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Putting the Khwarazm Empire on the Maps - literally!
« on: January 02, 2022, 04:45:37 AM »

I know that at least a few people were interested in the collection of home-modified Star Maps that I uploaded to the List of Completed Canon and AU Maps Child Board of the Cartography Central Board in .zip file format, which you can find at

https://www.ourbattletech.com/forum/cartography-central/list-of-completed-canon-and-au-maps/45/

if you're interested but hadn't noticed them before now, because 21 people had downloaded them the last time I checked. But it's been a little disappointing that, AFAIK, I'm the first person to make an attempt at placing the obscure Khwarazm Empire on the maps but nobody seems to be interested in starting a thread to argue the pros and cons of my placement or of any alternative placements anybody else might care to suggest. I'd been rather hoping for a lively debate or friendly argument about it, but... no such luck. :(

Am I the only person who finds this decidedly obscure faction interesting, and would like to know more about them... such as where exactly do they live? :(
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Re: Putting the Khwarazm Empire on the Maps - literally!
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2022, 08:00:36 AM »

I never looked at this faction. What brought them to your attention?
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Re: Putting the Khwarazm Empire on the Maps - literally!
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2022, 08:06:42 AM »

No, I am currently trying to figure out just where everything is in the Clan Invasion Corridor and I believe this is one of the minor factions conquered by the Jade Falcons along the Revival Road. I don't believe ISP3 points out any of the minor spots much in the Explorer Corps book though.

Found my list of Clan Worlds of the Deep Periphery. I am hoping to locate them all on a map (something currently not done in canon that I am aware of) as part of the Salient Horizon universe.

Pivot Prime – Smoke Jaguar holding, HPG relay station, mixed garrison star

Cermak – Smoke Jaguar

Siroc – Steel Viper holding, Deep Periphery

Khwarazm Empire occupied by Clan Jade Falcon in 3049
Herat
Nishapur
Marv
Urgenj

Here is a link to the ancient empire of that name on wikipedia which is today part of Uzbekistan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khwarazm
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Re: Putting the Khwarazm Empire on the Maps - literally!
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2022, 08:51:26 AM »

What brought them to my attention was that they're the last of the Deep Periphery minor states first mentioned in the Explorer Corps Sourcebook who didn't finally get shown on a Star Map in Interstellar Expeditions. Basically, I'm a completist!

Also, demi-god of mapmaking though he is, I still couldn't help feeling somewhat condescended to by this quote from Øystein Tvedten that I came across on www.sarna.net:

Notes

Commentary from one of the BattleTech Line Developers suggests that the Khwarazm Empire was destroyed or depopulated during the Wars of Reaving:

"... considering they were used by the Jade Falcons, and what has happened to the rest of the Coreward possessions of the Inner Sphere Clans...

With regards,

Øystein

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Pivot Prime is on my maps too! Look closely at the Veil of the Protector and you'll see it. :)
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Re: Putting the Khwarazm Empire on the Maps - literally!
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2022, 10:15:32 PM »

Did you see the latest information about a Seeker looking for this Empire??

https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Khwarazm_Empire#cite_note-3
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Re: Putting the Khwarazm Empire on the Maps - literally!
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2022, 10:27:49 PM »

No, I hadn't. Thanks! :)

Who knows? Maybe Øystein has finally started feeling guilty about that dismissive answer a decade ago and now wants to make amends at last? ;D

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In which case pedants like me could soon be free to start harassing him about where worlds like, say, Gutara V are instead! ;D
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Re: Putting the Khwarazm Empire on the Maps - literally!
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2022, 03:59:33 PM »

Since your post Hominid I've been gathering my thoughts on this and here are my notes.

Khwarazm Empire

Canon Source: Explorer Corps (page 98 & 99)
Location: Unmapped, Coreward of Terra in the Deep Periphery
Information: circa 3059, This proto-state consisting of four worlds (Herat, Nishapur, Marv, Urgenj) was forcibly occupied by Clan Jade Falcon in 3049. All worlds are said to be arid locales with many mountain ranges and large desert areas.

Historic Connections
A short lived empire which was defeated by the Mongols this Periphery nation serves as a nearly identical analog. 

Presumptions

- If the religion of these planets is predominately Muslim than it could be reasonable to assume that this nation was settled after the Islamic ban on space travel was lifted in the 2400s (Age of War). Alternatively, it could be later like its historic analog which lasted a little over one hundred and fifty years which would place it about 2900 (Succession Wars).   

- The words ‘forcibly occupied’ suggests there was some type of violent resistance by the natives during the early phases of Operation Revival. Later on, the contract states that ‘the Khwarami have no standing military, and rebel groups possess only small, personal weapons.’ However, this wouldn’t preclude a security staff perhaps even mercenaries for the merchant princes or militia that could drive off pirates prior to the Clans arrival.

- While this nation has no standing military per say it probably used of mercenaries to fend off pirates and bandits throughout its history. Without a permeant or professional force to protect it the Kharazm Empire would be easy prey. It could have militia to protect its worlds or security forces to protect the merchant princes and its jumpships.

- The description of the worlds seems to indicate little water and subsistence level farming for the majority of inhabitants. I’d estimate an Empire wide populace in the low millions scattered about their worlds just trying to eek out a living.

- The planets could be home to vast mostly untapped natural resources such as valuable coal, natural gas, copper, lithium, gold, iron ore, bauxite and prized rare-earth mineral reserves. The term merchant princes and jumpships being used together indicates some sort of interstellar trade which existed before the Clan arrival circa 3049.

- Significant albeit primitive aerospace industry, keeps their merchantile activities going throughout the Empire and perhaps beyond. Trading partners may have included the Hanseatic League and other smaller Periphery worlds. Appearance in the Explorer Corps Sourcebook (FASA1681) could denote their status as a destination before the Clan Invasion.   

- The Empire's modern trade goods could include a variety of items such as water (ice ships), agriculture (food plus), Medicine, Spacecraft, Luxury Items, etc. Items traded along the ancient Silk Road were silk, spices, tea, ivory, cotton, wool, precious metals, and ideas. Putting a darker spin on things we could also have them peddling illicit substances like drugs

Planets = Cities
Herat – city in Afghanistan
Nishapur – city in Iran
Marv – city in Turkmenistan
Urgenj - city in Turkmenistan

Presumably colonized by the Central Asian people of the historic Earth empire

As such the populace is largely if not wholly Islamic in regards to religion

Planets all named for cities located along the Silk Road
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Re: Putting the Khwarazm Empire on the Maps - literally!
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2022, 06:48:54 AM »

Interesting.
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The Remembrance (Clan Ice Hellion) Passage 5, Verse 3, Lines 1 - 5

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Re: Putting the Khwarazm Empire on the Maps - literally!
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2022, 03:59:56 PM »

While the Marian Hegemony is close to Rome in space like the Draconis Combine is to Japan this Deep Periphery nation may have strayed too close to its historic analog to remain in place.
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