs, at least of the old school vein (pre-SLDF and RWR, see Mercenary Guild)? Need a good corporate sounding name.

Nice idea but I would feel safer for the League if they were independent but followed the same formation guide.
Condottiere Schools?
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« Reply #86 on: February 05, 2010, 10:21:42 PM »

Takiro

Quote from: Ice Hellion on June 20, 2009, 03:54:54 PM
Icarus School? A reference to the figure of Greek Mythology and to the real Hellenic Air Force Academy.

Ice you started me thinking on the established military academies of the Free Worlds League. Now Allison doesn't right to me either. It also sounds like a product of the Succession War. After all the family died during that conflict. Perhaps it was also renamed during the conflict like LMS. Thoughts??

Quote from: Ice Hellion on June 20, 2009, 03:54:54 PM
Nice idea but I would feel safer for the League if they were independent but followed the same formation guide. Condottiere Schools?

Thanks for the suggestion Ice, was working on this all day. What do you think?

Private Military Academies
These independent institutions, which are not administered by any public agency of the Free Worlds League, educate individuals who have enough money to pay their tuition. While this maybe a bit of an oversimplification it is close to the truth. Of course, each academy has its own standards for acceptance which vary wildly based on the quality of services provided. The better the training or the less questions potential applicants want to answer the higher the fees.
PMAs incorporate the liaise-faire philosophy of the Free Worlds League at its very best, and as some critics would say its very worst. There is no discrimination at these facilities whose only prerequisite is having enough money to pay tuition. Having political connections, official standing, or any kind of influence really doesn’t matter here. Even physical disabilities can be overlooked for the right price.
The citizenry of the Free Worlds take a great deal of pride in these institutions as they help maintain their liberty and contribute to their basic rights like self defense. Even with trained rebels the cause of frequent rebellions inside the League no freedom loving individual would suggest shutting them down. The Periphery Uprising and the revelation that some participants may have been trained at PMAs has caused more introspection then previous revolutions.
Long accused of being the cat’s paw of House Marik these facilities may have connections going as far back to the privateers who prowled early League space. More recent connections during the Hidden Wars to the mercenary community and some rebel groups have drawn criticism. This comes mainly from foreign powers concerned with these martial academies who seem to produce chaotic warriors at best.
SAFE has also been accused of having a great interest in these "dark" academies. Many accuse them of plucking black ops guys with little background from these facilities. A supply of lesser known but highly skilled individuals might serve them well but there is no tangible evidence linking the covert agency to any of these facilities.
They can be found wherever profitability can be attained, except for Atreus. The federal government long ago decided to distant itself from these facilities. Aside from some basic regulation to insure safety Parliament has steered clear of the PMAs. The Free Worlds League is happy to see a return in skilled personnel who might have fallen through the cracks while corporate types could find a source of qualified security personnel.
The diversity of these facilities matches that of the Free Worlds League itself. PMAs use a variety of proven as well as unorthodox methods to evaluate and train personnel. Some notable academies include the Marik family’s which is maintained by the League’s principal household. This exclusive school which may have been the first of its kind is credited with the education of many Captain-Generals. While Irian features a corporate style academy geared at staffing company positions. Kyeinnisan serves as a mercenary training center as well as the keeper of old school merc traditions.
An excellent secondary method of military education as long as the money keeps flowing. It enables the League to find the best possible warriors for military and private service regardless of qualifications. The recent economic decline has caused some of these Private Military Academies to close due to lack of funding. Some predict that the fall of the Star League may endanger the PMAs which have become depend upon the prosperity of the Human Sphere for their continued survival.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 notes
« Reply #87 on: February 05, 2010, 10:22:15 PM »

Quote from: Takiro on June 21, 2009, 12:34:58 AM
Ice you started me thinking on the established military academies of the Free Worlds League. Now Allison doesn't right to me either. It also sounds like a product of the Succession War. After all the family died during that conflict. Perhaps it was also renamed during the conflict like LMS. Thoughts??

From FM:FWL p. 30- LMS has trained Fighter Pilots, Dropship & Jumpship Crews for "nearly 500 years"- but it's founding around 2559- maybe it was founded around say 2575 - to train soldiers for the RW.  The text also refers to LMS as "the insititute" so maybe it was simply known as the Naval Institute before it was renamed.  What's this have to do with Allison- given the rivalry between the 2 schools, I suspect they were founded around the same time - and since we now have a rough founding date for LMS, we can guestimate one for Allison.
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« Reply #88 on: February 05, 2010, 10:22:41 PM »

Takiro

The academies founding dates I have no problem with Irose what I'm speaking to is their current names. You bought up the fact that LMS was a Succession War era figure and the Aerospace School was likely renamed after his death in 2889. Well Ice's statement today got me thinking of the Allison family. They are right up there with the Marik's as original founders of the FWL, their importance can't be dismissed. The death of what had become a Mechwarrior family, the rulers of Oriente, was indeed a pivotal moment for the League. Might they have renamed their premier military academy after the fallen Allison clan? 2845 - Harlan Allison the last of his line died at the Sixth Battle of New Delos.

What I'm saying is both facilities had different names when the Succession War began. The original names were likely generic in nature; i.e. for their region or realm. I like where you are starting with the Naval Institute but I'd give it something more. Perhaps League Naval Institute? What would you suggest for the Mechwarrior Academy? Or do you have a problem with my period research??

Still searching for an Abbey school name although Ice's suggestion has got the juices following.
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« Reply #89 on: February 05, 2010, 10:23:00 PM »

I have no problem with the name Allison Mechwarrior Institute as it is not named after a specific Allison. The only strange part is that New Olympia is in the Marik Commonwealth- if you want to change the name that's fine with me- I don't really care that much either way.
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