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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2010, 07:47:48 AM »
Takiro:

Quote from: lrose on July 06, 2009, 01:39:11 AM
Well it said almost 60 which is why I put down 55.  And as you note- LCAF number is very random.  I will still argue that the way the entry is written it refers to mech regiments only...

I just don't know, as there would have to be a number higher than 54 and I've never seen it. How about we check out TRO 3075 or the newer canon and see if there is something. Also I'd like to get other input.

Quote from: lrose on July 06, 2009, 01:39:11 AM
Per FM:LA- they were an Ad-Hoc formation until the Regency/Coup years.
This organization is a nightmare to figure out-
The 1st was former mercs who joined the LCAF in exchange for titles & land.
The 5th was mercs forced to join the LCAF by C*
The 8th was formed right around the start of the 1st SW by dispossed mechwarriors & pows who raided a SL depot on Stewart after the exodus.
The 9th formed during the 1st SW from RWR brotherhood that opposed Amaris & joined Kerensky (there's you're former RWR members)
The 12th fought on Butte Hold in 2742

I would put the Regulars at 8-10 regiments, pick what ever random numbers you like and just run with it.

The 12th is interesting as there is another unit mentioned on Bella I at this time.

Quote from: lrose on July 06, 2009, 01:39:11 AM
I'd attribute then note on page 87 to some one fat finger the 5 instead of the 4.  The 4 makes so much sense -Pride of Donegal, Pride of Skye, Pride of Tamar, Pride of the Commonwealth

The 5th could be aptly named the Pride of the Archon as they apparently are the Guardians of the Royal Palace. How about we check if this was retconned in HBHS? It may mention the event again as it was significant.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2010, 07:48:09 AM »
Ice Hellion

What about making some reserve forces (like the Prussian militia of late 19th Century), allowing the strength of the LCAF to be quickly increased when needed thanks to the heavy industrial might of the Lyran Commonwealth (which allows them to stockpile 'Mechs and tanks when in peace)?

This would allow the "I believe in the Star League" credo with the "I do not trust Robert Steiner because he just wants to give titles to his friends" and the capacity to mobilize against the Rim Worlds Republic.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2010, 07:48:31 AM »
Rainbow 6

On the Arcturan Guards issue i think it says in FM:LA that only a quarter of the personel in each regiment need to be from Arcturus. This could mean that the rest could come from the rest of the Tamar Pact if you want to make them the pacts military?

Oh and i like the idea of 55 regiments of Lyran Guards, it seems to fit with the whole big is better LCAF mentallity.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2010, 07:48:50 AM »
Quote from: Rainbow 6 on July 06, 2009, 06:55:23 PM
On the Arcturan Guards issue i think it says in FM:LA that only a quarter of the personel in each regiment need to be from Arcturus. This could mean that the rest could come from the rest of the Tamar Pact if you want to make them the pacts military?

HBHS p. 107-108 -the Arcturan Guard were originally only open to people from Arcturus. Later it opened up to people from other worlds.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2010, 07:49:19 AM »
Rainbow 6

Quote from: lrose on July 06, 2009, 08:18:35 PM
HBHS p. 107-108 -the Arcturan Guard were originally only open to people from Arcturus. Later it opened up to people from other worlds.

Does it say when this was?

I assume its when the capital moves to Tharkad and a large part of Arcturus' population moved off world.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2010, 07:49:38 AM »
Quote from: Rainbow 6 on July 06, 2009, 09:25:57 PM
Does it say when this was?

I assume its when the capital moves to Tharkad and a large part of Arcturus' population moved off world.

Probably but no specific date is given.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2010, 07:50:04 AM »
Takiro

Ok how about we come back to the Guard last. We shall deal with the other formations first and that will show us how big they need to be. I certainly do not think they have even 50 regiments but I will slap myself and work to this. How is that??
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #22 on: February 03, 2010, 07:50:28 AM »
Takiro

Man it is tough to get a read on the LCAF. Do you guys think there could have been more than 1 Tamar Hussars? Sorry just really having a tough time with Steiner. They seem to have few contingents (7 in all - Arcturan Guards, Donegal Guards, Lyran Guard, Lyran Regulars, Royal Guards, Skye Rangers, Tamar Hussars) as well. Why is that I will get the numbers from other Houses. Any training formations??
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #23 on: February 03, 2010, 07:50:49 AM »
Rainbow 6

Quote from: Takiro on July 09, 2009, 04:43:57 PM
Man it is tough to get a read on the LCAF. Do you guys think there could have been more than 1 Tamar Hussars? Sorry just really having a tough time with Steiner. They seem to have few contingents (7 in all - Arcturan Guards, Donegal Guards, Lyran Guard, Lyran Regulars, Royal Guards, Skye Rangers, Tamar Hussars) as well. Why is that I will get the numbers from other Houses. Any training formations??

On the size of the Lyran Gurads, as Top put it on Asgard last night, if you are a Lyran MechWarrior would you rather be in a Guards Regiment or a Regulars Regiment?

The LCAF has never used cadre formations.

I've never seen anything that says that the Tamar Hussars had more than 1 regiment but i can't see the Tamar Pact having a standing regional army that is that small.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #24 on: February 03, 2010, 07:51:12 AM »
Ice Hellion

I think you could have lots of Guards units, making them at the same time a good place to put Social Generals and a good way to keep local powers happy.
But do not forget to move most of the Guards away from their own Provinces, just in case.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #25 on: February 03, 2010, 07:51:34 AM »
Takiro

I did some work up on numbers, we are aiming for 122 regiments.

Arcturan Guards (25 regiments at most)
Donegal Guards (20 regiments)
Lyran Guard (53 regiments at most)
Lyran Regulars (10 regiments at most?)
Royal Guards (4-5 regiments)
Skye Rangers (25 regiments at most)
Tamar Hussars (1 regiments maybe more)

With those possibilities you come up with 138-139. So we got room to wiggle down.

Lyran Guard has the most room for downsizing but I think the Arcturan Guards and Skye Rangers could be smaller. Perhaps for them we could use the Donegal Guards as a base line. Would each have more or less then them? Explain why.

Only Donegal Guards are fixed at 20 regiments and the Royal Guards issue is to 5th or not to 5th.

The Lyran Regulars and Tamar Hussars are candidates for slight increases.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #26 on: February 03, 2010, 07:51:58 AM »
Ice Hellion

Tamar should be kept low in numbers (unless you find somewhere something saying that the Duke of Tamar are so rich they can afford to equip several 'Mechs units with their own money).

I think that the Arcturan, Donegal Guards and Skye Rangers should be equal in numbers (just to avoid political troubles).
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #27 on: February 03, 2010, 07:52:24 AM »
Rainbow 6

Only 4 Regiments for the Royal Guard in my opinion.

10 regiments at the start of the SW sounds about right for the Lyran Regulars as (and i'm going off memory here), a large number of the regiments formed after the fall of the Star League.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #28 on: February 03, 2010, 07:52:51 AM »
Tamar Tigers/Hussars- I have never seen any mention of a unit other then the 1st.  The unit is said to have been the pride & joy of the "various Dukes of Tamar"  and that they were "first of their private troops to receive mechs in 2465" -That could mean there were other units that latter received mechs.  But I think I would prefer keeping the Tigers/Hussars as a single mech regiment and other other units in the formation as conventional troops.

I think 25 regiments is way too many for the Skye Rangers- I would go more like 10. The Skye Rangers were the original army of the Federation of Skye, but with the formation of the LC, I think the archons would prefer to focus units like the Guards which are loyal to the LC and the not the Rangers who may have regional loyalties.

I would keep the Royal Guard at 4 regiments.

I have no issue with large numbers of Arcturan Guard regiments- somewhere around the size of the Donegal Guards.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #29 on: February 03, 2010, 07:53:20 AM »
FirstStarLord

Definitely keep the Royal Guards at four regiments. The 5th may have been mentioned in canon but it really has no other references to back it up and in fact contridicts everything we otherwise know about the Royal Guards.

Tamar always seems to have been the poor relation of the three states of the Commonwealth. While it may seem strange that they only field one regiment, it may simply because the Steiners have worked hard to keep the Pact's homegrown battlemech forces small so that they could keep firmer control of it. Remember that among the fouding states, Donegal was a major trading power, Skye had the industry, and Tamar was known for its military power and agriculture. Donegal won the battle for political dominance, but in the beginning Tamar had the potential to upset that control far more so then Skye. Recruiting Pact citizens into the regular LCAF regiments (like the Lyran Guard) while running down Tamar's own military would have given the Steiners two advantages. First, the Lyran Guard benefits from having a large number of martially inclined soldiers in their ranks. Second, the LCAF can oversee these potentially troublesome soldiers directly and mold them into loyal Lyrans.

Maybe we can even explain why the Lyran Guard is so large by expanding on this idea. Perhaps a number of Lyran Gaurd regiments are former Tamar Pact regiments absorbed into the Guard on the pretext of their excellent performance fighting against the Combine. They could then be flooded with recruits from other provinces and molded into politically reliable units. It would explain things rather nicely.
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