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Re: ComGuard Force Composition
« Reply #45 on: March 05, 2012, 04:57:18 PM »

My apologizes for not getting back to this topic sooner guys been very busy with some unfortunate real life stuff lately. What you've seen of my new ComGuard organization thus far is the Mech side of things. Alpha through Iota focus on the BattleMech as they did previously and while Kappa through Omega continues to see a diminishing Mech force I've noticeably tweaked the other units. Before you saw 39 (which I adjusted to 36 for a better base) fighters in every division now you'll see less (you have already in some of the Mech centric units) and more. Likewise Infantry and Armor get more love in some cases and for other occasions less. Think it gives the ComGuards even more flexiblity. Love to put more in but I'm pressed for time. Please comment!

Kappa   
Mechs: 90
Armor: 30
Infantry: 72
Fighters:24
Notes: Infantry V

Lambda
Mechs: 84
Armor: 84
Infantry: 30
Fighters: 18
Notes: Armored Cavalry V

Mu
Mechs: 78
Armor: 30
Infantry: 90
Fighters: 18
Notes: Infantry IV

Nu
Mechs: 72
Armor: 72
Infantry: 72
Fighters: 0
Notes: Mixed Apex, 6 Combined Arms Ground Battalions with no aerospace fighter support, garrison specialists

Xi
Mechs: 66
Armor: 36
Infantry: 102
Fighters: 12
Notes: Infantry III

Omicron
Mechs: 60
Armor: 60
Infantry: 60
Fighters: 36
Notes: 5 mixed bats with full aerospace support

Pi
Mechs: 54
Armor: 6
Infantry: 12
Fighters: 144
Notes: Aerospace Apex

Rho
Mechs: 48
Armor: 48
Infantry: 48
Fighters: 72
Notes: 4 mixed battalions with two aerospace battalions in support

Sigma
Mechs: 42
Armor: 90
Infantry: 60
Fighters: 24
Notes: Armored Cavalry IV

Tau
Mechs: 36
Armor: 36
Infantry: 36
Fighters: 108
Notes: 3 Mixed Ground Battalions with a full aerospace regiment

Upsilon
Mechs: 30
Armor: 96
Infantry: 72
Fighters: 18
Notes: Armored Cavalry III

Phi
Mechs: 24
Armor: 72
Infantry: 108
Fighters: 12
Notes: Infantry II with 6 Raiders (Leopard deployed Mech/Fighter units specializing in rapid strikes)

Chi
Mechs: 18
Armor: 108
Infantry: 54
Fighters: 36
Notes: Armored Cavalry II

Psi
Mechs: 12
Armor: 54
Infantry: 144
Fighters: 6
Notes: Infantry Apex with 3  Raiders (Leopard deployed Mech/Fighter units specializing in rapid strikes)

Omega
Mechs: 6
Armor: 144
Infantry: 12
Fighters: 54
Notes: Armored Cavalry Apex (base unit are tanks or heavy combat vehicles supported by fighters and others)
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Re: ComGuard Force Composition
« Reply #46 on: March 06, 2012, 01:00:45 PM »

A garrison unit without air support? The best way to defend yourself is to prevent the others to get on the planet and this can be done only with air support.
And also, you might need something with a little more range/punch to raid the rear zone of the attackers.
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Re: ComGuard Force Composition
« Reply #47 on: March 06, 2012, 03:38:59 PM »

A garrison unit without air support? The best way to defend yourself is to prevent the others to get on the planet and this can be done only with air support.
And also, you might need something with a little more range/punch to raid the rear zone of the attackers.

I'm going to second that. Do these divisions all enjoy integral transport capabilities? Just wondering.
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Re: ComGuard Force Composition
« Reply #48 on: March 06, 2012, 04:59:53 PM »

Before you saw 39 (which I adjusted to 36 for a better base) fighters in every division

The 39 fighter thing actually makes a lot of sense on a base six system. Half of a full level II as the overall aero level III command force. Additionally, it allows for some rather cool things like including three conventional spy/sensor craft or three support blimps/refueling vessels etc.
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Re: ComGuard Force Composition
« Reply #49 on: March 06, 2012, 10:08:54 PM »

Yes but for every unit scheme? I thought you might like to mix it up some get more others get less with my modifications.

Likely these units have their own transport yes.

Why does every ComGuard formation have to have fighters? One of my doesn't while others have a plethora.
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Re: ComGuard Force Composition
« Reply #50 on: March 07, 2012, 12:24:34 AM »

Why does every ComGuard formation have to have fighters? One of my doesn't while others have a plethora.

If units are operating at the regimental scale or larger, defensive or offensive, (most ComGuard units fit that criteria)...they're in serious trouble if they don't have any fighters. Yeah, fighters get underplayed and undervalued heavily in canon BT. But if you're reformatting the ComGuards, then you're not exactly in canon land anymore. :) There's absolutely nothing wrong with having the amount vary. But it does seem a little odd to have units that have none.
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Re: ComGuard Force Composition
« Reply #51 on: March 07, 2012, 08:06:05 AM »

...they're not poor mercenaries after all.  ;)
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Re: ComGuard Force Composition
« Reply #52 on: March 07, 2012, 12:21:50 PM »

Different formations for different purposes my friends. These would also be combined with other units to create level v which would have appropriate support.
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Re: ComGuard Force Composition
« Reply #53 on: March 07, 2012, 12:23:17 PM »

Different formations for different purposes my friends.

Sure. But what purpose exists that doesn't need some minor degree of air cover? In a space based setting, that's suicide.
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Re: ComGuard Force Composition
« Reply #54 on: March 07, 2012, 12:56:02 PM »

Different formations for different purposes my friends.

Sure. But what purpose exists that doesn't need some minor degree of air cover? In a space based setting, that's suicide.

I second that.
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Re: ComGuard Force Composition
« Reply #55 on: March 07, 2012, 01:18:41 PM »

By the same token, what's the likelyhood of multiple Divisions being based on the same world, so that one could afford to have all the Level V's fighters while the others focused purely on ground warfare?  While I think the idea of assigning fighters directly to companies or battalions is among the more ridiculous concepts of BT military organization, any ground force of significant size, reasonably expecting to encounter enemy action, is going to require some form of air support.  The modular nature of ComGuard forces certainly means that, should three or four Level IVs get together to assault the same target, they could very easily combine their aerospace assets ad hoc into an all-aero Level IV which operates in support of the other Level IVs as a whole.

I suspect that, pre-Clan Invasion, ComStar pretended it didn't have much in the way of AeroSpace assets, as it's much harder to argue that they're required to defend HPG stations than infantry, armor, and 'mechs.  So while I can see the fielding of Level IVs without (or apparently without) aerospace assets pre-3050, I don't find it likely that any would exist post-Tukayyid, unless multiple Level IVs were grouped & deployed together.
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Re: ComGuard Force Composition
« Reply #56 on: March 07, 2012, 02:08:39 PM »

So while I can see the fielding of Level IVs without (or apparently without) aerospace assets pre-3050, I don't find it likely that any would exist post-Tukayyid, unless multiple Level IVs were grouped & deployed together.

Agreed. Unless you're drastically shifting into AU territory, there's not a lot of opportunities for multiple CS Level IVs to deploy together, unless they're doing some major offensive op. It's the exception, rather than the rule.
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Re: ComGuard Force Composition
« Reply #57 on: March 07, 2012, 09:05:49 PM »

Well this is sort of for an AU anyway but how many fighters would you consider the bare minimum for a Level IV then? I don't like a full battalion uniformly across all compositions. Only 4 of my proposed formations have less than 18 (2 have 12, 1 has 6, and 1 has 0).

Also what of Vehicles? Did you like the greater numbers in some formations? I tried to build off the Jihad era ComGuard formations which deployed Vehicles instead of Mechs to replenish their overall numbers faster. Figured that might be a good idea here too. These units could be used to garrison HPGs while Mech units can be deployed to meet the Clans.
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Re: ComGuard Force Composition
« Reply #58 on: March 07, 2012, 10:12:05 PM »

Well this is sort of for an AU anyway but how many fighters would you consider the bare minimum for a Level IV then? I don't like a full battalion uniformly across all compositions. Only 4 of my proposed formations have less than 18 (2 have 12, 1 has 6, and 1 has 0).

Personally, I wouldn't go lower than 18. But if you want a hard floor, I'd say 12 would be that. Honestly, if you're going for more realistic numbers in this AU, I'd simply say to leave it at 18 or 36 (half a level III or a full level III). That way, you can have them as part of a dedicated air support level III (with the other half being conventional air and support vehicles) or a full level III (for the more offensive minded units, I guess).
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Re: ComGuard Force Composition
« Reply #59 on: March 18, 2012, 03:49:05 AM »

Just a question: what is the level of the smallest unit Comstar is expected to use/deploy?
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