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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 notes
« Reply #45 on: February 05, 2010, 09:47:49 PM »

Takiro

Quote from: Takiro on June 10, 2009, 08:45:30 PM
Then how about we use that, the Bolan Scouts? I like it! Sounds like a light force perhaps the League's rapid reaction force??

Hey I found their insignia, Bolan Scouts, over on a Pakistani defense web forum. Not a great image but perhaps a solid basis for us to start.

I really like its real world basis for this unit which ties in with the Frontier Corps a possible name for the Association's pre-Marik military. I see the Bolans as tremendous opportunists which makes for great merchants. They only picked the Free Worlds League after the early Lyran government proved unstable at first, then tyrannical soon after. It cemented the decision to join the League but it is just one of the numerous examples of their opportunism.

Quote from: Takiro on June 10, 2009, 08:45:30 PM
Still need a name for Abbey. Templars doesn't do it for me.

Looking through a unit name file now for hints. Not much info on this province which could have been formed during the Star League.

Quote from: Takiro on June 10, 2009, 08:45:30 PM
Was thinking more about the Olympian Hoplites today. Should we have them as a Federal Training Cadre or drop it as a League military philosophy. I'm starting to favor having the 4 regiment Hoplites as an academy project that grew into the Star League RCT. What I'm saying is perhaps the whole idea began here and the League copied it at least in part after their exercises. Or do you see a role we completely missed that the FWLM should have. Thoughts?

Any thoughts here?
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 notes
« Reply #46 on: February 05, 2010, 09:48:09 PM »

The Abbey District was originally a military dictatorships until the 2800s -HMSB p. 64  Maybe the unit could be called The Crusaders.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 notes
« Reply #47 on: February 05, 2010, 09:48:33 PM »

Takiro

Why the Templars and Crusaders for Abbey? Am I missing an obvious connection??
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« Reply #48 on: February 05, 2010, 09:48:52 PM »

FirstStarLord

Well we do know that on Maxwell there is a siginifcant Italian community, because after all who else would name their mountain infantry units "Alpini"? Plus having researched the names of their planets, I get a real European-Anglophone feeling from them. I think a title like the "Abbey Horse" might fit for the whole brigade, with individual reigments reflecting the backgrounds of the ethnic groups they are recruited from. We know the League did this with other units raised during the Star League era, so it might be a good foundation to build upon.

Another detail we might want to go with is round out the Rim Commonality forces a little bit by moving over a regiment or two to them. The Commonality seems to have a very large Slavic population living there based on the names of their planets, and I think we could do something really interesting with that.
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« Reply #49 on: February 05, 2010, 09:49:11 PM »

Rainbow 6

Ok if the Abbey District has a high Italian decended population how about the Abbey Cavalleria and for the Slavic based Rim Protectorate the Protectorate Arpads?
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« Reply #50 on: February 05, 2010, 09:49:43 PM »

Ice Hellion

Quote from: Takiro on June 11, 2009, 02:50:42 AM
Why the Templars and Crusaders for Abbey? Am I missing an obvious connection??

Too obvious it seems.  Grin
An abbey (from Latin abbatia, derived from Syriac abba, "father"), is a Christian monastery or convent, under the government of an Abbot or an Abbess, who serves as the spiritual father or mother of the community.

Quote from: Takiro on June 10, 2009, 08:45:30 PM
Was thinking more about the Olympian Hoplites today. Should we have them as a Federal Training Cadre or drop it as a League military philosophy. I'm starting to favor having the 4 regiment Hoplites as an academy project that grew into the Star League RCT. What I'm saying is perhaps the whole idea began here and the League copied it at least in part after their exercises. Or do you see a role we completely missed that the FWLM should have. Thoughts?

Do you mean the Free Worlds League copied the Star League? Because reading you I understood it the other way around.
Maybe we should have it as a Federal Training Cadre being used to test a new military philosophy merging the Marik traditions and the Star League RCT?
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 notes
« Reply #51 on: February 05, 2010, 09:50:07 PM »

Takiro

Hmm, the Abbey Templars are beginning to make more sense then. With their cultural European-Anglophone angle we could make the common thread that bought together the District religion. What do we have for info on the District itself, not much right? I figure we can fill in the blanks of this canon Province along with our new additions, the Tarmanid Sultanate and the Bolan Association.

For the Rim I think the Commonalty Guard will do fine. The slavic cultural angle might tie them to the Mariks historically and that works in perfectly with the Provincial Guard.

Ice I think you nailed it better than I did for the Olympian Hoplites. They are almost an OpFor of sorts modeled after the Star League RCT. They provide advanced tactical and strategic training for the FWLM. Perhaps they trained with SLDF as well as other House units.
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« Reply #52 on: February 05, 2010, 09:50:26 PM »

Rainbow 6

So the Hoplites regiments would be the equivilent of 2 Striker & 2 Light Horse Regiments? But would they be pure Mech with Aero support or combined arms?
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« Reply #53 on: February 05, 2010, 09:50:47 PM »

Takiro
Well they might be 4 regiments that go through the entire strata of Mech classes (Assault, Heavy, Medium, Light). I mean if your gonna be teaching formation you probably want the widest variety of equipment to train others with. I also see them as embracing the newest technologies and military innovations. However this all presents a massive maintenance challenge.

Like your new Marik pin Six! Wink

Did some thinking on the Abbey District today and I think we've got an angle. Take a look.

Could the Abbey District be an early version of the Protectorate (circa 3025)? About the only blurb describing the Province (Abbey) appears in HMSB. “Near the rimward edge of the Free Worlds space, the Abbey District was originally a military dictatorship, but it became a republic with the redistricting of 2862. As most of its industrial strength was smashed during the first two Succession Wars, the district has remained poor. Only recently has the discovery of germanium and other rare earths on the planet Hammer attracted trade with the Free Worlds’ trading cartels. Since its inception, the government of Abbey has remained staunchly in support of Marik.”

Now the Protectorate seemingly came into existence after Anton’s revolt when six independent worlds under his administrative control backed his attempted Coup. After Janos defeated his brother these worlds were consolidated into a single Province under the League’s direct control. Now could this have been the fate of the Abbey worlds after the Marik Civil War (2728-2734)?

The proudly independent worlds of what would one day become the Abbey District were horrified by the purges of Captain-General Elise Marik. These planets backed Oliver the Usurper during the Marik Civil War but were eventually subdued by the Loyalist Forces led by Bertram Marik. Occupied and consolidated under military authority the new Abbey District was formalized in the Treaty of Verona that concluded that bloody struggle.

Thoughts?
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 notes
« Reply #54 on: February 05, 2010, 09:51:12 PM »

Ice Hellion

Quote from: Takiro on June 12, 2009, 07:34:31 PM
Now the Protectorate seemingly came into existence after Anton’s revolt when six independent worlds under his administrative control backed his attempted Coup. After Janos defeated his brother these worlds were consolidated into a single Province under the League’s direct control. Now could this have been the fate of the Abbey worlds after the Marik Civil War (2728-2734)?

In Shattered Dawn, do their votes stand for or against the Marik family?
If they support the head of the Free Worlds League, I would say your explanation is a good one.
If they don't, maybe they were created after the Civil War but to give something to the losers (ie less strict Marik control).


Quote from: Takiro on June 12, 2009, 07:34:31 PM
Well they might be 4 regiments that go through the entire strata of Mech classes (Assault, Heavy, Medium, Light). I mean if your gonna be teaching formation you probably want the widest variety of equipment to train others with. I also see them as embracing the newest technologies and military innovations. However this all presents a massive maintenance challenge.

Yes for the second part, no for the first one.
4 different kinds of regiments cannot really work together.
The only example I have right now in mind is the 3rd RCT aka Eridani Light Horses. They were made of  two Striker Regiments and two Light Horse Regiments, which are both light units.
If you want to go with the full spectrum of 'Mech classes, I would suggest that the Hoplites are the core of 4 different Brigade Combat Teams (p. 51 of Terran Republic Field Manual), which would also bring them to the forefront of modern military thinking.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 notes
« Reply #55 on: February 05, 2010, 09:51:33 PM »

Rainbow 6

Quote from: Takiro on June 12, 2009, 07:34:31 PM
Like your new Marik pin Six! Wink

Did some thinking on the Abbey District today and I think we've got an angle. Take a look.

Could the Abbey District be an early version of the Protectorate (circa 3025)? About the only blurb describing the Province (Abbey) appears in HMSB. “Near the rimward edge of the Free Worlds space, the Abbey District was originally a military dictatorship, but it became a republic with the redistricting of 2862. As most of its industrial strength was smashed during the first two Succession Wars, the district has remained poor. Only recently has the discovery of germanium and other rare earths on the planet Hammer attracted trade with the Free Worlds’ trading cartels. Since its inception, the government of Abbey has remained staunchly in support of Marik.”

Now the Protectorate seemingly came into existence after Anton’s revolt when six independent worlds under his administrative control backed his attempted Coup. After Janos defeated his brother these worlds were consolidated into a single Province under the League’s direct control. Now could this have been the fate of the Abbey worlds after the Marik Civil War (2728-2734)?

The proudly independent worlds of what would one day become the Abbey District were horrified by the purges of Captain-General Elise Marik. These planets backed Oliver the Usurper during the Marik Civil War but were eventually subdued by the Loyalist Forces led by Bertram Marik. Occupied and consolidated under military authority the new Abbey District was formalized in the Treaty of Verona that concluded that bloody struggle.

Thoughts?

Thanks , DoT did it for me over on CBT, just need the others now  Smiley

Your idea makes sense to me, it gets my vote.

Quote from: Ice Hellion on June 13, 2009, 11:29:38 AM
Yes for the second part, no for the first one.
4 different kinds of regiments cannot really work together.
The only example I have right now in mind is the 3rd RCT aka Eridani Light Horses. They were made of  two Striker Regiments and two Light Horse Regiments, which are both light units.
If you want to go with the full spectrum of 'Mech classes, I would suggest that the Hoplites are the core of 4 different Brigade Combat Teams (p. 51 of Terran Republic Field Manual), which would also bring them to the forefront of modern military thinking.

Have to agree with ice on this one, the BCT idea could make the Hoplites the insperation for the Defenders of Andurien's BCT style that gave Thomas Marik the idea for the Free Worlds Legions.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 notes
« Reply #56 on: February 05, 2010, 09:51:54 PM »

Takiro

I think the Abbey explanation works but what can we imply from it, their European-Anglophone culture, and their name? Could the District, a military dictatorship, be a Christian province under the control of pro-Marik Chaplain? And how do the Templars get formed out of all of this?

I could see the Hoplites being a combined arms unit like a Terran BCT or the Davion Ceti Hussars. Certainly armor and infantry would add to their teaching capabilities.
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« Reply #57 on: February 05, 2010, 09:52:12 PM »

LordGrayson

Quote from: Ice Hellion on June 13, 2009, 11:29:38 AM


Yes for the second part, no for the first one.
4 different kinds of regiments cannot really work together.
The only example I have right now in mind is the 3rd RCT aka Eridani Light Horses. They were made of  two Striker Regiments and two Light Horse Regiments, which are both light units.
If you want to go with the full spectrum of 'Mech classes, I would suggest that the Hoplites are the core of 4 different Brigade Combat Teams (p. 51 of Terran Republic Field Manual), which would also bring them to the forefront of modern military thinking.

 The SLDF had a few RCT's that arn't just two type's regiments the terran and 1st RCT have 3 or more different type's of regiments. These had striker,light horse, hussar not sure if they had a dragoon regiment [site's down dang it Smiley can't check ]
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« Reply #58 on: February 05, 2010, 09:53:04 PM »

Takiro

Quite right LG, most of the Star League RCTs can be found in the SLSB's SLDF deployment pages.

Terran RCT (Terran Hegemony - I Corps)
277th Light Horse Regiment
138th Hussar Regiment
118th Dragoon Regiment
593rd Striker Regiment

1st RCT (Free Worlds League - not together, split between 3 different Corps)
42nd Hussar Regiment (IV Corps)
75th Light Horse Regiment (XXVI Corps)
138th Dragoon Regiment (XXVI Corps)
195th Royal Light Horse Regiment (XXXIX Corps)

2nd RCT (Lyran Commonwealth - Paget's War Ponies also detailed in the HSSB - need to look up)
25th Striker Regiment (LXI Corps)
* strangely enough this is the only unit mentioned in the SLSB, take a look in Merc Guild for our thoughts on how the 25th teamed up with their fellow SLDF regiment

3rd RCT (Draconis Combine - Eridani Light Horse - mentioned in several other sources)
71st Light Horse Regiment (XI Corps)
151st Light Regiment (XI Corps)
19th Striker Regiment (XI Corps)
21st Striker Regiment (XI Corps)

4th RCT (Federated Suns)
255th Light Horse Regiment (LXII Corps)
111th Dragoon Regiment (LXII Corps)
55th Royal Light Horse Regiment (LXII Corps)
247th Dragoon Regiment (LXII Corps)

5th RCT (Capellan Confederation)
1003rd Light Horse Regiment (LXXI Corps)
1010th Light Horse Regiment (LXXI Corps)
982nd Royal Striker Regiment (LXXI Corps)
997th Striker Regiment (LXXI Corps)

Anyhow back to the topic at hand the FWLM. I think we are pretty much set. Gonna compile everything and get onto the next House.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 notes
« Reply #59 on: February 05, 2010, 09:53:23 PM »

Ice Hellion

Quote from: Takiro on June 13, 2009, 03:41:53 PM
I think the Abbey explanation works but what can we imply from it, their European-Anglophone culture, and their name? Could the District, a military dictatorship, be a Christian province under the control of pro-Marik Chaplain? And how do the Templars get formed out of all of this?

Probably a bit too much.
Let's just say that some uninspired member of the military came with the name since the planet was named Abbey.
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