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Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« on: February 03, 2010, 07:41:06 AM »
General Notes:
Only 2 units proved adept at lightning raids -Tamar Tigers and Stealths. FM:LA P. 11
LCAF lost 12 major regiments during the 1st SW FM:LA p. 11
2470s/80s mechs were first aquired byLC nobility HSSB p. 25
2506 Robert Steiner orders the Nobilities House troops to be placed under control of the LCAF. HSSB p. 27
Following amendment of 2752 increasing size of the House militaries the LCAF activated 3 mothballed regiments and created 10 new ones. LC Nobility also sought to increase their own private military forces at this time.  HSSB p. 37 HBHS p. 32
LCAF began a military build up around 2782 HSSB p. 41
LCAF has a few small units (besides the Tamar Tigers & Stealths) trained for raiding missions HSSB p. 45
 During reign of Duke Robert Steiner  private armies limited in the size of the mechs they could field. HSSB p. 45
At end of 1st SW LCAF lost 12 full regments, including the Tamar Tigers, 54th LG,181st Heavy Assault,  89th Air Wing.  Remaining 110 regiments suffered heavy casaulties with only 3 regiments able to field 60% of their forces. HSSB p. 51
25th Heavy Assault Regiment - stationed on Trolloc Prime at the start of the 1st SW. Commanded by Col. Jerico Marsden (one of the last descendants of Alaistair Marsden) Wiped out in the first battle of the 1st SW. HSSB p. 105
“thousands” of defectors fled into the RWR to Join the SL  during the coup. HBHS p. 34
A dozen line regiments were destroyed in the 1st SW, almost 10 times that number had been beaten to less then half strength HBHS p. 39

Arcturan Guards
Founded around 2341 to defend the capital. Originally armor & Infantry forces.  1/4 of their forces have to come from Arcturus.  FM:LA p. 54
Regiments which may date back to 2785: 11th, 15th, 17th, 19th, 20th, 23rd & 25th FM:LA
8th AG nickname came during first SW formed  ? HSSB p. 69
9th AG disbanded after 6th, 7th & 8th battles of Hesperus II due to heavy losses HSSB p. 62
11th AG Golden Lions formed ? HSSB p. 69
15th AG Stavlos Tigers formed ? HSSB p. 69
17th AG Kezla Rams formed ? HSSB p. 69
19th AG Puma formed ? HSSB p. 69
20th AG White Bears of Uther -specialize in cold weather warfare formed ? HSSB p. 69
20th AG fought on Alexandria in 2953 HSSB p. 72
23rd AG Frost Giants formed ? formed from Arcturan Northern Nomads & Tharkan Woodsmen HSSB p. 69
24th Red Indians formed ? HSSB p. 69
25th Ag Kewran Wolfhounds formed ? HSSB p. 69


Donegal Guards
date back to the Protectorate of Donegal.  At their heigh they contailed 100 regiments, 20 of which were battlemech forces. FM:LA p. 62
2nd DG “Unwearied Second”- originally 11th Terran Rangers-stranded after the uprising against the alliance, eventually joined the Protectorate as the 2nd unit of the Donegal Guards. FM:LA p. 63
3rd DG “Justice Brigade” name comes from role in the Centenary celebration of the COmmonwealth Supreme Court in 2643. FM:LA p. 64
4th DG- nickname did come into use until 2846 FM:LA p. 65
5th DG Bulldogs may date to SL era FM:LA p. 66
6th DG White Hawks - may date to SL Era FM:LA p. 67
7th DG Earthquakers - may date to SL Era nickname may be more recet FM:LA p. 68
8th DG  Mud Wrestlers - may date back to SLDF era- nickname is from 2895 FM:LA p. 69
10th DG Lilly’s Lancers - formed ? nicknamed after 1st CO impaled a DC mech with a girder HSSB p. 68
11th DG  The Push ME Pull Yours regiment - may date to SLDF era FM:LA p. 70
12th DG formed ? HSSB p. 33
12th DG nickname the Crocodiles HSSB p. 68
13th DG formed in early 2nd SW FM:LA p. 71
14th DG - formed? nickname is from 3rd SW FM:LA p. 72
17th Dg- Formed? FM:LA p. 73


Lyran Guard
Formed 2341 as main force of the new LCAF FM:LA P. 74
At their heigh they numbered almost 60 regiments (not clear if all were mech regiments) FM:LA p. 74
1st LG destroyed by clans - Formed ?  FM:LA p. 74
2nd LG - fought DC on Port Mosbey later disbanded HSSB p. 57
2nd LG fought in 2nd SW commanded by Claudius Steiner HBHS p. 42
2nd LG fought on Port Moseby in 1st Sw TR3025 p. 24
3rd LG Eversworded Third- formed ? FM:LA p. 75
3rd LG nickname did not come into use until 1st SW HSSB p. 51
5th LG The Steadfast - formed ? FM:LA p. 76
5th LG NOTE: Not mentioned in HSSB
6th LG Saucy Sixth formed? FM:LA p. 77
6th LG nickname did not come into use until 1st SW HSSB p. 51
10th LG The Revenants formed ? p.78
10th LG nickname given as Thundering Elephants HSSB P. 51
11th LG fought in 1st SW-2791 commanded by Richard Steiner future Archon HSSBp.49
13th LG - fought in 1st SW HSSb p. 49
14th LG Fearsome Fourteenth formed ? p. 79 FM:LA
14th LG - Nickname comes from when unit was painted black red & gray for battle on baxter HSSB p. 51
15th LG Death or Glory Boys formed ? FM:LA p. 80
19th LG formed ? fought in 2nd SW, nickname dates to 2nd SW HSSB p. 54
24th LG Slashers formed ? FM:LA p. 81
24th LG Nickname dates to 2nd SW
26th LG Steiner’s Boots formed ? FM:LA p. 82
30th LG formed?  Includes elements of 2nd LG HSSB
32nd LG Red Arrows Formed ? F:LA p. 83
36th LG  Air Surfers nicknamed acquired 3012 formed? FM:LA p. 84
54th LG formed around 2814 HSSB p. 50

Lyran Regulars
prior to Exodus ad-hoc brigade of armor, mech and infantry regiments,. During the regency/coup Regulars became a permanent organization- bolstered with mercs, SLDF
Vets and RWR soldiers FM:LA p.85
1st LR -The boomers - former mercs that joined the LC in exchange for titles & Land HSSB p. 75
3rd LR Bee Squishers formed ? FM:LA p. 86
3rd LR Nickname is probably from the SW era HSSB p. 75
4th LR Tropic Lightning formed ? FM:LA p. 87
5th LR Ferris Wolverines formed ? FM:LA p. 88
5th LR former Mercs forced into LCAF by C* after a contract dispute HSSB p. 75
6th LR Mad Hatters HSSB p. 75 NOTE not listed on deployment chart in HSSB
7th LR Fighting Seventh formed early 1st SW FM:LA p. 89
7th LR nickname given as New Delhi Lancers HSSB p. 75
8th LR Mad Hatters - formed from POWs and dispossed MWs after the Exodus, raided SLDF depot on stewart for equipment. FM:LA p. 90
8th LR NOTE: Not listed in HSSB list of regimental Nicknames but is listed on deployment chart
9th LR Karilon Magicians - formed 1sw by RWR mechwarrior brotherhood that opposed amaris and join Kerensky. FM:LA p. 91
10th LR Stingbarflies formed ? FM:LA p. 92
11th LR Hammers formed ? FM:LA p. 93
12th LR - 2742 engaged & destroyed bandits on Butte Hold HSSB p. 36
12th LR fought FWL on Bella 1 in 2813 HSSB p. 50
14th LR fought FWL on Bella 1 in 2813 HSSB p. 50
15th LR Bully Boys formed ? FM:LA p  94
23rd LR formed in 2859 HSSB p. 62
54th LR - CONTRADICTION HBHS list Grimm as commanding the 54th LR not the 65th LR HBHS p. 41
65th LR fought in 2nd SW, commanded by Hendrik Grimm formed ? HSS p. 56

Royal Guards
most prestigous unit in the LC.  FM:LA P.95
1st RG - Pride of Donegal FM:LA P. 96
2nd RG Pride of Skye FM:LA P.97
3rd RG Pride of Tamar FM:LA P. 98
4th RG Pride of the Lyran Commonwealth FM:LA p. 95
4th RG fought in the Reunification war under the direct command of Archon Viola Steiner-Dinesen HSSB p. 32

Skye Rangers
Originally part of Federation of Skye Military FM:LA p. 99
3rd SR lost 2890s? defending Freedom HSSB p. 67
4th SR formed ? FM:LA P. 100
4th SR nicknamed Albion after the first freighter owned by Ian McQuiston HSSB p. 61
10th SR - Black Watch HSSB p. 61
10th SR - contradiction -regiment permantly disbanded after 6th, 7th & 8th battles of Hesperus II due to heavy losses- solution make this the 11th SR HSSB p. 62
17th SR formed ? FM:LA p. 101
17th SR -nickname dates to houshold troop agreement of 2883 HSSB p. 61
22nd SR formed ? FM:LA P. 102
22nd SR - as of 3025 had not seen action - may be a newer unit HSSB p; 61
25th Skye Rangers - fought in the RW HSSB p. 33
25th Skye Rangers - involved in Viola Steiners ‘Day of Rage” during RW HBHS p. 28

Tamar Tigers
House troops of Duke of Tamar - fought in RW HSSB p. 33
Originally 1st Tamar Hussars, received mechs in 2465, well trained & equipped. Never  had any heavy mechs due to LC laws. Expert in swift & Mobile warfare.  Flamboyant & Daring characters both in & out of battle   HSSB p. 45
Graham Kelswa duke of Carse commanded Tamar Tigers in 2791 HSSB p. 49
 involved in Viola Steiners ‘Day of Rage” during RW HBHS p. 28
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2010, 07:41:33 AM »
From Merc Guild
9th Arcturan Guard fought on Sudeten in 2780s p. 223
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2010, 07:41:58 AM »
Takiro:
Wow, poor Lyrans got no love what so ever. Well here are some initial thoughts and I think there is a UNR article on the subject.

Lyran Commonwealth Armed Forces
122 BattleMech Regiments (as of 2785)
   The LCAF seems low because of their industry and wealth but remember they could have been hit hard by defections to the SLDF and causalities from their war with the Rim Republic.

LCAF Unprepared?!
Tamar (Tamar Broadcasting)
September 1, 2785

In a speech yesterday General Thomas Kearny, Margrave of the Tamar Theater declared the “LCAF is unprepared for war”.  The General cited numerous problems facing the LCAF and called on the Archon to institute immediate reforms.  Speaking in front of a meeting of the local LCAF Veterans Association, his remarks were met with cheers from the crowd.

Margrave Kearny is an outspoken critic of LCAF high command and General of the Armies Paul Steiner, commander of the LCAF.  In his speech Margrave Kearny called on the Archon to improve planetary security.  According to the Margrave, LCAF security protocols are insufficient to safeguard the Lyran border from raiders and invaders.  The Margrave called for increasing the number of border patrols and instituting new policies which would challenge any vessels entering Lyran space.  The Margrave has also called on the General of the Armies to improve the deep-space radars and early warning systems on border worlds.  According to data provided by the Margrave, LCAF early warning systems failed to detect incoming vessels 50% of the time.  When asked to comment on this data, Admiral Melanie Hangzu, commander of the Tamar Theater fleet, refused to confirm or deny the Margrave’s allegations citing national security considerations.

The Margrave also cited concerns about the composition of the LCAF.  A former commander of the Tamar Tigers, Margrave Kearny is considered one of the Commonwealth’s leading light mech tacticians.  Margrave Kearny has called on the LCAF to create several more regiments of light forces to provide the top heavy LCAF with a more mobile strike force.  This view is diametrically opposite to that of the LCAF high command.  These views have caused significant trouble for the Margrave throughout his career, it is only the patronage of Duke Kelswa, ruler of the Tamar Pact, which have kept the Margrave from being cashiered by the LCAF.

When asked to comment on the Margrave’s speech, Colonel Hampton Von Drake of the 8th Lyran Guards had this to say.  “Margrave Kearny is entitled to his views, but that does not make them right.  As everyone knows the LCAF is equipped with the largest, finest and most powerful tanks in the Inner Sphere.  We have nothing to fear from the lesser forces of the Draconis Combine or Free Worlds League.”


Hmm, I geuss not. At least I can't find it anyway. Let me see what else I can find.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2010, 07:42:25 AM »
Ice Hellion:
The LCAF is probably top heavy.
I do not think their units would be assigned directly to the borders.
They would be in the rear in reserve (for counter strikes or massive attacks) or protecting key worlds.

The defence of the planets would fall upon the shoulders of the local militias with support 'Mechs and tanks.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2010, 07:42:51 AM »
Takiro:
Actually they would be deployed to the borders Ice. One, occupation of the RWR must take some of the LCAF strength and place it along the Periphery border. Two, responding to bandit radits on Bone Norman the LCAF has shifted strength to Tamar Pact and away from Skye. Three, the attack on Bolan has at least three regiments tied down there with mop up operations and from that I must assume they have place extra forces along the FWL border on defense.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2010, 07:43:20 AM »
CJvR:
Quote from: Takiro on July 05, 2009, 02:55:19 PM
Lyran Commonwealth Armed Forces
122 BattleMech Regiments (as of 2785)
The LCAF seems low because of their industry and wealth but remember they could have been hit hard by defections to the SLDF and causalities from their war with the Rim Republic.
Even if the LCAF have fewer regiments than the FS and DCMS it was top heavy and a shift of 5 tons / mech in each regiment ends up with about 66000 tons more BM tonnage, about 12 regiments worth of 50 ton medium machinery. Being rather top heavy the LCAF would be more sensitive to defections since it would have a smaller manpower pool to draw on.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2010, 07:43:41 AM »
Takiro:
Quite right CJvR, they might not have numbers but they do have a heavier force then any House.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2010, 07:44:08 AM »
FirstStarLord:

I feel the reason the Lyrans had a smaller force was because they were less militaristic then the other nations of the Inner Sphere. They believed in the Star League more then any other nation besides the Hegemony itself, and there was probably some resistance to using their huge industrial base for a military build-up when many businesses thought that peace would somehow prevail.

Even the LCAF itself would not have been too keen on enlarging and reorganizing its forces under Robert Steiner. The generals did not trust Robert, since he would have used the expansion as an excuse to give promotions to his cronies and drive out the professionals. Plus he ordered them into an unpopular war with the defenceless Rim Worlds Republic while the Terren Hegemony was burning. Jennifer Steiner may have more support for military refrom, but its hard to undo decades of malign neglect in only four years.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2010, 07:44:37 AM »
Rainbow 6:
If i'm remembering correctly the LCAF has 30 regiments deployed bringing former RWR worlds into the Commonwealth and 3 on Bolan, plus whatever has been moved to Bonne Norman, that already accounts for over 1/4 of the LCAF's strength.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2010, 07:45:04 AM »
Takiro:

Good thoughts guys. Here is more to chew on plus a mathematical guess on the size of Lyran Guard at this time, see if you like it. The Succession War game provides plenty of new units for us to use interestingly enough.

FASA 1612 - Succession Wars
Order of Battle: 2786
   Unit Name   Unit Strength
1   Lyran Guard       8
2    Lyran Guard       5
3    Lyran Guard       4
4    Lyran Regulars    5
5    Lyran Regulars    4
6    Lyran Regulars    3
7    Lyran Regulars    3
8    Skye Rangers       9
9    Skye Rangers       4
10    Royal Guards       5
11    Royal Guards       4
12    Donegal Guards    5
13    Donegal Guards    5
14    Donegal Guards    4
15    Arcturan Guard   6
16   Arcturan Guard   5
17   Arcturan Guard   4
18   Hesperus Guards   3
19   Hesperus Guards   2
20   York Regulars      3
21   York Regulars      2
22   Odessa Regulars   2
23   Odessa Regulars   2
24   Sakhalin Regulars   2
25   Sakhalin Regulars   2


SLDF Unit Elements (SLSB)
63rd Mechanized Infantry Division
101st Mechanized Infantry Division
68th Infantry Division (The Thai Militia)
368th BattleMech Division (The Apache Division)
18th Infantry Division
Loyalist Regiments (did any return??)


12 Lyran Guard regiments? From the example provided by the Donegal Guard were 20 out of 100 regiments were BattleMech equipped, equals 1/5. You take the height of 60 regiments blurb from the Lyran Guard write up and you get 12 Mech regiments. Does that make sense?? 60 Mech regiments sounds a little bit much to believe in a single contingent.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2010, 07:45:36 AM »
rainbow 6:

Humm so the LCAF have regiments based on Odessa and still missed the construction of Gabriel!
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2010, 07:46:01 AM »
Takiro:

LOL, but at least you'd probably guess them and the Hesperus Guards as former SLDF contingents. Both locales being home to major SL installations.

No idea what the Sakhalin and York Regulars would be? Perhaps the same or Loyalist regiments returning home??

There is also the Donegal Regulars in the box set as well but they don't appear on the 2786 chart.

And what of Tamar's forces? Only 1 regiment of light Mechs??
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2010, 07:46:26 AM »
Really not sure about the Hesperus, Odessa, York or Sakhallin forces, even if they do appear in the SW game.

Donegal Guards-
If you look in FM:LA there are about 50 non mech units int he Donegal Guards that use the name Donegal- a few do duplicate numbers used by the mech regiments.

The Lyran Guard have 41 non mech regiments that use the name Lyran. On the other hand the LG were formed shortly after the formation of the LC as an elite force composed of the best and brighest of the LC.  Interesting the line in FM:LA is:
At their most powerful, the Lyran Guards numbered almost 60 regiments, but today only 10 remain. (p. 74)  As the 10 represent the existing mech regiments I would be inclined to say the 60 is also referring to mech regiments.

When you look at the numbers for the other formations having about 60 Lyran Guards would work and we would not need to make up many formations-
say 55 Lyran Guards, 20 Donegal Guards, 4 Royal Guards, 15 Skye Rangers, 20 Arcturan Guard and 8 Lyran Regulars give us 122 mech regiments.

Also interesting to note - in the 2341 map of the LC Arcturus is in the Tamar Pact- it becomes a Donegal worlds some time before the Reunification War- maybe the Arcturan Guard was the Tamar contribution (but then they at first only recruited from Arcuturus so what about soldiers from other worlds in the Tamar pact who wanted to join the LC- did that have to join the Lyran Guard?)
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2010, 07:46:52 AM »
Takiro:
A sixty BattleMech regiment contingent! Shocked That blows away the other Houses by far for single largest group making them almost unweildly as a command. It would account for nearly half of their BattleMech strength. And finally it doesn't make full sense by the numbers. The 54th Lyran Guards "Hempsted's Greyhounds" were formed in 2818 (within a year or two) and they are the highest numbered unit I'm aware of. I'd say no more than 30 of their regiments were Mech and that is still massive!

As a general observation of the Lyran military numerical system, its all over the place! The LCAF regularly skips over numbers. They don't seem to rebuild destroyed commands. Added a number of commands perhaps the most during the 1st Succession War again in a nod to starting new rather than rebuilding.

And now to tackle another issue the Lyran Regulars?? How many of them existed when the war starts? I know I planned on adding the 5th later, see the Ferris Wolverines in Fanbook 3 - Mercenary Guild. Does that mean 4 regiments? They are referred to as a hodgepodge? Hell we go all the way out to the 65th Lyran Regulars of Grimm who defect in 2855. Doubt they are around but damned if this ain't a canon mess!

Would any RWR troops join the Lyran military? Could this be the foundation of the Lyran Regulars who are looked at as mercenaries by the High Command?

For the Arcturan Guard it seems as though a quarter of their personnel come from Arcturus for centuries but I can see where you are going the command could be closely linked to Tamar. Not a bad call.

Is there only one Tamar Hussars?

Made a mistake myself on the 4 Royal Guards seemingly being set in stone. The bigmac pointed out correctly that "the 5th Royal Guards are mentioned on page 87 of the original House Steiner SB".

So only the 20 Donegal Guards are set

Quote from: lrose on July 05, 2009, 11:12:12 PM
Really not sure about the Hesperus, Odessa, York or Sakhallin forces, even if they do appear in the SW game.

I don't put credence in these forces as canon units per say but like to include them out of an homage to the game. The cool thing about every one of these units except the Hesperus Guards is they could be folded into the Lyran Regulars as individual units.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2010, 07:47:18 AM »
Quote from: Takiro on July 05, 2009, 11:46:39 PM
A sixty BattleMech regiment contingent! Shocked That blows away the other Houses by far for single largest group making them almost unweildly as a command. It would account for nearly half of their BattleMech strength. And finally it doesn't make full sense by the numbers. The 54th Lyran Guards "Hempsted's Greyhounds" were formed in 2818 (within a year or two) and they are the highest numbered unit I'm aware of. I'd say no more than 30 of their regiments were Mech and that is still massive!

Well it said almost 60 which is why I put down 55.  And as you note- LCAF number is very random.  I will still argue that the way the entry is written it refers to mech regiments only...

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And now to tackle another issue the Lyran Regulars?? How many of them existed when the war starts? I know I planned on adding the 5th later, see the Ferris Wolverines in Fanbook 3 - Mercenary Guild. Does that mean 4 regiments? They are referred to as a hodgepodge? Hell we go all the way out to the 65th Lyran Regulars of Grimm who defect in 2855. Doubt they are around but damned if this ain't a canon mess!

Per FM:LA- they were an Ad-Hoc formation until the Regency/Coup years.
This organization is a nightmare to figure out-
The 1st was former mercs who joined the LCAF in exchange for titles & land.
The 5th was mercs forced to join the LCAF by C*
The 8th was formed right around the start of the 1st SW by dispossed mechwarriors & pows who raided a SL depot on Stewart after the exodus.
The 9th formed during the 1st SW from RWR brotherhood that opposed Amaris & joined Kerensky (there's you're former RWR members)
The 12th fought on Butte Hold in 2742

I would put the Regulars at 8-10 regiments, pick what ever random numbers you like and just run with it.

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Is there only one Tamar Hussars?

As far as we know- they became the Tamar Tigers.

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Made a mistake myself on the 4 Royal Guards seemingly being set in stone. The bigmac pointed out correctly that "the 5th Royal Guards are mentioned on page 87 of the original House Steiner SB".

I'd attribute then note on page 87 to some one fat finger the 5 instead of the 4.  The 4 makes so much sense -Pride of Donegal, Pride of Skye, Pride of Tamar, Pride of the Commonwealth

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I don't put credence in these forces as canon units per say but like to include them out of an homage to the game. The cool thing about every one of these units except the Hesperus Guards is they could be folded into the Lyran Regulars as individual units.

I guess they would work as part of the Regulars.
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