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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #105 on: February 03, 2010, 08:59:20 AM »
Ice Hellion

What exactly would be the difference between both?
- Assignments? Rather unlikely unless you want to make the Freikorps, the most glamorous one.
- Equipment and men? This is something interesting and examples can be found in real life and CBT. But then, the High Command would prefer to use the Huscarls (the best units) for its main operations.
- Use? Freikorps being floating units used as wildcards?
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #106 on: February 03, 2010, 08:59:49 AM »
Takiro

The Guards are the "elite" of the Lyran military embodying the traditional methods of the LCAF, stressing defense, the large equipment, the whole Lyran mindset. The Free Corps are everybody else basically, often looked down on by the establishment for one reason or another. Essentially you are right calling them the wildcards although I see the Skye Rangers and Tamar Hussars being deployed within their respective territory. However the same is true for the Donegal Guards but most other Guard regiments have a national reach like the Lyran Regulars - who are in the Freikorps. So deployment isn't a constant.

How is this for Boot Camps?

   Boot Camps
The hard way of earning a place in the upper echelon of the Lyran military is through the numerous Boot Camps that dot the Commonwealth. The LCAF maintains scores of these fairly generic training grounds throughout its territory in order to provide basic training to its citizenry. For ten weeks these camps instruct those electing to under go such national service in the basics of military life. Discipline, fitness, field craft, weapons skill, and survival are all taught here. Many serve out their time in their respective planetary militia but a few are selected for advanced training. Instructors carefully evaluate each class searching for those who excel in these martial exercises. Earning such a place isn’t easy or even possible for most but a special few go on to higher assignments within the LCAF.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #107 on: February 03, 2010, 09:00:17 AM »
Quote from: Takiro on August 30, 2009, 09:57:15 PM
Okay guys three things left for the LCAF. One is the Lyran Guards which I'm working on currently. Two is a write up on Boot Camps. The third is something I'd like to run by you all. It concerns the division of the LCAF into two different formations. The Huscarls (House Guards) and the Freikorps (Free Corps).

The Huscarls are the epitome of the Commonwealth defense and contain more than three quarters of the LCAF. Royal Guards (4 regiments), Lyran Guard (50 regiments), Arcturan Guards (20 regiments), and Donegal Guards (20 regiments) are all part of this defensive mindset which pervades the Commonwealth (94 regiments in all).

The rest of the Lyran military is made up of the Freikorps which is looked at as a hodgepodge of volunteer units. The Lyran Regulars (12 regiments), Skye Rangers (15 regiments), and Tamar Hussars (1 regiment) make up less then a quarter of the LCAF (28 regiments in all).

Thoughts?

I don't see any real reason to have them organized this way.  In truth I don't think the LCAF looks at their forces as defensive in nature- yes they are heavy and slow, but that is because the LCAF values assault mechs rather the lighter forces, not because the LCAF is defensive in nature.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #108 on: February 03, 2010, 09:00:36 AM »
Ice Hellion

That was my problem: the emphasis on defence.

And Irose is partly right: the LCAF is not defensive in nature.

However, what would be their doctrine?
Offensive strategically and defensive tactically, i.e. "let's put our big 'Mechs were it matters and let them come to you", aka fire kills?
Defensive strategically and tactically, i.e. "let's not wage war as it is bad for business and when we have a fight, let them come after us as we have the armour and the firepower to make them pay for their folly"?
Defensive strategically and offensive tactically, i.e. "we do not wage war (see above) but if they attack us, we will go after them as soon as we can and crush them under our heavy feet"?
Offensive strategically and tactically, i.e. "the best defence is offence and we can hold on for longer periods of time"?
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #109 on: February 03, 2010, 09:00:58 AM »
takiro

I was speaking generally but perhaps you are right. It was my intention to divide the LCAF into two seperate parts. The Guards and everybody else. The Guards are the units that are the "elite" of the Commonwealth military while the others are questionable in some way or another. The Regulars as constructed are a "dark" unit operating in the shadows while the others are regional powers of differing loyalty.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #110 on: February 03, 2010, 09:01:17 AM »
Rainbow 6

Quote from: Ice Hellion on September 02, 2009, 07:34:57 PM
That was my problem: the emphasis on defence.

And Irose is partly right: the LCAF is not defensive in nature.

However, what would be their doctrine?
Offensive strategically and defensive tactically, i.e. "let's put our big 'Mechs were it matters and let them come to you", aka fire kills?
Defensive strategically and tactically, i.e. "let's not wage war as it is bad for business and when we have a fight, let them come after us as we have the armour and the firepower to make them pay for their folly"?
Defensive strategically and offensive tactically, i.e. "we do not wage war (see above) but if they attack us, we will go after them as soon as we can and crush them under our heavy feet"?
Offensive strategically and tactically, i.e. "the best defence is offence and we can hold on for longer periods of time"?

I'd say the LCAF's default setting is option 3.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #111 on: February 03, 2010, 09:01:45 AM »
Quote from: Takiro on September 02, 2009, 08:19:28 PM
It was my intention to divide the LCAF into two seperate parts. The Guards and everybody else. The Guards are the units that are the "elite" of the Commonwealth military while the others are questionable in some way or another. The Regulars as constructed are a "dark" unit operating in the shadows while the others are regional powers of differing loyalty.


Then do it on a formation by formation basis- the Lyran Guard are "elite" and they get the best stuff (equipment, assignments, etc), the Lyran Regulars are a bunch of upstarts who get treated worse.  There is a basis for this in the original HSSB (or maybe mechwarrior 1e?)- I'm not at my book to look it up but basically it was along the lines that the Regulars are looked down upon by the LCAF because of their predigree (or lack there of).

I have absolutely no issue with the Lyran Guard, Royal Guard, Donegal Guard and Arcturus Guard getting preferential treatment and the Skye Rangers and Lyran Regulars being treated as second class citizens.  The Tamar Tigers/Hussars are a special case as they are not line troops but rather the household troops of the Duke of Tamar.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #112 on: February 03, 2010, 09:02:03 AM »
Takiro

Another issue of the divide I keep thinking of but forgetting to type here is oaths. I had envisioned the House Guards swearing allegiance to the Steiners as the Royal Line of the Lyran Commonwealth while the Free Corps upheld different fealty i.e. the nation and not the Steiners. The way the Lyran Regulars operate you'd want to be able to say "well they aren't acting on the Archon's orders". Plausible deniablity. While the other units are more regional creatures who are no less loyal to the Commonwealth but not so much the Steiners, more their homes. I'm trying to explain their motivations for service here.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #113 on: February 03, 2010, 09:02:21 AM »
Quote from: Takiro on September 03, 2009, 01:54:20 AM
Another issue of the divide I keep thinking of but forgetting to type here is oaths. I had envisioned the House Guards swearing allegiance to the Steiners as the Royal Line of the Lyran Commonwealth while the Free Corps upheld different fealty i.e. the nation and not the Steiners. The way the Lyran Regulars operate you'd want to be able to say "well they aren't acting on the Archon's orders". Plausible deniablity. While the other units are more regional creatures who are no less loyal to the Commonwealth but not so much the Steiners, more their homes. I'm trying to explain their motivations for service here.

I really don't like this- besides in FM:LA most of the Guards formations are said to be loyal to the state first, the Steiners second.

The distinctions are that Lyran Regulars during the 1st SW are seen as mercs/disposable troops (per FM:LA) and assigned hopeless missions, while the Guard formations are held back to conserve resources/capability.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #114 on: February 03, 2010, 09:02:51 AM »
Rainbow 6

Don't forget that in 2785 even the Skye Rangers are seen as a loyal element of the LCAF.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #115 on: February 03, 2010, 09:03:17 AM »
Ice Hellion

Quote from: lrose on September 03, 2009, 02:53:35 AM
The distinctions are that Lyran Regulars during the 1st SW are seen as mercs/disposable troops (per FM:LA) and assigned hopeless missions, while the Guard formations are held back to conserve resources/capability.

At least two of their regiments were formed from mercenary units  (House Steiner Sourcebook).
According to Field Manual: Lyran Alliance, they were formed from a mix of mercenaries, SLDF veterans and former Rim Worlds Republic soldiers.

Quote from: lrose on September 03, 2009, 02:53:35 AM
I really don't like this- besides in FM:LA most of the Guards formations are said to be loyal to the state first, the Steiners second.

You can find in this book that the Lyran Guards were formed because the other units maintained their ties to their home province and the Archon felt the Lyran Commonwealth needed units loyal to the State.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #116 on: February 03, 2010, 09:03:33 AM »
Takiro

Okay gang, I'll drop the whole House Guards and Free Corps division then. Cry Just got to assemble the Lyran Guard overview and the LCAF is done.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #117 on: February 03, 2010, 09:04:01 AM »
ice Hellion

I hate seeing you cry  Grin

What about splitting the LCAF in three?
Provinzkorps, Freikorps and Huskarls?

I guess the split would be quite obvious.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #118 on: February 03, 2010, 09:04:26 AM »
Takiro

I think we will just leave it Ice. You have only seven contingents and the Lyran Guards are almost a power onto themselves. Thanks for you condolences! Tongue I should finish up the Lyran Guard this long weekend.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #119 on: February 03, 2010, 09:04:43 AM »
Ice Hellion

Quote from: Takiro on September 04, 2009, 09:41:37 PM
I think we will just leave it Ice. You have only seven contingents and the Lyran Guards are almost a power onto themselves. Thanks for you condolences! Tongue I should finish up the Lyran Guard this long weekend.

Call me stubborn but here is my proposal:

- Provinzkorp: Arcturan Guards, Donegal Guards, Skye Rangers (a total of 70 regiments according to page 2)
Those units have a provincial recruitment and are usually defending their home provinces but can be used anywhere according to the needs of the LCAF.
- Freikorps: Lyran Regulars, Tamar Hussars, Mercenaries (11 Lyran regiments and the mercenary units).
Those units are the wildcards or the dump deposit of the LCAF.
- Huskarls: Royal Guards, Lyran Guards (57 regiments)
Those units are recruited nationwide and select the best of the best.
They are the Lyran Commonwealth showroom and a guarantee in case of rebellion.
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