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Re: TA 2785: Infantry of the 28th Century
« Reply #45 on: March 06, 2011, 06:39:03 AM »

Mechanizing Infantry. While contemplating a new dropship design that carries large numbers of motorized/mechanized infantry I started to think what actually moves them and does it fit. Such infantry platoon crucibles mass 7 tons the most mass per infantry types. Jump infantry platoons mass 6 tons, although there is 21 soldiers here as opposed to 28, and we know that they have special jump packs that facilitate their movement around the battlefield. Foot infantry has no exotic transport as a 28 man platoon weighs only 5 tons to transport via spacecraft.

Well all this got me thinking what mechanizes these infantry? A 50 ton hover Armored Personnel Carrier (APC) or Infantry Fighting Vehicle (IFV) seem out of the question. Even 30 ton helicopters (I know this is probably not mechanized infantry rather air cavalry) seem to weigh too much. You got 2 tons per infantry platoon to work with. So what moves all 28 of them at that rate? Scooters? Motorcycles? Hoversleds?

It is an interesting topic for this thread in particular cause mechanized infantry is likely the Frontline Standard at this time. Discuss!

What about using bicycles?
The use of bicycles improves the load a single trooper can transport.Usage of bicycle's also gives infantry troopers improved range and speed compared to foot infantry.
 
Footnote: The Swiss Army had a Bicycle Infantry regiment until 2001.
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Re: TA 2785: Infantry of the 28th Century
« Reply #46 on: March 06, 2011, 07:07:47 AM »

Another possible transport could simply be smaller trucks like those used in WWII, such as the Opel Blitz or ZIS-5(Truck). The latter being utilized for troops transportation(with 25 soldiers seated in five benches placed in the rear body).

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Re: TA 2785: Infantry of the 28th Century
« Reply #47 on: March 06, 2011, 08:29:17 AM »

Good points Ice and Hessian. I looked up Infantry in the new rules books and it seems that BattleTech has made an important clarification regarding this type of infantry. Motorized and Mechanized are now two distinct types. Motorized Infantry that retains the same transport weight appears to be any troopers who are carried into combat in unarmored units like jeeps, dune buggies, bicycles, etc. Mechanized Infantry is transported via armored units like APC or IFVs.

So here is the question - In the year 2785 would any House field a Line Infantry unit that is not Motorized, Mechanized, or Jump type? I would say no but I'd like to get your thoughts.

Foot infantry might be the exclusive purview of regional powers, noble guards, system defense forces, home guard, planetary militias, and conscript formations. Foot infantry are the real grunts doing almost everything by hand. Little to no mechanized help doing the most basic tasks like moving or entrenching.

If every InnerSphere Infantry Line unit that deploys in combat circa 2785 is aided by some type of motive system it vastly increasing their movement which is key doctrine at this time. I think that makes sense and gives them a big advantage over their 3025 counterparts.
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Re: TA 2785: Infantry of the 28th Century
« Reply #48 on: March 06, 2011, 12:44:44 PM »

Probably not except for Guard units or units operating in special areas (mountains, SWAT...).
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Re: TA 2785: Infantry of the 28th Century
« Reply #49 on: March 06, 2011, 09:57:42 PM »


So here is the question - In the year 2785 would any House field a Line Infantry unit that is not Motorized, Mechanized, or Jump type? I would say no but I'd like to get your thoughts.


If foot infantry were found in the SLDF I don't see why they wouldn't be in the House Armies. Per SLSB p 133 Infantry Divisions were composed of 2 brigades of Grunt (i.e. foot) infantry and were not dependent on vehicles. These divisions were used in terrain that barred vehicles including heavy forests, mountains and cities.  Per the unit listing on page 139 the SLDF had 50 Infantry divisions, compared to 75 jump infantry divisions and 200 mechanized infantry divisions.
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Re: TA 2785: Infantry of the 28th Century
« Reply #50 on: March 06, 2011, 11:25:42 PM »

Darn, good points Irose. Hmm, well would you say that the motive systems used by mechanized infantry in 2785 were better than those in 3025?
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Re: TA 2785: Infantry of the 28th Century
« Reply #51 on: March 07, 2011, 06:54:08 AM »

Darn, good points Irose. Hmm, well would you say that the motive systems used by mechanized infantry in 2785 were better than those in 3025?

Sure- there were probably more air mobile units and many of the units would be equipped with fusion powered IFVs (designs along the lines of the Goblin, Maxim or even Maultier but using a fusion engine) then ICE powered APCs armed with little more the MGs and very light armor.  I doubt the SLDF used a single version of the APC from TR3026- in fact those designs probably came back into vogue during the SW when they were the best that could be built.
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Re: TA 2785: Infantry of the 28th Century
« Reply #52 on: March 07, 2011, 03:52:36 PM »

Cool I think I'm gonna comply a list of Infantry Vehicles for our project here.
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Re: TA 2785: Infantry of the 28th Century
« Reply #53 on: March 16, 2011, 08:48:41 PM »

This is me, catching up (computer and connection issues).....

As to TRO3085, I honestly don't know about that era as well as I do pre-3060, so I don't feel comfortable commenting on it.

I will have to defer to those with a better understanding of internal FWL politics, but as to the Lyrans, although there will be serious graft and corruption on a regular basis, as it becomes clear that that there is an impending dust-up after Kerensky's pullout, there will be a rapid movement to get things fixed, and quick.

In re infantry motive power, most of the main House infantry units will be motorized or mounted on hover vehicles at the very least...with the proviso that unless we're talking about elite units, most "infantry" are likely to be little more than glorified, heavily-armed police. (This will NOT be the case inside the TH.)

Other than commando's, very few units will use actual parachutes for insertion...but actual Jump units will be largely for show.

Certain specialist units - mountain troops, or jungle units - will almost certainly remained foot-bound.

A good resource for bicycle infantry is "The Bicycle in Wartime", by Fitzpatrick: http://www.amazon.com/Bicycle-Wartime-Illustrated-History/dp/1574881574  -- "Smart" infantry will use these. "Most" infantry will not.
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Re: TA 2785: Infantry of the 28th Century
« Reply #54 on: March 16, 2011, 09:08:02 PM »

Good to see you back Hammer. I guess you can't motorize/mechanize every line infantry unit. I'll be working on some Terran infantry units in the near term and as Threat Assessments develops infantry for the Houses will come into view.
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Re: TA 2785: Infantry of the 28th Century
« Reply #55 on: March 20, 2011, 10:39:15 AM »

I guess you can't motorize/mechanize every line infantry unit.

No Army ever managed or really intended to do so.
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